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FRAME DATA

Here are the two most popular websites for frame data:

http://ensabahnur.free.fr/BastonNew/index.php

http://gr.qee.jp/01_3rd/index.html

 

The former is referred to as Baston, or ESN for short.

The latter is referred to as Game Restaurant, or GR for short.

I will be using these abbreviations from here on.

 

"Why are there 2 frame data websites?"

ESN is easily digestible, contains a feature where you can individually see every frame of every move that's available, show hitboxes more conveniently and show the cancellable properties (can you cancel into specials and supers, and, if so, when?). All in all, ESN is the quick and casual way to get a good deal of information. It should be noted, however, that some information on ESN is factually incorrect. This includes normals, specials, supers, etc. Some are fairly obvious, but others may show an incorrect frame dis/advantage, and in a game as dependent on player knowledge as 3rd Strike, that can spell the end.

GR is less commonly used since it's in Japanese, but as far as qualitative, reliable and thorough research goes, it's unparalleled. GR not only includes frame data, but, more importantly contains extra information about the mechanics of the game, the mechanics behind characters, the strengths they play into and more. If ESN is the Oxford Dictionary, GR is an encyclopedia. 

 

"When do I use either?"

If you're confused enough to ask that question, then that means you don't have much experience, which is good. You'll have a more concrete way to start if you identify this lack of experience early on. I suggest starting with ESN to find the numerical information you need. When you inevitably form a game plan in response to the information you collect, test it out in training mode. If you reach a reliable conclusion, that's great! If not, there might be something else at play, like pushback. Or maybe it's something more subversive. Then I would recommend checking GR, and if you find the information you're looking for, you'll be able to inform your game better. If you're still confused, reach out! I will link communities with active strong players below, and there is also a Q/A thread up on Megashock for this game. Happy hunting!

 

 

COMMUNITIES

There is a healthy Twitter community for this game. A good start is to follow these accounts, and then look for those 3rd Strike players that they, in turn, follow:

https://twitter.com/TheJazzyCircuit

https://twitter.com/acslayer3s

https://twitter.com/KD_Alpha

https://twitter.com/yybroom

 

If you want a more quality-oriented community experience, there are many 3rd Strike character Discords. I will not be linking these, both because the list would be too expansive, and some are private. Don't be discouraged, though! Simply ask, and you will probably be added. Ask around. Instead, here is the main 3rd Strike hub on Discord:

https://discord.gg/Upnvun4SjV

 

These places have the most active people, and are good places to start integrating yourself into the community, which will open up paths to joining sub-communities that may be more pertinent to your interests and learning curve for the game.

 

 

VIDEO RESOURCES

There are awesome YouTube and Twitch channels for 3rd Strike content.

 

I'll start off with YouTube. These channels will be both informative and will contain gameplay to watch on your own time. I know that I personally spend nearly a full working week watching and rewatching their videos since I find them so thorough and informative. I highly recommend subscribing to most, if not all, of the channels.

https://www.youtube.com/user/Sf3lp

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCcpPdn-PzGeQodVc8STGtwA

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCnO73ARPig3zAV6nw05oIxw

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCWG_HcGF6Pxnwh2uKoHy3OA

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCqxR4n8HxplgjxmTBcyxEuw

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC2S1_jVF3Jmf7VB7dFuAlwQ

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCZfiFUJOCdtgYiLUaohP9Bg

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCuhrs1TDAAhCMxFfMjPtJgw

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCCvH0tVti3OsMp8Hz7Cl0tA

 

Here are some Twitch resources:

https://www.twitch.tv/mutantxperience

https://www.twitch.tv/araki_sf3rdstrike

https://www.twitch.tv/wadupneem

https://www.twitch.tv/jmotivemu

https://www.twitch.tv/cactuken

https://www.twitch.tv/kofiend

https://www.twitch.tv/exodus3rd

https://www.twitch.tv/typeg

https://www.twitch.tv/amagimon

https://www.twitch.tv/nica_ko

https://www.twitch.tv/drsteelhammer3s

 

 

EXTRA INFORMATION

https://pastebin.com/FN0M032X - A write-up by Ryukendan on the mechanics of 3rd Strike.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cQEB1QFnusw - A video on anti-airs in 3rd Strike. If you are confused about the jump-in game in 3S, here's your guide.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7xb2AeqKjmg - Basic option selects in 3rd Strike. Very, very strong as a resource.

http://toaru3rdno.blog.fc2.com/ - Shie's blog on 3rd Strike. A Japanese resource that discusses the basest and deepest aspects of the game. Shie is a top 3rd Strike player, most notable for his insane Ken.

