The Street Fighter V Thread

[KingTubb]

59 minutes ago, GetTheTables said:

I'm not the biggest KOF fan

me neither. If XV dropped last year and had sprites instead of 3D models, I'd probably pick it up, but since Strive is dropping in a couple months, I'm going to pass. 

And KOF just doesn't look good in 3D to me, at all. I dig a lot of the artwork and general designs of the characters, and I think they really benefitted from that SNK gradient heavy sprite style, but in 3D they all look like NPCs in a JPRG or something 

[TWINBLADES_SRK]

15 hours ago, Volt said:

The only people really hype about Rose here are Yiceman who's been waiting for Rose for a while and is a real Rose fan, Twin, who haven't recognized Rose ain't a blonde, and people who still play SFV.

Ono told me rose has a blond alt

[GetTheTables]

22 minutes ago, KingTubb said:

me neither. If XV dropped last year and had sprites instead of 3D models, I'd probably pick it up, but since Strive is dropping in a couple months, I'm going to pass. 

And KOF just doesn't look good in 3D to me, at all. I dig a lot of the artwork and general designs of the characters, and I think they really benefitted from that SNK gradient heavy sprite style, but in 3D they all look like NPCs in a JPRG or something 

Yeah I hear you on that. I think Capcom and SNK have both had a really rough time with the transition to 3D. ArcSys probably would have too but they straight up cheated.

 

KOF is actually in an especially bad spot for any kind of engine/art style shift because the game needs to have so many characters. Like you can't do the thing that most games do which is launch with a core and then build out to cut down on your workload; a "core" for KOF is like 30 characters. You definitely saw that with KOFXIV and while they did polish that game's visuals up there was only so much they could do with the base models and such.

 

EDIT: Actually we've already seen a really keen example of this with KOFXII. My understanding of that game is that it was basically just an engine transition game which eventually got us to XIII.

 

I think with some more iteration you could probably get a pretty slick looking KOF game in this engine. I think XV is a marked improvement already, though to your point the art style has fundamentally shifted in a way that maybe isn't the most endearing.

 

Old man yelling at cloud moment: the thing that drew me in to all these games back in the day was how fucking sick they always looked. There was a quality to the sprite work that feels totally lost in this modern era (ArcSys again mostly avoids that with their tech). Some of the better models in SFV kinda sorta get there but then they go all dead-eyed or have some awkward facet and it pulls me right out.

Edited April 8 by GetTheTables

[BornWinner]

Pre-emptive popoffs kill 8 out of 10 fighting game players every year

 

 

[KingTubb]

26 minutes ago, GetTheTables said:

I think Capcom and SNK have both had a really rough time with the transition to 3D.

A-FUCKIN'-MEN

 

SFIV and V both are ugly imho. There's times when it shines, but those are just the corn kernels in a turd, not actual diamonds. 

 

As much as XV is an improvement so far, it still looks like a game that came out in 2014. 

[AriesWarlock]

I agree, the "hyperrralism" graphics used by Capcom and SNK suck.  Especially Capcom's creepy clay-is character models. I wish they would do something similar to what ARC is doing with GG.

And someone is gonna say "that's too expensive". Well SNK is now backed by all the blood money from Saudi Arabia's dictator, so put it to good use at least.

And Capcom has been ranking millions with their movies and Monster Hunter games. They can do it, dammit

Edited Thursday at 07:10 PM by AriesWarlock

[Mr.Cipher]

I give SFV a lot of shit, but the artstyle is not bad. It needs a bit more refinement, but they've gotten a lot better since creepy pasta Ken and Babyface Vega.

Heck I would say since late Season 1 (Urien, Juri) they've been doing really really great with their models.

They should keep improving on that in my opinion.

 

They can adapt some small things from GG, for example Ramlethals Thigh Jiggles.

Edited Thursday at 06:21 PM by Mr.Cipher

[Dayaan]

1 hour ago, AriesWarlock said:

I agree, the "hyperrralism" graphics used by Capcom and SNK suck.  Especially Capcom's creepy clay-is character models. I wish they would do something similar to what ARC is doing with GG.

