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I had been speculating for some time that the aura surrounding Ryu's fist during his Shin Shoryu was SnH and from the look of Akuma's fist in the teaser trailer they're a mirror of each other.


 
 
 

This is it, and it is because Ryu won't succumb to the SnH in the way Akuma wants he's decided to play Ryu's game and start to take inspiration from him. The thing is when it comes to the Shoryu in canon it was the second most effective move in Ansatusken right below the SGS. Goutetsu didn't ban the move, but Gouken did for himself yet he did teach it to his students as their most potent attack. In canon, the SRK is supposed to be a last resort move which is why both Ryu and Ken have some variant of it as their SA3 & CA .
 
I understand from the canon of SRK that it by design is meant to kill in one hit.
The SRK was already scientifically proven to have the potential to knock a person's head clean off their shoulders.
 
What is Akuma doing to the statue in SF6 that he's practicing his Shoryu on?

 
It's a blatant killing move yet Gouken and Ryu have made the attack just as effective without the destruction and killing through the technique. 
How is the technique performed?
Look at the obvious difference between a Tiger Uppercut and SRK. 
 
From the initial description of an SRK you would think a style like Muay Thai would benefit from an extra knee strike within the said technique. 
Although, Sagat has always performed Tiger Uppercut without a launching knee like the Shoryu.

 
Possibly because even Sagat knew that adding such impact without good judgment would probably end in disaster.
 
The Shin Shoryu in SF6 displays that Ryu launches his opponent with his knee during the final hit and that his fist only initially connects with the jaw and gut of his opponent. It doesn't launch the opponent through his jaw like a typical SRK would be designed to do. The launching action is directed toward the opponent's full body through a knee to the stomach in hopes of a clean KO.
 
This is in direct contrast to Kage just a game prior in SF5 who would launch a knee in conjunction with his fist connected directly to his opponent's jaw during his Metsu Shoryu. This would probably add more impact to the devastating nature of the SRK in rending a person's head from their neck.
 

This is it, and it is because Ryu won't succumb to the SnH in the way Akuma wants he's decided to play Ryu's game and start to take inspiration from him. The thing is when it comes to the Shoryu in canon it was the second most effective move in Ansatusken right below the SGS. Goutetsu didn't ban the move, but Gouken did for himself yet he did teach it to his students as their most potent attack. In canon, the SRK is supposed to be a last resort move which is why both Ryu and Ken have some variant of it as their SA3 & CA .
 
I understand from the canon of SRK that it by design is meant to kill in one hit.
The SRK was already scientifically proven to have the potential to knock a person's head clean off their shoulders.
 
What is Akuma doing to the statue in SF6 that he's practicing his Shoryu on?

 
It's a blatant killing move yet Gouken and Ryu have made the attack just as effective without the destruction and killing through the technique. 
How is the technique performed?
Look at the obvious difference between a Tiger Uppercut and SRK. 
 
From the initial description of an SRK you would think a style like Muay Thai would benefit from an extra knee strike within the said technique. 
Although, Sagat has always performed Tiger Uppercut without a launching knee like the Shoryu.

 
Possibly because even Sagat knew that adding such impact without good judgment would probably end in disaster.
 
The Shin Shoryu in SF6 displays that Ryu launches his opponent with his knee during the final hit and that his fist only initially connects with the jaw and gut of his opponent. It doesn't launch the opponent through his jaw like a typical SRK would be designed to do. The launching action is directed toward the opponent's full body through a knee to the stomach in hopes of a clean KO.
 
This is in direct contrast to Kage just a game prior in SF5 who would launch a knee in conjunction with his fist connected directly to his opponent's jaw during his Metsu Shoryu. This would probably add more impact to the devastating nature of the SRK in rending a person's head from their neck.
 

This is it, and it is because Ryu won't succumb to the SnH in the way Akuma wants he's decided to play Ryu's game and start to take inspiration from him. The thing is when it comes to the Shoryu in canon it was the second most effective move in Ansatusken right below the SGS. Goutetsu didn't ban the move, but Gouken did for himself yet he did teach it to his students as their most potent attack. In canon, the SRK is supposed to be a last resort move which is why both Ryu and Ken have some variant of it as their SA3 & CA .
 
I understand from the canon of SRK that it by design is meant to kill in one hit.
The SRK was already scientifically proven to have the potential to knock a person's head clean off their shoulders.
 
