YourFavGrandpa Posted October 14, 2020 Share Posted October 14, 2020 (edited) The thread is coming up on 4 years strong soon. The thread is almost ready to go to Pre-K, but their aunt left a tablet on the floor; and somehow they were able to find and watch Skibidi Toilet, over and over again. The only thing that was left of the aunt’s appearance was a destroyed Humane AI Pin. Edited September 24 by YourFavGrandpa who are you, my fucking mother? Quote Link to comment
misterBee Posted October 14, 2020 Share Posted October 14, 2020 Haven't found any really good deals or stuff I really need. Guess I'll be good this year and just save my money... Hawkingbird 1 Quote Link to comment
Hawkingbird Posted October 14, 2020 Share Posted October 14, 2020 I had a fist full of money hoping to walk away with some tech but nothing I actually wanted went on sale. I brought a new mouse but that's it. Hope black Friday in six weeks will give me stuff I actually want. Quote Link to comment
YourFavGrandpa Posted October 14, 2020 Author Share Posted October 14, 2020 My total Prime Day haul was a new Fire tablet for the missus, in that Plum color. I'm more than likely done until November 1st, when I've got to pay for a lot of FGC stuff my wife has asked for this year. She's asked for some new stuff from Junk Food Arcades along with the parts to put something together, and stick art. I have an artist in mind for the art, and he does want to take the commission on. It's just the matter of having the money together to do both at the same time, is all. misterBee 1 Quote Link to comment
Hawkingbird Posted October 16, 2020 Share Posted October 16, 2020 Budget phones are stepping their game up This is honestly impressive for a $200 phone. Quote Link to comment
YourFavGrandpa Posted October 16, 2020 Author Share Posted October 16, 2020 2 minutes ago, Hawkingbird said: Budget phones are stepping their game up This is honestly impressive for a $200 phone. I watched that as well. He was paid by the phone company to provide coverage of it and they sent additional phones for him to give away on social media. It's an okay phone, not good, not bad, definitely not great; just okay. Quote Link to comment
Hawkingbird Posted October 16, 2020 Share Posted October 16, 2020 17 minutes ago, YourFavGrandpa said: I watched that as well. He was paid by the phone company to provide coverage of it and they sent additional phones for him to give away on social media. It's an okay phone, not good, not bad, definitely not great; just okay. It looks like a fine phone to have if someone just want the basics. I might get for one of my young relatives. Quote Link to comment
misterBee Posted October 16, 2020 Share Posted October 16, 2020 I used to only get flagships but now I buy midrange. They are really quite good now. Still wouldn't pay less than 300 though. Once you drop below that you start getting more serious compromises. Something like a Galaxy A51/A71 is as low as I'd go without having to worry about what I'm missing. I'm using S10 Lite right now and it's dope. S20 FE looking good too. If you don't live in the US then Xiaomi/VIVO/Oppo got some really nice midrange phones too. Darc_Requiem and Hawkingbird 1 1 Quote Link to comment
YourFavGrandpa Posted October 16, 2020 Author Share Posted October 16, 2020 2 hours ago, misterBee said: I used to only get flagships but now I buy midrange. They are really quite good now. Still wouldn't pay less than 300 though. Once you drop below that you start getting more serious compromises. Something like a Galaxy A51/A71 is as low as I'd go without having to worry about what I'm missing. I'm using S10 Lite right now and it's dope. S20 FE looking good too. If you don't live in the US then Xiaomi/VIVO/Oppo got some really nice midrange phones too. I have strongly considered importing the Xiaomi Mi 10T, since it's about $600 before shipping from my usual tech spots in Asia. But more than likely I'm jumping ship off of Android and going with an iPhone due to the costs of financing the phone are about half that. Quote Link to comment
misterBee Posted October 16, 2020 Share Posted October 16, 2020 7 minutes ago, YourFavGrandpa said: I have strongly considered importing the Xiaomi Mi 10T, since it's about $600 before shipping from my usual tech spots in Asia. But more than likely I'm jumping ship off of Android and going with an iPhone due to the costs of financing the phone are about half that. I only buy phones outright, so financing is never an option for me anyway. The real issue with Xiaomi for me is that all the phones I'd want from them don't have the appropriate US 4G bands. I used to buy Huawei flagships, which include 4G radios for basically every country in one device -- but their mid-range phones are just like Xiaomi and are missing the US 4G bands also. Now that Huawei is screwed I've ended up with a Samsung. Having lived in Asia I find that the US gets shafted when it comes to phone choice. Asia has WAY more options at a lot of different price points. Quote Link to comment