 

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/12RoIYLmaFOVSf3igMgGPlLtcunto-8xVdvyK1e6YhYI/edit#gid=0 - This is Artour's spreadsheet that contains all the Extra Information above and more. This is the spreadsheet located in the #resources channel of the main 3rd Strike community I linked above, so it's passable through high standards and is being updated as necessary too.

 

Feel free to suggest more information to be added when it comes up. I will edit this post (if I can) in the future, adding more stuff if I feel it's necessary. I hope this is a good starting point.

 

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I’ve got the itch to dig back into 3S and maybe take it a bit more seriously than I had been. Also, I want to main Ibuki this time around, so I’m going to have to relearn things a bit (plus it’s been a good 6 months or so since I played).

 

These links will come in handy. Thanks again @Dayaan!

 

oh, actually, another question I’ve been meaning to ask; is FC2 still the best way to play?

 

I’ll likely do a lot of my labbing/playing on PS5 30A,  but the playerbase on there is very hit or miss.

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23 hours ago, Mattatsu said:

I’ve got the itch to dig back into 3S and maybe take it a bit more seriously than I had been. Also, I want to main Ibuki this time around, so I’m going to have to relearn things a bit (plus it’s been a good 6 months or so since I played).

 

These links will come in handy. Thanks again @Dayaan!

 

oh, actually, another question I’ve been meaning to ask; is FC2 still the best way to play?

 

I’ll likely do a lot of my labbing/playing on PS5 30A,  but the playerbase on there is very hit or miss.

FC2 is the "best" way to play online atm. That's where the largest playerbase is, and also where a lot of the top players are. 30th is out of the question, and OE lacks the players. You'd be better off playing with us on that platform. I'm glad to help you get back into the game again. Any questions or replays that you want me to address aren't a problem, and I can get you in touch with strong players on that front too. I'm always a Discord voice call away! Oh, but you already knew that...

 

Happy hunting!

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5 hours ago, Dayaan said:

FC2 is the "best" way to play online atm. That's where the largest playerbase is, and also where a lot of the top players are. 30th is out of the question, and OE lacks the players. You'd be better off playing with us on that platform. I'm glad to help you get back into the game again. Any questions or replays that you want me to address aren't a problem, and I can get you in touch with strong players on that front too. I'm always a Discord voice call away! Oh, but you already knew that...

 

Happy hunting!

Thanks Dayaan! I’ll reach out to you for games, but have no idea when since I’m so bloody busy these days and I’d like to get a good handle on her before playing online

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On 7/15/2021 at 1:43 PM, Dayaan said:

FC2 is the "best" way to play online atm. That's where the largest playerbase is, and also where a lot of the top players are. 30th is out of the question, and OE lacks the players. You'd be better off playing with us on that platform. I'm glad to help you get back into the game again. Any questions or replays that you want me to address aren't a problem, and I can get you in touch with strong players on that front too. I'm always a Discord voice call away! Oh, but you already knew that...

 

Happy hunting!

Why is the 30th anniversary version so bad? I used to play on fightcade 1 and it felt not quite as good compared to OE, at least to me. 

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15 hours ago, DoctaMario said:

Why is the 30th anniversary version so bad? I used to play on fightcade 1 and it felt not quite as good compared to OE, at least to me. 

FC1 was definitely worse than OE for a myriad of reasons. FC1 was really bad. Fair judgement to make.

 

30th has training mode limitations, and the best way to play offline is through arcade mode, and there are a bunch of other things. 30th's main issues include input delay and how that interacts with Windows and V-Sync and netcode. Additionally, it's paid, while FC2 is free. Oh and the lobbies. Even when they work and don't glitch out, they're terrible. There is no Devil's Advocate to be played here. They're trash.

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2 hours ago, Dayaan said:

FC1 was definitely worse than OE for a myriad of reasons. FC1 was really bad. Fair judgement to make.

 

30th has training mode limitations, and the best way to play offline is through arcade mode, and there are a bunch of other things. 30th's main issues include input delay and how that interacts with Windows and V-Sync and netcode. Additionally, it's paid, while FC2 is free. Oh and the lobbies. Even when they work and don't glitch out, they're terrible. There is no Devil's Advocate to be played here. They're trash.

Gotcha. Yeah I haven't tried FC2 but 1 was pretty rough. Shame they haven't ported OE because that seemed to be the version everyone who wasn't a total arcade purist could agree on. 

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7 minutes ago, DoctaMario said:

that seemed to be the version everyone who wasn't a total arcade purist could agree on. 