What is Akuma doing to the statue in SF6 that he's practicing his Shoryu on?

 
It's a blatant killing move yet Gouken and Ryu have made the attack just as effective without the destruction and killing through the technique. 
How is the technique performed?
Look at the obvious difference between a Tiger Uppercut and SRK. 
 
From the initial description of an SRK you would think a style like Muay Thai would benefit from an extra knee strike within the said technique. 
Although, Sagat has always performed Tiger Uppercut without a launching knee like the Shoryu.

 
Possibly because even Sagat knew that adding such impact without good judgment would probably end in disaster.
 
The Shin Shoryu in SF6 displays that Ryu launches his opponent with his knee during the final hit and that his fist only initially connects with the jaw and gut of his opponent. It doesn't launch the opponent through his jaw like a typical SRK would be designed to do. The launching action is directed toward the opponent's full body through a knee to the stomach in hopes of a clean KO.
 
This is in direct contrast to Kage just a game prior in SF5 who would launch a knee in conjunction with his fist connected directly to his opponent's jaw during his Metsu Shoryu. This would probably add more impact to the devastating nature of the SRK in rending a person's head from their neck.
 

I had been speculating for some time that the aura surrounding Ryu's fist during his Shin Shoryu was SnH and from the look of Akuma's fist in the teaser trailer they're a mirror of each other.


 
 
 

The whole Ryu petal training is a callback to the Nakahira manga and his Third Strike ending. At the beginning of the manga, it was explained that part of Gouken's teachings included Ryu and Ken using their energy to coax a leaf down from a tree and into their hands. 
During the SF3 ending we see Ryu himself saying he's far from even telling where the leaves would fall although he is keen enough to catch a few in his hand by chance.


 
During SF6 Ryu now has enough mastery to seemingly not only control multiple petals from the tree through his energy, they seem to flow with it as well. 
In contrast to Akuma's hardstyle training which focuses solely on destruction, Ryu's style is more so akin to Gouken's now more than ever. 
Akuma probably knows he's failed in trying to goad Ryu into succumbing to SnH and he's giving up on trying to convert him over and is preparing for their next meeting
 

This is it, and it is because Ryu won't succumb to the SnH in the way Akuma wants he's decided to play Ryu's game and start to take inspiration from him. The thing is when it comes to the Shoryu in canon it was the second most effective move in Ansatusken right below the SGS. Goutetsu didn't ban the move, but Gouken did for himself yet he did teach it to his students as their most potent attack. In canon, the SRK is supposed to be a last resort move which is why both Ryu and Ken have some variant of it as their SA3 & CA .
 
I understand from the canon of SRK that it by design is meant to kill in one hit.
The SRK was already scientifically proven to have the potential to knock a person's head clean off their shoulders.
 
What is Akuma doing to the statue in SF6 that he's practicing his Shoryu on?

 
It's a blatant killing move yet Gouken and Ryu have made the attack just as effective without the destruction and killing through the technique. 
How is the technique performed?
Look at the obvious difference between a Tiger Uppercut and SRK. 
 
From the initial description of an SRK you would think a style like Muay Thai would benefit from an extra knee strike within the said technique. 
Although, Sagat has always performed Tiger Uppercut without a launching knee like the Shoryu.

 
Possibly because even Sagat knew that adding such impact without good judgment would probably end in disaster.
 
The Shin Shoryu in SF6 displays that Ryu launches his opponent with his knee during the final hit and that his fist only initially connects with the jaw and gut of his opponent. It doesn't launch the opponent through his jaw like a typical SRK would be designed to do. The launching action is directed toward the opponent's full body through a knee to the stomach in hopes of a clean KO.
 
This is in direct contrast to Kage just a game prior in SF5 who would launch a knee in conjunction with his fist connected directly to his opponent's jaw during his Metsu Shoryu. This would probably add more impact to the devastating nature of the SRK in rending a person's head from their neck.
 

The whole Ryu petal training is a callback to the Nakahira manga and his Third Strike ending. At the beginning of the manga, it was explained that part of Gouken's teachings included Ryu and Ken using their energy to coax a leaf down from a tree and into their hands. 
During the SF3 ending we see Ryu himself saying he's far from even telling where the leaves would fall although he is keen enough to catch a few in his hand by chance.