And someone is gonna say "that's too expensive". Well SNK is now backed by all the blood money from Saudi Arabia's dictator, so out it to good use at least.

And Capcom has been ranking millions with their movies and Monster Hunter games. They can do it, dammit

Blood money!? Jesus Chri- I mean Ya Allah!

[Vhozite]

SFV’s overall style is pretty good as a whole package.  The biggest flaw is “solid piece of rubber” hair. 

[Shakunetsu]

Capcom is still trying to find a middle ground to the art style, kinda semi-realistic but has cartoony like silhouette.

I'm okay whether they stay trying to find harmony in those style but I prefer more arc cel shaded anime style.

 

  It would still aged better because of being stylized but arc would aged more better

Edited Thursday at 07:14 PM by Shakunetsu

[Skort]

I have many issues with SFV. Art style is not one of them. 

 

I would not mind if they keep the same style but refine the visual quality of the models in the next title. Having that said i am curious how characters would look in a style similar to what ASW did for GG Strive. 

 

My bet however is that Capcom won't be doing that and they will play it safe and retain the style it has now, especially after the negative feedback they got from MvC Infinite,that was half dead on arrival, because of the art style alone.

Edited Thursday at 07:24 PM by Skort

[Shakunetsu]

Just now, Skort said:

 

My bet however is that Capcom won't be doing that and they will play it safe and retain the style it has now, especially after the negative feedback they got from MvC Infinite,that was half dead on arrival, because of the art style alone.

there were concept art of mvci which is more anime like arc sys but probably turned it down for the hyper realistic 

 

It's like Capcom is moving away with anime style because of the other anime games and it wanted to standout among the crowd of anime fghter but choices ends up bad

 

 

 

the nearest would could thinking about anime style is TVC, TVC artstyled aged better than MVCI

 

unpopular opinion I like TVC artstyle than MVC3

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Pair of Rooks]

1 hour ago, Mr.Cipher said:

for example Ramlethals Thigh Jiggles.

Possibly unpopular opinion but, muscle doesn't jiggle...

[Mattatsu]

@KingTubb @GetTheTables @ whoever else

 

 

[Sonero]

Welp, might as well throw SF5 in the trash now:

 

 

Hyper Fight AND Streets Of Rage 4 DLC?

 

Bruh, throw Rose and Oro in the trash.

 

Edit: LMAO Matt and I on the same wavelenght. LETS F-ING GO.

 

Edited Thursday at 07:35 PM by Sonero

[Mattatsu]

Also, 

 

 

... don’t know why these tweets aren't embedding properly, but while the DLC is a paid add-on, there will be free stuff in the update as per the above

[KingTubb]

32 minutes ago, Mattatsu said:

SoR4 DLC 

 

BRUH!!! I saw earlier today in the VGG thread. I'm stoked to play as Estel. 

 

Also, I'm pretty sure the other two characters are going to be Max and Shiva

 

Edit: I know he's not one of the "good guy" bosses, but I really want Barbon as a playable character.

Edited Thursday at 08:07 PM by KingTubb

[Darc_Requiem]

37 minutes ago, Shakunetsu said:

there were concept art of mvci which is more anime like arc sys but probably turned it down for the hyper realistic 

 

It's like Capcom is moving away with anime style because of the other anime games and it wanted to standout among the crowd of anime fghter but choices ends up bad

 

 

 

the nearest would could thinking about anime style is TVC, TVC artstyled aged better than MVCI

 

unpopular opinion I like TVC artstyle than MVC3

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Is TvC having a better artstyle than MvC3 really an unpopular opinion? If so, I'm in the minority with you. TvC's artstyle looked great.

 

@MattatsuBuff Police Waifu DLC!? I mean cool SOR4 is getting DLC.

 

 

[GetTheTables]

1 hour ago, Mattatsu said:

@KingTubb @GetTheTables @ whoever else

 

Fuckin' awesome. Day 1. Love the swordfish.

 

First thing I thought of when I saw this news elsewhere was Tubb. Megashock Ride or Die. 