YourFavGrandpa Posted October 16, 2020 Author Share Posted October 16, 2020 The Mi 10T had most of the bands that the OnePlus 8T has, but yeah; that will take a month to get here Quote Link to comment
Hawkingbird Posted October 16, 2020 Share Posted October 16, 2020 I never had a flagship phone. The three smart phones I've ever owned have been midrange. The One Plus 6T is my current phone. It saddens me One Plus has entered flagship territory with its most current phone. misterBee 1 Quote Link to comment
ajyou003 Posted October 16, 2020 Share Posted October 16, 2020 I was rocking a Pixel 3a but traded it in for the 4a as soon as pre-orders were available. I never have liked the idea of paying exorbitant prices for phones. Value for money is definitely where it's at. Only phone I'm envious of right now is the S20 FE. Hawkingbird and misterBee 2 Quote Link to comment
Hawkingbird Posted October 21, 2020 Share Posted October 21, 2020 Justice department is going after Google. They want to break up the company https://www.ndtv.com/world-news/google-breakup-may-be-needed-to-end-antitrust-law-violations-us-2313313 Quote Link to comment
YourFavGrandpa Posted October 21, 2020 Author Share Posted October 21, 2020 (edited) 2 hours ago, Hawkingbird said: Justice department is going after Google. They want to break up the company https://www.ndtv.com/world-news/google-breakup-may-be-needed-to-end-antitrust-law-violations-us-2313313 The majority of DOJs complaint surrounds the use of Google's search by-default in Safari on iOS. The vast majority of iOS users (present company excluded of course) are lazy as shit and instead of learning how to change the fucking search engine in Safari, they want the govt to step in and break up the whole company because people cannot/will not do anything. FOH with that shit. Edited October 21, 2020 by YourFavGrandpa 😠 Quote Link to comment
Hawkingbird Posted October 21, 2020 Share Posted October 21, 2020 1 hour ago, YourFavGrandpa said: The majority of DOJs complaint surrounds the use of Google's search by-default in Safari on iOS. The vast majority of iOS users (present company excluded of course) are lazy as shit and instead of learning how to change the fucking search engine in Safari, they want the govt to step in and break up the whole company because people cannot/will not do anything. FOH with that shit. Google adspace is thrown in there too. Why would anyone change the search engine? What does it better than google? Do people even know Yahoo still exists? Bing is trash and no amount of forced integration on Microsoft part will get anyone to use it. Quote Link to comment
YourFavGrandpa Posted October 21, 2020 Author Share Posted October 21, 2020 1 minute ago, Hawkingbird said: Why would anyone change the search engine? What does it better than google? Do people even know Yahoo still exists? Bing is trash and no amount of forced integration on Microsoft part will get anyone to use it. From what I think (again, personal opinion): Apple has to have more than one option as well for web search in Safari, because limiting the amount of options available can inherently seem like anti-competitive behavior, which in turn can have the DOJs anti-trust lawyers rubbing their hands like Birdman. I'm surprised Apple hasn't been hit with a similar lawsuit over locking iOS down to the singular App Store, or Apple refusing to put backdoors in iOS for law enforcement. It will be very interesting how this plays out as well; especially if the anti-trust case is ruled in favor of the DOJ and Google is required to spin off those sections of their company. Quote Link to comment
Hawkingbird Posted October 21, 2020 Share Posted October 21, 2020 5 minutes ago, YourFavGrandpa said: From what I think (again, personal opinion): Apple has to have more than one option as well for web search in Safari, because limiting the amount of options available can inherently seem like anti-competitive behavior, which in turn can have the DOJs anti-trust lawyers rubbing their hands like Birdman. I'm surprised Apple hasn't been hit with a similar lawsuit over locking iOS down to the singular App Store, or Apple refusing to put backdoors in iOS for law enforcement. It will be very interesting how this plays out as well; especially if the anti-trust case is ruled in favor of the DOJ and Google is required to spin off those sections of their company. DoJ case against Google isn't centered around iOS. It's the fact that Google has 90% of the market share. The platform doesn't factor into that. Apple is definitely in DoJ crosshairs when it comes to their app store. The DoJ brought in the CEOs of Apple, Google, Amazon and Facebook to defend their respective companies business practices as they feel they hold monopolies in their respective markets like two months ago. I'm surprised that Google is getting this kind of heat before Facebook. DarkSakul and Darc_Requiem 2 Quote Link to comment