 
During SF6 Ryu now has enough mastery to seemingly not only control multiple petals from the tree through his energy, they seem to flow with it as well. 
In contrast to Akuma's hardstyle training which focuses solely on destruction, Ryu's style is more so akin to Gouken's now more than ever. 
Akuma probably knows he's failed in trying to goad Ryu into succumbing to SnH and he's giving up on trying to convert him over and is preparing for their next meeting
 

Thanks, had memories of the SF3 ending, but not about that part of the manga 👍
That's definitely spot on!
Speaking of SF anime/manga to some extent SF6 Master intro with silent Ryu training by "just" stand there waiting to reach right harmony then throwing a single  shoryuken remind me also SF2tAM Ryu training, very similar scene too
(timestamped)
 
That's why i mentioned how hard as fuck Ryu flex that arm in his cherry blossom SF6 cutscene 😁
I like how rather than go for some cliche where you have hard way physical badass vs spiritual Daniel La Russo wimp, we get hint Ryu's path bring him to find the balance to master both
 
After all we even see how Capcom increased Akuma's body mass to express his increasing focus on power/destruction, yet Gouken the spiritual bro... was still built as a fucking silverback gorilla on steroids 😆
After all Gouken is our Mas Oyama, and Oyama beside lifting, punching logs and breaking bulls horns also had attention for meditation, that's like how we find Ryu in SF6

 
Even if to be fair i don't consider Akuma's path void of spirituality... actually his path make him think more about heaven than earth
I think they did great job with first punches of SF6 akuma trailer, the super slow ones. You could see there's the physical conditioning side, but also feels like meditiation
 
Is just that Akuma vision feels... "limited", as a man chosing to self-blind one eye to focus one the other
 
Yeah, feel like they settled it well with SFV Akuma story where we seen him developing this decision
"your pure fist of humanity, Mu no Ken and my demon god fist... now heaven and earth, light and dark will clash!"
At first Akuma in SFV thought that was the day to test his fist against Ryu's MnK (and felt kinda disappointed to how low effort victory was*), then realized Ryu (who at that point i think already defeated Necalli and destroyed ASF Bison) is still just working on develop his own path, and realized only way to consider the fight result legit is to wait Ryu to be ready too
 
Wich is fair if we think despite being much older and accomplished Akuma still trained/evolved between SF4 and SFV, and likely trained/evolved through SF3 and up to SF6
 
Coolest detail to me was that through the vid Akuma keep call him "boy", yet at the very end of the vid when he declare that will wait he finally calls him "Ryu" as if he just recognized him as worth of true respect
The boy became a man, but now he have to wait the man to be ready... wich i think is where SF6 Ryu is
 
 
*the kinda strange part is him in SFV feeling like he had in Ryu's MnK some sort of ultimate test, yet we know there's Gouken's MnK in SF4 wich already proven successful against him... twice as strange if we think his story mode open with him taking on unfinished business of the past with Gen.
Wonder why
Maybe he never had the chance to rematch again Gouken, but defeat a "complete" Ryu who incarnate his teachings would be a moral victory over Gouken's MnK too... after all it's not necessary about the individual involved, it's the path of demon god fist against the path f humanity, to finally see wich is superior and the correct way for true strenght
 
And Goutetsu was an asshole lol
The day of his death when he seems satisfied with Akuma's embracing SnH path, maybe was'nt satisfied of Akuma himself (if SnH was the right path why did'nt fully embraced it himself as only way) but by the fact Akuma taking that route would in future give one day Anstasuken style the test it needs to evolve
 
Cray how after all these years we are still essentilly watching the question about who is the true Goutetsu's successor (kinda like good old Hokuto no Ken days lol), with Akuma currently still wearing his prayer beads (Akuma constantly disreprect gods, that object to him is just a declaration to be the rightful Ansatsuken heir)
 
Maybe reading too much into it but little detail i found interesting now that i think about it is that Goutetsu was portrayed also a bojutsu user (staff wielding techniques)
wich i gave no importance to at first, but now that we go on it's interesting how unlike many other weapons the japanese bo require the ability to use both opposite tips... a bojutsu master is able to fight hitting with both tips, wich is kinda how Goutetsu was able to switch in and out from normal to SnH through fight
 
This part is missing in Akuma's path, his fist is more like a katana (or to keep the staff parallel, a spear) where only one side of the weapon is the one used to attack... meanwhile we seen Ryu in SF6 handle both (him controlling SnH at begin of Shin Shoryuken)
 