 

I need to look into options for us to play Shadow Over Mystara or AvP. Those games are GOAT and we can get 3-4 peeps on.

[clandestine]

I wouldn't mind if SF6 changed their art style, I've never been a big fan of the gigantic hands and feet thing. Also, on the topic of KOF15, I would be interested in the game, but I don't want to be upset again when they decide to screw over PC players by making the game EGS exclusive, like they did with Samurai Shodown.

[Shakunetsu]

 

[Skort]

Not bad but i think it's a missed opportunity to use that costume / theme for Laura as it would fit her much better than Chun.

[Mr.Cipher]

1 hour ago, Pair of Rooks said:

Possibly unpopular opinion but, muscle doesn't jiggle...

 

It is ok to have an opinion, really, there is nothing wrong with that.

Now face the wall pls.

 

[HeavensCloud]

1 hour ago, Shakunetsu said:

there were concept art of mvci which is more anime like arc sys but probably turned it down for the hyper realistic 

 

It's like Capcom is moving away with anime style because of the other anime games and it wanted to standout among the crowd of anime fghter but choices ends up bad

 

 

 

the nearest would could thinking about anime style is TVC, TVC artstyled aged better than MVCI

 

unpopular opinion I like TVC artstyle than MVC3

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Morrigan looks amazing.  If Capcom made a new Darkstalkers that looked like this.....

[Skort]

Of course she is holding a Luger.

[HeavensCloud]

Been watching a-cho streams to get an idea of how Oro plays.  It seems to me the answer is.....I don't know - wtf is this character even doing?

[Volt]

7 hours ago, GetTheTables said:

KOF is actually in an especially bad spot for any kind of engine/art style shift because the game needs to have so many characters. Like you can't do the thing that most games do which is launch with a core and then build out to cut down on your workload; a "core" for KOF is like 30 characters.

Ironically, out of all games, Pokémon got that nonsense right.

 

When you got too many models and animations to work on, you make sure the common effects look great. SNK made sure the priority was the models, and whenever we see whatever the hell that fire is, the game doesn't look good at all.

 

5 hours ago, Mr.Cipher said:

I give SFV a lot of shit, but the artstyle is not bad. It needs a bit more refinement,

Ladies and gentlement, we have just seen Cipher give props to SFV. 

 

I agree with him tho, I can give SFV props for trying to do its own thing, but it really, really needs work. The huge hands and feet just aren't necessary tbh. The hair is also pretty rough across the board.

 

4 hours ago, Shakunetsu said:

It's like Capcom is moving away with anime style because of the other anime games and it wanted to standout among the crowd of anime fghter but choices ends up bad

Precisely.

 

Tekken is ruling the hyperrealistic style with an iron fist. ArcSys' artstyle earned them not only damn near universal respect, but a partnership with Bamco for a DBZ game. Just because Xrd looked that damn good.

 

Strive went even further beyond by not really emulating sprite animation, so it got that real 3D flow to match how excellent the artstyle looks.

 

Capcom lost the biggest niches it could've gotten in terms of artstyle and it's still trying to find itself.

 

TvC is definitely one of the best-looking FGs they got in the 3D era tho, but then again... can't run with that look with Strive out there.

[Darc_Requiem]

12 minutes ago, Volt said:

Ladies and gentlement, we have just seen Cipher give props to SFV. 

I bought my lottery tickets. I hope yall did the same fam. 

[Dayaan]

31 minutes ago, HeavensCloud said:

Been watching a-cho streams to get an idea of how Oro plays.  It seems to me the answer is.....I don't know - wtf is this character even doing?

Haha, I didn't think I'd ever see a reference to A-Cho here...Good stuff. 

[HeavensCloud]

33 minutes ago, Dayaan said:

Haha, I didn't think I'd ever see a reference to A-Cho here...Good stuff. 

Oh I love the a-cho channel.  One of the best fighting game channels for retro games on youtube.  High level 3rd strike, Alpha 3, Garou, KOF 98, yes please!

[Dayaan]

1 minute ago, HeavensCloud said:

Oh I love the a-cho channel.  One of the best fighting game channels for retro games on youtube.  High level 3rd strike, Alpha 3, Garou, KOF 98, yes please!

