Hecatom

Wow, lmao.
I did answer the question.
If yor reading comprehension is so low that you read it and think my answer is not pertinent, then dunno what to tell you.
 
Like I said before, you always do this, hence why arguing with you ends being a waste of time, lol.

I can go to the same social media, sales, or youtube you do to see that you only speak for a few people in comparison to everyone else. Again, I don't know what hug-box you're in, but most people do not give a fuck about this shit. I happen to be one of those people, and truly can't understand those who do. It's why I asked in the first place.
 
Wrong.
MK11, the last game, sold 3 mil by the end of 2019 (the year of it's release) after an April release. MK1 has sold over 3 mil now, 6 months past release. Not "way less".
https://gameworldobserver.com/2023/11/09/mortal-kombat-1-sales-3-million-copies-vs-other-mk-games
 
Spiderman 1 sold 9m units by the end of 2018 (the year of its release) after dropping in September. Spider-Man 2 has sold 10m to date after dropping in october. It has been a slower climb, but still not "way less" than SM1 by the same time out.
 
Horizon 1 sold 7 mil its first year, and Horizon 2 sold 8. Again, not "way less".
 
Horizon Forbidden West is the only one of these that's been out more than a year (vs the predecessors, which have been out 5), so I'm doing first year sales. And also, even if you were right and sales had a major decline, linking that to "not as hot/appealing as I'd like" faces in any way is crazy talk.
It's just stupid to suggest the game would fail even partially because of the heroine's face vs literally anything else people are talking about with that game right now. And again, no games are failing because of this type of shit.
 
I'm not. I said the fixation on a VG lady being hot is weird. I said I could understand if it was a dogface or something drastic, and this shit people are flipping out over just isn't drastic. This is not just "aesthetics in games", it's "I only deal with the finest digital bitches". You can keep your money and avoid any game you want because a lady (main or not) isn't as hot as you think she should be. That's fine. But to prattle on about it sounds childish to most people. I can't help that. And that's not arrogance (at least on my part). It's just me having grown out of that by 13.

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The fact that you think MK 1 and SM 2 sold less due to their in-game models is actually hilarious.
 
As well as the gender neutral language thing. Is that where you actually draw the line? LMFAO

Look how fucking ugly they made Peach in the latest Mario game. 
 

 
Well, unless you're Zatalcon, I guess. 

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Because mexicans live in pipes, duh

No didn't. Meshes don't prove she's uglier. It proves she's a little heavier. You didn't prove anything  this with this but what was already agreed to. Meshes don't prove she's been made ugly. Your.claim has 0 bite. You in fact still haven't provided proof she's uglier. 
 
No I find your obsession with all females needing to be incredibly pretty vain and shallow. 
 
See you don't actually read anything I fucking say or else you wouldn't haven't have typed that dumbass line. 
No but we clearly are gonna act like this is new and sudden and hasn't been a thing for fucking decades so we can blow up into this big fucking thing day after day after day. You act like this is new and thats the most embarrassing part, you're just like the people who thinking bitching about DD2 Micros makes you an enlightening individual when people have been making characters of all stripes in every type.of entertainment for centuries. CENTURIES. 
 
I really don't give a fuck what the video game media whines and cries about its super pathetic you care as much as you do. I lived through thenntrying to ban videogames and failing you think I give a fuck about IGN France? Why do you? 
 
I won't ever ignore you. I will argue with you every fucking time you make this stupid ass fucking argument. You have to block me if you're tired of having this convo I won't let it run unnapposed just because it annoys you. 

Because mexicans live in pipes, duh

I haven't moved one single goal post, that's been Hecatom. My postion and argument have remained firm since the beginning. Neither of youhave provided a single good reason for why changing these models is an issue nore have either you managed to do a sufficient job defining any of them as ugly.  I've pointed out many body scan models who don't look exactly like the characters they are portraying in game, male and female you brushed them aside. Dante nor Nero or Vergil look like their body models used for their scans but neither of you seem to have an issue with that. Both of you seem to understand that he's representing the character Dante, not he himself in the game so they changed the model to closer fit what they want Dante to look like based off the model scan. Both of yoy get this but the moment tits are involved its suddenly a huge big issue. 
 