It's curious if we think watching Ryu/Akuma SF6 cutscenes the Shoryuken seem to symbolize for both respective paths to express Ansatsuken, and kinda like bojutsu shoryuken involve an upper tip (fist) and a lower tip (knee), and in SF6 they gave more emphasis than usual on the knee hit, making it a move that strike evenly on upper/heaven/fist side and lower/earth/knee (...and kinda in the middle with first uppercut)
In japanese martial arts heaven/earth is often used to mean high/low
Very very first definition of SF shoryuken is
Not sure if i'm explaining it well, but what i'm trying to say is that if shoryuken will be the technique used to declare Ansastuken worthy successor seems Akuma who thinks only about heaven and threw away earth (his humanity) already missed the original meaning of the move
 
ps: is fun at first i fucking hated the knee to be so evident in SF6, because found more pleasant visually the move to focus on the fist only... iirc even debated this with somebody before SF6 launch, not sure if was you or somedy else, we write so much lol
Iirc i was even trying to blame it on camera angle, thought move animation did shit job at show how the chin strike was(or should be in my mind) main focus, while i was wrong and actually even if "uncool" there may be very good reason knee is getting some spotlight too
Now that the move done like that may have a symbolic meaning (that i ever missed lol) for whole Ansatsuken style i can live with it much more lol😆

The whole Ryu petal training is a callback to the Nakahira manga and his Third Strike ending. At the beginning of the manga, it was explained that part of Gouken's teachings included Ryu and Ken using their energy to coax a leaf down from a tree and into their hands. 
During the SF3 ending we see Ryu himself saying he's far from even telling where the leaves would fall although he is keen enough to catch a few in his hand by chance.


 
During SF6 Ryu now has enough mastery to seemingly not only control multiple petals from the tree through his energy, they seem to flow with it as well. 
In contrast to Akuma's hardstyle training which focuses solely on destruction, Ryu's style is more so akin to Gouken's now more than ever. 
Akuma probably knows he's failed in trying to goad Ryu into succumbing to SnH and he's giving up on trying to convert him over and is preparing for their next meeting
 

The whole Ryu petal training is a callback to the Nakahira manga and his Third Strike ending. At the beginning of the manga, it was explained that part of Gouken's teachings included Ryu and Ken using their energy to coax a leaf down from a tree and into their hands. 
During the SF3 ending we see Ryu himself saying he's far from even telling where the leaves would fall although he is keen enough to catch a few in his hand by chance.


 
During SF6 Ryu now has enough mastery to seemingly not only control multiple petals from the tree through his energy, they seem to flow with it as well. 
In contrast to Akuma's hardstyle training which focuses solely on destruction, Ryu's style is more so akin to Gouken's now more than ever. 
Akuma probably knows he's failed in trying to goad Ryu into succumbing to SnH and he's giving up on trying to convert him over and is preparing for their next meeting
 

The whole Ryu petal training is a callback to the Nakahira manga and his Third Strike ending. At the beginning of the manga, it was explained that part of Gouken's teachings included Ryu and Ken using their energy to coax a leaf down from a tree and into their hands. 
During the SF3 ending we see Ryu himself saying he's far from even telling where the leaves would fall although he is keen enough to catch a few in his hand by chance.


 
During SF6 Ryu now has enough mastery to seemingly not only control multiple petals from the tree through his energy, they seem to flow with it as well. 
In contrast to Akuma's hardstyle training which focuses solely on destruction, Ryu's style is more so akin to Gouken's now more than ever. 
Akuma probably knows he's failed in trying to goad Ryu into succumbing to SnH and he's giving up on trying to convert him over and is preparing for their next meeting
 

The whole Ryu petal training is a callback to the Nakahira manga and his Third Strike ending. At the beginning of the manga, it was explained that part of Gouken's teachings included Ryu and Ken using their energy to coax a leaf down from a tree and into their hands. 
During the SF3 ending we see Ryu himself saying he's far from even telling where the leaves would fall although he is keen enough to catch a few in his hand by chance.


 
During SF6 Ryu now has enough mastery to seemingly not only control multiple petals from the tree through his energy, they seem to flow with it as well. 
In contrast to Akuma's hardstyle training which focuses solely on destruction, Ryu's style is more so akin to Gouken's now more than ever. 
Akuma probably knows he's failed in trying to goad Ryu into succumbing to SnH and he's giving up on trying to convert him over and is preparing for their next meeting
 

I recently made  a contrast on another forum  between Ryu and Akuma. The contrast was that Ryu was like a calm breeze, while Akuma was like a raging storm.