Awesome!

 

You know I still have a hard time identifying players on A-Cho. I stick to Inouero and Koenji Cube. Inouero has Deshiken, and Cube has my friends from Japan! Sick places to watch 3S.

[HeavensCloud]

1 minute ago, Dayaan said:

Awesome!

 

You know I still have a hard time identifying players on A-Cho. I stick to Inouero and Koenji Cube. Inouero has Deshiken, and Cube has my friends from Japan! Sick places to watch 3S.

Yeah, I have no idea who the players are.  I'm just like "oh the purple Yang is back, he's good".  

[Dayaan]

Just now, HeavensCloud said:

Yeah, I have no idea who the players are.  I'm just like "oh the purple Yang is back, he's good".  

I'll ask the next time it comes up. I know some of them speak English, and I know Shodokan is like me in the sense that for characters he cares about, he can identify players by their colors and styles...

[Sonero]

2 hours ago, HeavensCloud said:

I don't know - wtf is this character even doing?

 

Plays some footsies, throws some projectiles and either:

 

1) forces you into a 50/50 with his install super that leads to a fat juggle or

 

2) lights you up with unblockables.

 

If you don't have a good way to anti air, he may or may ot double jump like a scoundrel because reasons. It ain't much but its honest work.

[Pair of Rooks]

2 hours ago, HeavensCloud said:

Yeah, I have no idea who the players are.  I'm just like "oh the purple Yang is back, he's good".  

LOL, same.  Loved watching Alpha3 on there back in 2010 or so with some cheese & crackers or olive bread + balsanic dip or whatever "life is grand"  snack.   That was luxury. 

[Dayaan]

2 minutes ago, Pair of Rooks said:

LOL, same.  Loved watching Alpha3 on there back in 2010 or so with some cheese & crackers or olive bread + balsanic dip or whatever "life is grand"  snack.   That was luxury. 

We're about to experience that this weekend with UFC, innit. Man isn't combat a beautiful thing? I love arts and paint demos, but there is something to be said about peak physical condition fighting peak mental conditions...

[Volt]

3 hours ago, Dayaan said:

Haha, I didn't think I'd ever see a reference to A-Cho here...Good stuff. 

Anime crew know that name as well y'know... Good times.

 

2 hours ago, HeavensCloud said:

Yeah, I have no idea who the players are.  I'm just like "oh the purple Yang is back, he's good".  

It's always nice to be able to identify certain players by just the color and a couple seconds of gameplay.

[Shakunetsu]

10 hours ago, Volt said:

Precisely.

 

Tekken is ruling the hyperrealistic style with an iron fist. ArcSys' artstyle earned them not only damn near universal respect, but a partnership with Bamco for a DBZ game. Just because Xrd looked that damn good.

 

Strive went even further beyond by not really emulating sprite animation, so it got that real 3D flow to match how excellent the artstyle looks.

 

Capcom lost the biggest niches it could've gotten in terms of artstyle and it's still trying to find itself.

 

TvC is definitely one of the best-looking FGs they got in the 3D era tho, but then again... can't run with that look with Strive out there.

 

 

Even some even thought that Capcom didn't choose cell shaded anime style because of the costume DLC possibilities and limitation, which kind a misconception.

 

The thing is DLC costume are still possible to cell shaded anime style that are commonly used even before XRD's engine was ever created and became popular as a comparison or a standard for cell shaded anime like in games.

 

What some didn't realize to be specific and exclusive with XRD's engine/technology is the 2D feel in the  animation and dynamic attribute not the cell shaded anime style which can be done in other engine as well prior to XRD's engine.

 

So it's kinda Capcom can really have anime cell shaded style and with DLC costumes too but without the dynamic attributes and animation trying to emulate 2D feel just like other anime cell shaded games before XRD's engine existed but they choose not to, because they wanted it to standout.