And Hecas lying to because Capcom caught flack for Clairs face in Resident Evil 2 Remake back when thay came out so Eastrrn Devs catch this stupid unjustified bullshit to. 
 
This started with the claim they are making the women ugly and the goal post was loved to "Masculine and hard." 
 
You have Heca are the only ones moving goal posts bro, don't accuse me of what you are doing. My position has remained firm the entire convo. Neither of you have justified your outrage at any of this but for some reason we have to hear about it from you two every time a character doesn't look exactly the way you seem to want them to. 
I post direct screen shots from Horizon 2 of Aloys face and get countered with Google Photoshop images and meshes thay don't show her as uglier but a little heavier which i have never once denied, yea she's a little heavier. 
 
Accuse me of goal post moving when I've stayed on my position the entire time. I think  youre better then thay Darc. 

Because mexicans live in pipes, duh

You seem to be more concerned with moving goalposts and arguing against what you believe people have said. Than actually having a true back and forth discussion. I'm about equity. The same standards should be applied to everyone evenly. I shouldn't have to spell that out for you. It something I bring up often across multiple subjects.

Uggo Sonic even found his way to the Chip & Dale Rescue Rangers movie so it all worked out for him LOL

1.) To be perfectly honest, I don't find it to be a debate as much as disengenous discussion with frequently moving goalposts. 
2.) These discussions only seem to pop with Western developed games. Eastern developed games on the same platforms often using the same game engines don't generate this discussion.
3.) There are changes. Why are there changes is the question. Why does the "why's does matter crowd" toss that mantra aside any time there is an attractive female character? Why does their standards conventially leave out male characters? Especially when it's proven that both men and women prefer attractive characters. Titantic didn't set box office records because Leonardo D'Caprio was an average looking dude.  Attractive female characters are apparently killing women like Hogwart's Legacy was "killing trans people". I guess physical copies of both games are breaking into houses and the blu-ray discs are flying around taking people out like Talec from I Come In Peace

I want my pixels and polygons to be fuckable. If I don’t want to fuck em I don’t want to play em. 😤

Every single of her features have been harshened.
To say that both sides are part of the same face is absurd.
 

Then put me on block and stop responding to me if im such a waste of your precious fucking time. 
 
Edit: To answer Axemans question from my perspective, I think it matters for the reasons stated yesterday, characters fitting the world and character they are supposed to be is important and having that Star Wars chick look like a runway model would be fucking stupid and out of character from what I know of the premise. She's a bounty hunter, she shouldn't look soft. If this where a show they would be doing her makeup in ways that harden her face and take the softness away because Bounty Hunters are not soft people. They are cold hard people that's the life they live in the Star Wars Universe. She should look the part. 
 
Darc and Heca seem more concerned with her looking runway ready then looking the part she's playing. 

Because:
1.) There's debate, even here, on if there even were changes in the first place.
2.) If there are these tiny differences between model and character (for regular characters that should be 1-1), they could be for a multitude of reasons relating to gaming engine.
3.) Again, even if there were these changes, we're talking changes where people debate if they exist. That lets you know they're not serious. Why are these non-serious changes grinding to you personally? If they changed it, what do you get out of a game where the in game model looks a little more like the face model?
1.) Don't let whatever echo chamber you're in fool you: most people do NOT give one thrust of a fuck about this, or see any "pattern". People were crying a little over Tanya's face in MK1. MK1 still sold. People were crying over Mary Jane in Spider-Man 2. That game still sold. People were crying over Aloy's face. Forbidden West still sold. Even on social media/youtube, if there are problems brought up with those games, it has NOTHING to do with the faces. This star wars game will be the same. Whether it bombs or sells well, nobody will give a fuck about the heroine's face at that point.
 