More out of necessity than consensus, but yes, you are correct.

 

FC2 is ok. I don't enjoy playing on it mostly, but it's the only way, so I suck it up.

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6 minutes ago, Dayaan said:

More out of necessity than consensus, but yes, you are correct.

 

FC2 is ok. I don't enjoy playing on it mostly, but it's the only way, so I suck it up.

I started to feel the same about FC with SamSho 5 Special after I got good enough at the game to know the difference between a good version and a worse one, especially because there are a lot of input drops on FC and FBA doesn't emulate neo Geo games all that well. I still play it because I don't really care as much anymore, but when I was playing competitively, PSN was my platform of choice. 

 

That said, seems like 3s players have always argued about the best version to play. I know the difference between playing the game on a cab vs playing OE or FC, but there were some players who were so die hard about playing on a cab who didn't live in Japan that I could t understand dying on that hill unless you had access to one here and  competition to go with it. I'd rather play other people on a slightly inferior version than be stuck playing by myself on the "best" one. 

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1 hour ago, DoctaMario said:

That said, seems like 3s players have always argued about the best version to play. I know the difference between playing the game on a cab vs playing OE or FC, but there were some players who were so die hard about playing on a cab who didn't live in Japan that I could t understand dying on that hill unless you had access to one here and  competition to go with it. I'd rather play other people on a slightly inferior version than be stuck playing by myself on the "best" one. 

I understand where you're coming from and what you're saying is totally valid. Being in those circles makes me understand why they're saying that, and the reasoning is deeper than I'd like to get into, but my point is they also have valid reasons. Personally all I play is online on FC because that's all I can physically manage, so I'm on both sides of the fence here. 

 

But you should always play whatever you want, whenever you want. Cab IS the best way to play. Online IS the best way to play the most people. These are simply facts. What you choose to do with them is YOUR prerogative, and I hope that whatever you choose to do, you maximise your fun. That's what the game is all about.

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4 hours ago, Dayaan said:

I understand where you're coming from and what you're saying is totally valid. Being in those circles makes me understand why they're saying that, and the reasoning is deeper than I'd like to get into, but my point is they also have valid reasons. Personally all I play is online on FC because that's all I can physically manage, so I'm on both sides of the fence here. 

 

But you should always play whatever you want, whenever you want. Cab IS the best way to play. Online IS the best way to play the most people. These are simply facts. What you choose to do with them is YOUR prerogative, and I hope that whatever you choose to do, you maximise your fun. That's what the game is all about.

I understand preferring to play on a certain platform, and I agree that it's valid, but I don't understand being unwilling to play on the platforms that have the most players, especially if your chosen platform is one most players don't have access to. There was a player on the SrK 3s boards who, as I recall, would only play on a cab, and he didn't live in Japan but he'd Travel there sometimes, and I always wondered what he did for games when he wasn't in Japan. Seems like that would limit your ability to grow, that's all I'm saying. 

 

some of the best players I've ever played have been folks that only played on Fightcade. 

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Just now, DoctaMario said:

I understand preferring to play on a certain platform, and I agree that it's valid, but I don't understand being unwilling to play on the platforms that have the most players, especially if your chosen platform is one most players don't have access to. There was a player on the SrK 3s boards who, as I recall, would only play on a cab, and he didn't live in Japan but he'd Travel there sometimes, and I always wondered what he did for games when he wasn't in Japan. Seems like that would limit your ability to grow. 

That's probably Yi. Goes by 5Star. He's one of the US's best players. The only people that propagate that mentality are Cali and NY players who regularly meet up and are the best in the country. They grow together because their casuals look like Top 8 at majors. They are the only remaining people who feel this way. And FWIW, sometimes they do get on FC, albeit begrudgingly. 

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2 minutes ago, Dayaan said:

That's probably Yi. Goes by 5Star. He's one of the US's best players. The only people that propagate that mentality are Cali and NY players who regularly meet up and are the best in the country. They grow together because their casuals look like Top 8 at majors. They are the only remaining people who feel this way. And FWIW, sometimes they do get on FC, albeit begrudgingly. 

I want to say he went by Ryan on srk. Been awhile though. 

 

I get it though. I've had SamSho players tell me there are differences between the PSN, Steam, FC1, and FC2 versions of 5Sp and that different things are possible in each of them which hseems wild to me but it makes sense, so I can imagine it might be the same with 3s. 

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I want to say he went by Ryan on srk. Been awhile though. 