 

Edited Friday at 10:42 AM by Shakunetsu

[Hawkingbird]

This is a awesome looking 3D model of Cammy

https://www.artstation.com/artwork/VdG5gX

[KingTubb]

15 hours ago, HeavensCloud said:

Morrigan looks amazing. 

Is it her original sprite that capcom reused roughly 7,400 times?

 

Then it's not Morrigan. It's an imposter 

Edited Friday at 12:49 PM by KingTubb

[AriesWarlock]

 

 

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[Skort]

40 minutes ago, AriesWarlock said:

 

 

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[Doctrine_Dark]

RIP DMX.

 

Think I might play some SFV while bumping some X later today.

[Shakunetsu]

 

 

What if's super input for SF6 would be change to be similar to Mavhel like games,

 

for example if the exection from QCFx2 P change to QCF LP+MP or MP+HP

 

Does that cause a huge or slight change to the fundamentals of gameplay for an SF?

 

 

Thank you very much

Edited Friday at 06:27 PM by Shakunetsu

[Sonero]

20 minutes ago, Shakunetsu said:

What if's super input for SF6 would be change to be similar to Mavhel like games,

 

for example if the exection from QCFx2 P change to QCF LP+MP or MP+HP

 

If you use that motion for supers, then you're commiting to no EX moves. Otherwise EX moves are gonna have a funky input like motion +  LP+LK or some other unnatural button combo.

[Shakunetsu]

7 minutes ago, Sonero said:

f you use that motion for supers, then you're commiting to no EX moves. Otherwise EX moves are gonna have a funky input like motion +  LP+LK or some other unnatural button combo.

I forgot EX moves haha 

 

I mean if EX moves were Map differently like to LP+MP and supers were like to MP+HP 

 

or something if EX moves didn't exist in SF6. like does it make comboing does a conflict with the ordinary special to the super moves or etc?

 

I should have rephrase it into, Is there something beneficial and convenient with QCFx2 motion supers for future SF games

Edited Friday at 06:26 PM by Shakunetsu

[Sonero]

1 minute ago, Shakunetsu said:

I mean if EX moves were Map differently like to LP+MP and supers were like to MP+HP 

 

It isn't an issue of super motion, its about the game design. in A2 and A3, a lot of low level supers basically act as fancy EX moves. Level 1s do good damage for what they are but they kinda act like that. In A2, Nash is going to spend bar on his projectile super in similar ways as he would in SF5.

 

This question is really one about how you would allocate moves. If your game is going to have only supers, then its fine. If you want just EX moves, that's fine too. If you want both, then you have to work out which motions to use for either.

 

For SF, it isn't an issue of changing fundamental SF. There are mechanics that really put how you play SF on its head. It'll make supers easier to do an easier to cancel into, but it doesn't exactly break the game. The issue will be how quickly do you get that super. Also would the super have any of the usual SF capcom invincibility of the last two years ( don't remember if supers had wholesale invincibility in SF4 but Ultras did; they do in SF5 except for...Vega's IIRC).

 

 

[Shakunetsu]

Just now, Sonero said:

For SF, it isn't an issue of changing fundamental SF. There are mechanics that really put how you play SF on its head. It'll make supers easier to do an easier to cancel into, but it doesn't exactly break the game. The issue will be how quickly do you get that super. Also would the super have any of the usual SF capcom invincibility of the last two years ( don't remember if supers had wholesale invincibility in SF4 but Ultras did; they do in SF5 except for...Vega's IIRC).

 

 

I was thinking and I thought there is something that might made it on purpose to stay the like that way of execution to avoid conflict on combo stuff to be precise and different in motion to the ordinary special version. I was wrong.

 

Thanks for clarifying

Edited Friday at 06:37 PM by Shakunetsu

[Phantom_Miria]

23 hours ago, Mattatsu said:

@KingTubb @GetTheTables @ whoever else

 

 

They made the big police girl playable?

 

Oh my.

[Darc_Requiem]

On 4/8/2021 at 4:11 PM, Darc_Requiem said:

Buff Police Waifu DLC!? I mean cool SOR4 is getting DLC

@Phantom_Miria Great minds think alike 

Edited Friday at 08:39 PM by Darc_Requiem