YourFavGrandpa Posted October 22, 2020 Author Share Posted October 22, 2020 6 hours ago, Hawkingbird said: DoJ case against Google isn't centered around iOS. It's the fact that Google has 90% of the market share. The platform doesn't factor into that. Apple is definitely in DoJ crosshairs when it comes to their app store. The DoJ brought in the CEOs of Apple, Google, Amazon and Facebook to defend their respective companies business practices as they feel they hold monopolies in their respective markets like two months ago. I'm surprised that Google is getting this kind of heat before Facebook. I do apologize, typical old man kneejerk reaction stuff. I did read a piece earlier from Barron's regarding the nature of the complaint that broke it down a lot better. The piece also stated that close to 35% of Google's overall search traffic requests this past year was from iOS if I remember the article correctly. (if that is indeed the case, then the following meme definitely applies): Darc_Requiem 1 Quote Link to comment
YourFavGrandpa Posted October 24, 2020 Author Share Posted October 24, 2020 So, as I promised in the VGG thread in General Discussion; some more details about the Stadia controller and a general wot I think after about 30 days with it: Very Good/Good: Ease of setup (initial setup was basically open the Stadia app, update the controller once, enter the pair code) Very minimal latency on my end (I know from actual reviews, this is the most complained about part of the controller. Launched Destiny 2, and went into the Whisper activity for my test, and it was alright). YMMV, especially with more mainstream broadband providers (Comcast/Spectrum/et al). Also tried it with Battle For The Grid as well, there was a perceived movement and combo delay (if I had to guess, anywhere from 1-5f) Controller feels great in the hand and the DPad is pretty good. It's not Switch Pro great feeling, but it's a very good first attempt at a controller by Google. Bad/Very Bad/Turrible: No controller memory at all in the phone app/website (meaning there's probably no controller id that can be saved) You have to enter the pair code every time before you can play (universal pair code is Y,X,Down,X) If you're into competitive multiplayer games, Stadia's matchmaking system is godawful because of how few people are using the service. You're investing into technology that Google could potentially kill off if it doesn't work out. Quote Link to comment
misterBee Posted October 25, 2020 Share Posted October 25, 2020 4 hours ago, YourFavGrandpa said: So, as I promised in the VGG thread in General Discussion; some more details about the Stadia controller and a general wot I think after about 30 days with it: Very Good/Good: Ease of setup (initial setup was basically open the Stadia app, update the controller once, enter the pair code) Very minimal latency on my end (I know from actual reviews, this is the most complained about part of the controller. Launched Destiny 2, and went into the Whisper activity for my test, and it was alright). YMMV, especially with more mainstream broadband providers (Comcast/Spectrum/et al). Also tried it with Battle For The Grid as well, there was a perceived movement and combo delay (if I had to guess, anywhere from 1-5f) Controller feels great in the hand and the DPad is pretty good. It's not Switch Pro great feeling, but it's a very good first attempt at a controller by Google. Bad/Very Bad/Turrible: No controller memory at all in the phone app/website (meaning there's probably no controller id that can be saved) You have to enter the pair code every time before you can play (universal pair code is Y,X,Down,X) If you're into competitive multiplayer games, Stadia's matchmaking system is godawful because of how few people are using the service. You're investing into technology that Google could potentially kill off if it doesn't work out. Does the pad work on its own as an xinput controller? I like the pad but don't really care about the service. Quote Link to comment