Plenty of Ryans on SRK back in the day. Could have been Ryan B who is a Chun Li player. Again one of the best in the country and just won a major tournament last week. Could be Ryan T as in Telesniper who is one of the US's better known Makoto players. Very consistent and strong. Could be Fubar, who also spent/spends time in Japan.

 

These all fall under the category of player I listed. It checks out why they would say the things they were saying, especially back in then with 2DF, GGPO, FC1, etc.

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2 minutes ago, Dayaan said:

Plenty of Ryans on SRK back in the day. Could have been Ryan B who is a Chun Li player. Again one of the best in the country and just won a major tournament last week. Could be Ryan T as in Telesniper who is one of the US's better known Makoto players. Very consistent and strong. Could be Fubar, who also spent/spends time in Japan.

 

These all fall under the category of player I listed. It checks out why they would say the things they were saying, especially back in then with 2DF, GGPO, FC1, etc.

Guess it makes sense that someone who only plays on cab would be among the more serious players. I think it was Ryan B if I remember right

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11 hours ago, DoctaMario said:

Guess it makes sense that someone who only plays on cab would be among the more serious players

You love the game in one way, you're going to play it that way. I didn't get this good (or this bad, I suppose) playing on cab. This is the only way I can play, so of course this is all I can prefer. Like I said, it's up to you. Issei is one of the world's strongest Yuns and he got this good playing on cab in Japan. When he gets online on FC now that he's in the US, he goes fracking in Yankee rears. He's still super strong, and he gets to show it. He's a product of his environment, just like the US's cab players. You won't catch me taking a set off of Yi or James or Van or Frankie or Dan in this decade!

 

Any other questions?

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This thread should probably be more active. It's a lot of good info but also there's some deeper discussion here, better than in the V threads tbh.

 

Dayaan, it's kind of funny, you came up in a private convo recently I was having with Artour (yves). He mentioned your name and I responded that I saw you on Megashock. I wasn't sure it was the same person but it's absolutely got to be, how many 3s playing Dayaan's can there possible be?

 

You must go by a different name on discord though? I don't think I ever saw you in the 3s discord or Yummy Arcade as Dayaan.

 

On the online issue, looks like the discussion is over but I kind of lean towards what you said. There are differences, offline is best but...online is just easier and where you'll find opponents most of the time. Offline is really only possible for limited life circumstances and time, very hard the older you get and in these times too.

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3 hours ago, Serpent said:

Dayaan, it's kind of funny, you came up in a private convo recently I was having with Artour (yves). He mentioned your name and I responded that I saw you on Megashock. I wasn't sure it was the same person but it's absolutely got to be, how many 3s playing Dayaan's can there possible be?

It is. I like Fartour. What did you guys talk about?

 

3 hours ago, Serpent said:

On the online issue, looks like the discussion is over but I kind of lean towards what you said. There are differences, offline is best but...online is just easier and where you'll find opponents most of the time. Offline is really only possible for limited life circumstances and time, very hard the older you get and in these times too.

I don't know, I didn't really have any opinions on it. It was mostly just factual. Play what you want, when you want, however you want?

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51 minutes ago, Dayaan said:

It is. I like Fartour. What did you guys talk about?

 

I don't know, I didn't really have any opinions on it. It was mostly just factual. Play what you want, when you want, however you want?

I had confused the two of you, I thought he was prepping for law school and he said the only 3s player he knew that was going for law school was you. That's it, but since it came up it was one of those "small world" type things.

 

I'm not a big fan of 3s, but I played it for a bit since I knew people that liked it. So I went through a bunch of resources and got matches in, of course including against yves. Some 25 or so hours later (maybe it's been 50+ since the game was released though) while I had an appreciation for the game, it wasn't something I enjoyed so I decided to just stop. The resources though that you listed and are available (and there are a lot more) are just fantastic though. V is new and has similar stuff but I don't know of any other game, especially such an older game, that has the community 3s does with all those resources available.

 

If CvS2 and MvC2 get re-releases, I hope they get something similar. If every FG had the 3s community's passion and resources, FGC probably wouldn't be so niche.

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2 hours ago, Serpent said:

If every FG had the 3s community's passion and resources, FGC probably wouldn't be so niche.

Yeah, because it'd be in news headlines for bigotry, idiocy and the pinnacle of fake news.

 

On a realer note, I'm glad there was an overlap. I'm in the Yummy Arcade and also on the general community server, and always have been, as Dayaan.

 

 

2 hours ago, Serpent said:

it wasn't something I enjoyed so I decided to just stop

Good. You should never play something you don't enjoy. I hope we can run some sets if you do end up coming back for a bit, but self-care is important when it comes to FGs. I hope you find what you need here.

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