2.) Art style is one thing; this fervent need for a video game girl to be hot is another. It doesn't affect gameplay, which is why most people don't care about it. And plus, the girls aren't even unattractive (to most people). I could see if they made somebody into a real dogface when the model is a hottie. Or, like, made Mary Jane a white Zendaya in Spider-Man 2 for no reason. But this is picking over tiny differences that, again, most people don't care about. So why do you care about them?

No because that wasn't Sonic, had more to domwith it being not Sonic then being ugly since Sonics been actually ugly in plenty of successful content like the old cartoons and Sonic Adventure 1 where he looks like a fucking golem but still recognizably Sonic. 
 
All the people you guys have complained about still look like the people they where modeled off of just with some tweaks to fit thengame, setting and character. 
 
Your comparing a visual character assassination to the visual equivilant of makeup and costume work.

I like how neither of you actually answered the question. Darc completely side stepped it and Heca went on some goofy rant as if ulgy characters haven't always existed and people purposfully make ugly as fuck characters in create characters for them to play as in multi hour RPGs. 
 
Hell a lot of fighting game characters are butt ugly and still get play so thats out the window there to as some default always gotta be attractive expectation lol. Even Overwstch has "ugly" characters that don't fit the traditional molds of beauty like Rat Trap and Zaryia. 
 
You guys keep making this into a big issue and then when asked why it matters neither of you can really manage more then "I like looking at extremely pretty things all the time and so should everyone else." 

I have a better question.
Why if it doesn't matter do we have a very obvious pattern of always doing this by western devs, and worse attack and try to censor games from usually eastern devs who don't do it by both western devs and gaming media.
 
Why also assume that it doesn't matter because it doesn't matter to YOU?
 
It is kind of mental that you even need to ask this.
 
It is the same reason why people care about presentation, art style, character design, gui, music and other aesthetics the games have.
 
Most people like to play/watch characters that are appealing to them, this is a fact.
 
Hence why you see games like OW having s lasting appeal due its characters.
 
And why selling cosmetics is a very viable financial strategy for game companies.
Just ask capcom and how many Chun Li costumes they sold.
 
Or why people go out their way to mod games on pc and even on consoles at times.
 
 
We all here play or played fgs, and a big part of what tends to attract players to a character is its appeal, besides gameplay.
 
So yes it matters and to pretend that it doesn't is disingenuous at best and willfully ignorant at worse.
 
 

Every single of her features have been harshened.
To say that both sides are part of the same face is absurd.
 

Every single of her features have been harshened.
To say that both sides are part of the same face is absurd.
 

Saying this is a lot of bollocks is fairly out there when it's coming directly from an actual artist in the field.  I'm not even going to say "This is absolutely right and it's the gospel" because honestly people can be in an industry and not tell you the 100% truth of what goes on within it.  That being said I'm more inclined to listen to someone from the field who's actually had experience in this then someone who hasn't.  Darc has something that's at least 2nd hand anecdotal so I can understand his apprehension to this.
 
Again in the grand scheme of things this is small potatoes and the fact that this is blowing up like this is pretty ridiculous.  We got a whole game that has far more concerning issues about it than the protagonist having freckles, having a change of hair style, being in a different set of lighting, and having a cleft.
 
 
Again all this stuff is based off something that really doesn't matter and is 100% subjective.  I can defend Stellar Blade's design while also looking at the protagonist for this game and going "eh she looks fine to me".  Not every character I play as has to be a chiseled piece of human perfection.  I am mostly interested in hearing more about the development side of things like this to get a better understanding  which is why I put up that thread.  If you happen to see any that comes across your feeds that actually talks about why the artist tweak the models in this way that doesn't have to do with some guy on twitter who is looking more and more to being a potentially being a grifter then I'm all for reading or watching it.

All of that is just a lot of bollocks, since we have games like MGSV and Death Stranding and none of those "nuances/issues" seem to be a problem for them 🤷‍♂️

So far this is only an issue for western devs, almost as if they either suck, or do it deliberately 🤔