YourFavGrandpa Posted October 25, 2020 Author Share Posted October 25, 2020 6 minutes ago, misterBee said: Does the pad work on its own as an xinput controller? I like the pad but don't really care about the service. I will check into that very soon and let you know. I think with this post here, we surpassed the total amount of posts in this thread that were at the other place overall. misterBee and Darc_Requiem 2 Quote Link to comment
Darc_Requiem Posted October 29, 2020 Share Posted October 29, 2020 @YourFavGrandpaThanks for the insights into the Stadia controller. Honestly I think Stadia itself is a dead man walking. Say what you will about MS, but they've approached the situation properly. Whether you like physical, digital, streaming, or a subscription service they've got something for you. Google, I just don't know what they were thinking with Stadia. Quote Link to comment
YourFavGrandpa Posted November 15, 2020 Author Share Posted November 15, 2020 (edited) On 10/24/2020 at 9:26 PM, misterBee said: Does the pad work on its own as an xinput controller? I like the pad but don't really care about the service. Sorry for taking so long with this. Been busy as fuck with work. So the good news: Stadia Controller does come up as a XInput controller (and is viewable/testable in joy.cpl). All buttons and everything work fine. Working along that theory, it could probably be used on PC (and Steam/everywhere else) without connecting to Google's servers. Keep in mind, you would probably have to do the initial firmware update for the controller, but that would be all that's needed. Edit: DPad doesn't work in joy.cpl, analog sticks do. Edited November 15, 2020 by YourFavGrandpa blah misterBee 1 Quote Link to comment
YourFavGrandpa Posted November 22, 2020 Author Share Posted November 22, 2020 (edited) Current technology deals for Black Friday (that I've seen): Airpods Pro @ Walmart for $200 Google Store has various deals, including a powder blue Pixel 5 Amazon - nothing yet Best Buy - all kinda shit (personal favorites include a 1TB Samsung SSD for $100, 400gb Nintendo-themed MicroSD card for $60) Edited November 22, 2020 by YourFavGrandpa blah Darc_Requiem 1 Quote Link to comment
Hawkingbird Posted November 22, 2020 Share Posted November 22, 2020 I brought a Facebook Portal mini for my mom. Best Buy got them on sale for $65 on Black Friday. I got it so we can facetime easier with my sister and my aunts who she frequently video calls. I rather not let a Facebook camera in the house but she's a heavy WhatApp user. misterBee and DarkSakul 2 Quote Link to comment
YourFavGrandpa Posted November 25, 2020 Author Share Posted November 25, 2020 (edited) On 11/22/2020 at 1:37 PM, Hawkingbird said: I brought a Facebook Portal mini for my mom. Best Buy got them on sale for $65 on Black Friday. I got it so we can facetime easier with my sister and my aunts who she frequently video calls. I rather not let a Facebook camera in the house but she's a heavy WhatApp user. With Facebook's bullshit going on, I'd rather not bring a damn camera that belongs to them into my house. My daughter-in-law's house sure, but not my fucking house! Also have tentatively decided on a new phone, since the missus is getting a pretty hefty EOY bonus this year. Have decided on getting either a 256gb iPhone 12 Max; or I'm gonna ball out and say fuck it and get the 512gb. I've gotten beyond frustrated with my OnePlus phone, since unlocking the bootloader also cripples your access to Google Pay. Had Magisk working on the phone until about a month ago; when Google updated the detection methods and bodied Magisk. Edited November 25, 2020 by YourFavGrandpa blah Quote Link to comment
YourFavGrandpa Posted December 19, 2020 Author Share Posted December 19, 2020 Buying stuff for this new iPhone is a lot different from when I bought my 8 Plus, almost two years ago. When I got that phone originally, I spent so much money on accessories at the carrier store, and I really didn't know any better between the carrier store accessories, and that it is infinitely easier (and cheaper) to purchase the accessories prior to buying the phone on Amazon and the like. The only things I'm really missing now are a larger charging pad (wanted the missus and I to have a dedicated spot to set our phones down every night and charge), and either a wireless charger/phone holder for the car for her and I to each have. Oh, and a(n) updated Yubikey. Quote Link to comment