Got to admit great trailer regardless me hating Akuma's inclusion (specially as soon as Season 1) lol
Can't wait Akuma to be finally released so we can move on Season 2 and hopefully cast will get cool additions
 
 
Few thought/random stuff
 
- Gokuento stage looks nice location even if not my fav type, hopefully will get it's own flight location/merchant in WTM... wich is likely considering every S1 char had teaser in their own WTM place (hopefully they don't place it in Nayshall caves lol, we ever had confirmation cave was in Japan?)
 
-I love they made up the red spirit thing, if we are forced to get Akuma, at least invent all possible bullshit to distance him from Ryu/Ken
It's not first time we see something similar in SF6, without count JP's "ghosts" i'm thinking more Dhalsim's golden "divine" hands he have on perfect parry
(time-stamped)
Impressive feat is that Sim who's very specialized on ki control could do for a glimpse to lesser extent and on very specific perfect situation, while Akuma seems able to pull it at will
 
-If somebody did'nt paused at black and white frames, it shows Ryu's first Master cutscene, with Ryu doing his Shoryuken on a single cherry blossom petal
(timestamped)
Beside hinting maybe Akuma finally consider him ready, what i really like is the symmetry of the two cutscenes
Both go for some sort of "ultimate" shoryuken
Both have a their soul/power taking shape in a mythical figure
Ryu is punching one of the lightest/delicate object, while Akuma is punching one(two) of the hardest/heaviest
 
Last line is super interesting to me because it sells the dfference of their paths... on surface one could guess Akuma punching the stone is training "harder" wich will result in greater strenght, yet we see Ryu too is flexing hard as fuck (would say even more than Lv3 Shin Shoryu) all the muscle of his arm before punching the petal, guess his focus is deliver the most powerful strike while at same time not destroying the petal itself
Remind me a lot when in ASF he throw an huge af hadouken straight through Chun Li/Li Fen without harm them and at same time destroying all the ceiling pieces that were crumbling on their heads
Also this (completely OT lol)
 
-With Akuma training on striking giant statues wonder if he have anything to do with the hole in Nayshall's one chest

wich wink hard at

wich would be fun "coincidence" if we think that even if not canon, that scar is supposed to be caused by Akuma's fist (in Ryu Final manga where is taken from)
 
- The thing of punch gods statues is not casual, it mirror "fists with ambitions so great, they seek to soar beyond the very heavens"
He does'nt hesitate to desecrate gods statues, as his path is pure blasphemy and that's his challenge to do fucking something about it if they dare to challenge his fist
 
- If we want give Ryu's cherry blossom importance we may think at Sakura meaning = cherry blossom
Ryu as Master at some point have a line about Sakura that hint something during timeskip years may have happened
"At the time, she still seemed like a child. Before I knew it, she had grown up and ・・・・・・" (その時、まだ子供だと思えた彼女はいつの間にか成長して・・・・・・)
Iirc we got some dev saying Ken have been confirmed to be stronger than ever when fighting for his family, somebody to fight for may be the piece Ryu was missing
 
 

I had been speculating for some time that the aura surrounding Ryu's fist during his Shin Shoryu was SnH and from the look of Akuma's fist in the teaser trailer they're a mirror of each other.


 
 
 

I had been speculating for some time that the aura surrounding Ryu's fist during his Shin Shoryu was SnH and from the look of Akuma's fist in the teaser trailer they're a mirror of each other.


 
 
 

Just having his beard actually cover his chin improves his look SO much.

I think that was Akuma’s World Tour intro much like how both A.K.I. and Ed was introduced with theirs. But I guess since this is Akuma, he might not interact with the player at first.

In case nobody here watched the Capcom Highlights stream, Nakayama confirmed the name of Akuma's cave stage, Gokuento, in which it's set in the same location as his Alpha 2 stage, which was also called Gokuento.

These are just concepts for Luke of course. Interesting that at least 5 of those concepts for Luke are black characters. Regarding the fact the whole game is urban-themed and that they were considering a person of color to be the main character of SF6 is kinda fitting I feel.
 
Also, the artwork in the second-row sort of resembles Nash from SFA3, the poses are similar.

 

Video of devs creating A.K.I. (13 mins): https://www3.nhk.or.jp/nhkworld/en/ondemand/video/5001412/ 

Lol!  Literally Popeye on the bottom left.