misterBee Posted December 21, 2020 Share Posted December 21, 2020 On 12/19/2020 at 3:43 PM, YourFavGrandpa said: Buying stuff for this new iPhone is a lot different from when I bought my 8 Plus, almost two years ago. When I got that phone originally, I spent so much money on accessories at the carrier store, and I really didn't know any better between the carrier store accessories, and that it is infinitely easier (and cheaper) to purchase the accessories prior to buying the phone on Amazon and the like. The only things I'm really missing now are a larger charging pad (wanted the missus and I to have a dedicated spot to set our phones down every night and charge), and either a wireless charger/phone holder for the car for her and I to each have. Oh, and a(n) updated Yubikey. I have yet to be sold on wireless charging. I used it on my Palm Pre back in 2011 and it worked fine but I never felt like it was something I really needed. I'm more interested in qi-compatible wireless mice -- if I've got to recharge my mouse I'd prefer to use a qi charging mat instead of plugging it in/using a proprietary dock. Quote Link to comment
YourFavGrandpa Posted December 22, 2020 Author Share Posted December 22, 2020 3 hours ago, misterBee said: I have yet to be sold on wireless charging. I used it on my Palm Pre back in 2011 and it worked fine but I never felt like it was something I really needed. I like to have it personally so I don't have to have a power brick and cord running from my power strip across my table to charge my phone. OnePlus finally gave in and allowed wireless charging, but it's only on the 8 Pro; and their wireless charging spec (Warp Charge WIreless 30) can only be accomplished with their wireless charger, and is not an default standard; so you're stuck with their one if you want to have your battery topped off fairly quickly. Quote Link to comment
YourFavGrandpa Posted December 27, 2020 Author Share Posted December 27, 2020 Wife gave her okay earlier, so I've placed my order with T-Mobile for a iPhone 12 Pro Max. Should be here after I return from mini-vacation. misterBee 1 Quote Link to comment
YourFavGrandpa Posted December 30, 2020 Author Share Posted December 30, 2020 (edited) Not even gonna lie, this is really dope. Edited December 30, 2020 by YourFavGrandpa blah Darc_Requiem 1 Quote Link to comment
misterBee Posted December 30, 2020 Share Posted December 30, 2020 7 minutes ago, YourFavGrandpa said: Not even gonna lie, this is really dope. Boston Dynamics loves making their robots dance: DarkSakul 1 Quote Link to comment
YourFavGrandpa Posted January 1, 2021 Author Share Posted January 1, 2021 I've been using my iPhone 12 Pro Max for a couple of days now, so here's my initial impressions of the phone: 1.) Holy fuck is this thing big (*cue that's what she said jokes here*) 2.) Battery has been a fucking champ, it took a full day almost to run the battery down to 20%. Battery took just over an hour to charge back up to 100%. 3.) Outside of one minor issue with my bank (over verification), I have all of my debit/credit cards entered and can be readily used in Apple Pay. 4.) Camera is fucking ace. The camera combined with something like Halide means that I'm going to be taking a lot more pictures of my grandkids. 5.) Everything is fast as fuck. Really the only thing left for Apple to do with their mobile devices would be to put in high-refresh rate screens (I'm locked in for 2 years, so I will not be updating to the 2021 iPhone). Quote Link to comment
DarkSakul Posted January 2, 2021 Share Posted January 2, 2021 (edited) Funny how everyone getting upset Flash is no longer supported, but when this was first enounced 2 years ago most people's replies where they don't even use Flash any more. There is the ruffle Flash Player emulator, which the Home Star Runner website runs on now. Edited January 2, 2021 by DarkSakul Quote Link to comment
YourFavGrandpa Posted January 2, 2021 Author Share Posted January 2, 2021 5 minutes ago, DarkSakul said: Home Star Runner website runs on now. Wait, that site is still around? Quote Link to comment
DarkSakul Posted January 2, 2021 Share Posted January 2, 2021 Oh yeah, Homestar Runner still around. They are slowly upgrading everything for a while over to Ruffle, but they are also converting alot of the cartoons over to Video on You Tube as well. The menu's work now on Homestar as well, but not all the games yet as Ruffle is still in Development. The Brothers Chap haven't been as active as they both work in the Animation Industry. I know Matt Chapman worked on Season 1 of Gravity Falls for Disney. I also know one of the biggest supporters of Ruffle has been Newgrounds, they are listed as a Diamond level sponsor to the project. Quote Link to comment
misterBee Posted January 3, 2021 Share Posted January 3, 2021 11 hours ago, DarkSakul said: Oh yeah, Homestar Runner still around. They are slowly upgrading everything for a while over to Ruffle, but they are also converting alot of the cartoons over to Video on You Tube as well. The menu's work now on Homestar as well, but not all the games yet as Ruffle is still in Development. The Brothers Chap haven't been as active as they both work in the Animation Industry. I know Matt Chapman worked on Season 1 of Gravity Falls for Disney. I also know one of the biggest supporters of Ruffle has been Newgrounds, they are listed as a Diamond level sponsor to the project. Does any work need to be done to convert to Ruffle? Seems like Ruffle is just a flash player substitute/emulator. I assume old .swfs will work fine without modification. Quote Link to comment
YourFavGrandpa Posted January 10, 2021 Author Share Posted January 10, 2021 On 1/8/2021 at 12:14 AM, DarkSakul said: You've doomed us all to failure by posting Comic Sans MS-DOS. Quote Link to comment
Hawkingbird Posted January 13, 2021 Share Posted January 13, 2021 Razer is in the face mask business now https://www.theverge.com/2021/1/12/22221344/razer-project-hazel-n95-respirator-mask-coronavirus-chroma-rgb-concept Quote Link to comment
misterBee Posted January 13, 2021 Share Posted January 13, 2021 16 hours ago, Hawkingbird said: Razer is in the face mask business now https://www.theverge.com/2021/1/12/22221344/razer-project-hazel-n95-respirator-mask-coronavirus-chroma-rgb-concept If it saves lighting profiles onboard than it's already better than most of their recent mice. 😔 Hawkingbird 1 Quote Link to comment
YourFavGrandpa Posted January 14, 2021 Author Share Posted January 14, 2021 3 hours ago, misterBee said: If it saves lighting profiles onboard than it's already better than most of their recent mice. I'm screaming over here. So I found out my wife is intentionally stonewalling my purchase of a Apple Watch SE. Before I bought my 12 Pro Max, I did contact Apple and ask if the Fitness+ content could be put on another TV via Airplay; that's a big ol' nope. Have to pony up for an Apple TV as well to get the full use out of it. Quote Link to comment
YourFavGrandpa Posted January 17, 2021 Author Share Posted January 17, 2021 (edited) For those of you who are so inclined: Samsung S21 Android Phone Lineup The S21 Ultra is really nice, and does have some really nice and updated features compared to my 12 Pro Max. If Google wasn't on my shitlist for the contactless payment stuff with my OnePlus, I would have maybe picked this over what I have now. I also like that Samsung brought out a Tile competitor in the SmartTag, but $30 for a Bluetooth LE tag that only works with Samsung phones; makes this an immediate no go for me; not because of it only working with Samsung phones. Would I like for this to have been OS agnostic? Sure! But Tile is pretty much the gold standard for these at this point, and short of Tile being bought by Samsung or Apple (moreso Apple); I am looking at buying one of the Tile smart tags over Samsung's offering or Apple's rumored offering, just to help me keep up with keys. Edited January 17, 2021 by YourFavGrandpa blah Quote Link to comment
misterBee Posted January 20, 2021 Share Posted January 20, 2021 Rebuilt my main keyboard with silent switches. The old ones were keeping my sister awake at night. 🙃 GH60Satan PCB Durock 62g Silent Linears KBDFans 5° case Hawkingbird 1 Quote Link to comment
YourFavGrandpa Posted January 20, 2021 Author Share Posted January 20, 2021 I have some Hako True switches being delivered soon, can't wait to try them! misterBee 1 Quote Link to comment
YourFavGrandpa Posted January 21, 2021 Author Share Posted January 21, 2021 7 hours ago, misterBee said: Rebuilt my main keyboard with silent switches. The old ones were keeping my sister awake at night. 🙃 GH60Satan PCB Durock 62g Silent Linears KBDFans 5° case What switches did you end up going with, if I may ask? Quote Link to comment
misterBee Posted January 21, 2021 Share Posted January 21, 2021 48 minutes ago, YourFavGrandpa said: What switches did you end up going with, if I may ask? Haha I wrote it right at the top of the post: 7 hours ago, misterBee said: GH60Satan PCB Durock 62g Silent Linears KBDFans 5° case Quote Link to comment
YourFavGrandpa Posted January 21, 2021 Author Share Posted January 21, 2021 I must not have had my glasses on last night when I did that quote ... misterBee 1 Quote Link to comment
YourFavGrandpa Posted January 23, 2021 Author Share Posted January 23, 2021 Update on my keyboard switches: They're not being delivered on Monday. They're being delivered today, like in a couple hours from now if anything. So after I get back from taking our cat to the vet here after while, I'll pull my dark yellows out and put those in. Normally, I pull my keycaps completely off, then put the new switches on. I'll probably replace them a row at a time. Hawkingbird 1 Quote Link to comment
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