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Makrow Level 1

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Another release of VF5? I was hoping after all this time we'd at least get 6. Well at the very least it gives hope that Sega still has interest in the series and if what I've heard of this version being free is true, it'll bring a lot of new eyes towards it.

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HD-Man Level 17

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Never been a VF fan, BUT I also can't say anything is wrong with the games on a technical, just a preference. That said, I hope this game does EXTREMELY well, VF is neccessary to keep the fighting game going strong, we're a niche genre at this point. We need a VF6 like yesterday so I'll definitely buy this for the culture 

 

Plus, I'd like to finally get that VF X Tekken game someday

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Emptyeyes Level 1

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I can't wait to face the top players again, along with other fighting games. I will do what I can, without regrets. It's all about the endless pursuit of progression, regardless of the outcome. The time has come and so have I. 

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GetTheTables Level 9

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The classic ransom technique for one of these releases.

 

Not being a dick: has that ever actually worked? I can't think of any examples off the top of my head but I also don't know that I have followed every instance of it close enough to know.

 

Regardless hopefully PS+ gives this the push it needs. We need more 3D fighters out there. That space is looking weirdly grim right now.

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KingTubb Level 11

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2 minutes ago, Darc_Requiem said:

but my biggest disappointment is with the customization

Have you tried to play a friend yet??

 

Cause you can't. You have to search for them like a kid lost in a Food Lion. You can't search lobby names, player names, nothing. It's baffling that a game release in 2021 makes it that hard to play with a friend. 

 

Netcode is surprisingly decent. I haven't had an unplayable connection thus far. Some stutters every once and awhile, but all and all pretty solid. 

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GetTheTables Level 9

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In fairness this is a re-release of an old ass game that they clearly didn't do a lot of work with. Wouldn't shock me if all of that was the same or nearly so in the last release.

 

In negative fairness yeah they really should have done more than nothing to update that. As Strive has shown us recently the worst thing a FG can do is make it hard to actually play the people you want (or anyone at all in the case of GD duel station errors). 

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Darc_Requiem Level 20

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7 minutes ago, KingTubb said:

Have you tried to play a friend yet??

 

Cause you can't. You have to search for them like a kid lost in a Food Lion. You can't search lobby names, player names, nothing. It's baffling that a game release in 2021 makes it that hard to play with a friend. 

Dubya Tee Eff....seriously. I haven't tried to play friends yet. WTF is this shit man.

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19 minutes ago, GetTheTables said:

Not being a dick: has that ever actually worked? I can't think of any examples off the top of my head but I also don't know that I have followed every instance of it close enough to know.

 

If I recall, The World Ends with You had a situation like this. And now it’s getting a sequel soon. Fire Emblem as well because FE Awakening would have been the last in the series if it didn’t sell.

 

37 minutes ago, Darc_Requiem said:

I know @EvilCanadianmentioned this, but my biggest disappointment is with the customization. For example, you used to be able to give Vanessa her VF4 skin tone. VF5US is pretty barebones.

 

I wouldn’t be surprised that if they separated all of that in packs. People for years have been saying how great VF5’s customs were. So why not put in it 10 dollar packs so they can buy it all the good stuff back?

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1 hour ago, BornWinner said:

If I recall, The World Ends with You had a situation like this. And now it’s getting a sequel soon. Fire Emblem as well because FE Awakening would have been the last in the series if it didn’t sell.

Good point about TWEWY, I forgot about that re-release.

 

Awakening I think of as a different beast, and it sort of illustrates my issue with this "old game as a metric approach": re-releasing old games is great but outside of some corner case scenarios probably isn't going to garner a lot of excitement. I think its worse with FGs: although they can have a much better shelf life (a great FG is as much fun to play now as it was when it was new) anyone that is into that game almost certainly already owns it or otherwise has ways to play it. And when you are coming to an older game you have to know damn well that you are jumping into a shark tank, so you need to be prepared to take your lumps from people who have stuck with the game since ye olden tymes.

 

You're looking to sell to what seems like a thin slice of the Venn diagram - new players to an old game who feel like they are going to like a game enough to push through a rocky start. Always feels like a really rough situation to convert. But as others have said almost certainly the wisdom of pushing it as a PS+ title. That is probably going to increase the amount of people that will at least give it a shot by a few orders of magnitude.

17 minutes ago, KingTubb said:

But it kinda isn’t? It was a full rebuild in a new engine, so they put in some serious work. 
 

until it came to a menu and a search bar. Wild. 

Programmer hat moment: although they rebuilt the game in a new engine, that doesn't necessarily mean that they messed with the bones all that much. Point of fact to keep costs low they almost certainly had a mandate to change as little as was absolutely necessary. Most of what I've seen that they changed is all graphical overhauls, which is very different from getting too deep into the code base (though not that I'm underselling how much work probably went into that, more that it probably was a resource focus).

 

I remember in one of EC's vids he talked about how the training mode is exactly the same or near that to what the VF5FS version was. Anything that didn't involve engine tweaks - such as the wacky dacky way the lobbies sound like they work - was probably able to be ported over nearly 1:1 and so long as it didn't actually break anything they were probably told to do exactly that. Even if the final results are kind of mind boggling. 

 

To be crystal clear: I'm 101% with you on this. But I can also totally see a scenario where they basically have exactly as much time and budget as was available to reskin the game and get it launched digitally. Maybe they have the ability/time/resources to come back and update some stuff like the lobby/player match setup. If nothing else, they need to know that should a VF6 happen they're going to need a better solution in place.

 

No one should think that anyone is okay with another game launching with a Strive lobby. I say this as someone about to buy a 2nd copy of Strive.

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KingTubb Level 11

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35 minutes ago, GetTheTables said:

I'm already used to having to desperately search for my opponent after playing Strive betas.

Not as frustrating, but also a completely different kind of frustration. 

 

STRIVE: Ok, meet me in russia on floor 8 in the top left corner. 

after 7 minutes of trying to actually link up

Finally lets get some games in!

Wins one game, ranks up and is teleported to a new floor

 

VF5US: WHERE THE LIVING FUCK ARE YOU!!! GGGGGAAAAAAAHHHH

after 10 minutes of furious searching you find them and it's fine

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HD-Man Level 17

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So I'm not the only VF newbie that notices Jean looks like Sephiroth, dresses like Ken & fights like a Mishima. He's definitely one of the ones I'll try to learn 🤣

 

I'll stick to him and Goh for now, try to learn the fundamentals then maybe a 3rd

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On 6/3/2021 at 5:24 PM, KingTubb said:

But it kinda isn’t? It was a full rebuild in a new engine, so they put in some serious work. 
 

until it came to a menu and a search bar. Wild. 

Is that right? I've heard it's basically the old game, old engine, etc just with nicer textures. From what I keep hearing they did this shit on a shoestring budget, or at least it comes off this way. Haven't tried it yet tho. 

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Darc_Requiem Level 20

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10 minutes ago, DoctaMario said:

Is that right? I've heard it's basically the old game, old engine, etc just with nicer textures. From what I keep hearing they did this shit on a shoestring budget, or at least it comes off this way. Haven't tried it yet tho. 

Who ever told you that was greatly mistaken. The Yakuza team rebuilt VF5 in the Dragon Engine. That's the current engine for the Yakuza series that the started using with Yakuza 6. The assets, models, background, textures, etc. are all new. I don't doubt the there was a limited budget. I think that's why the customization options are so limited as they'd have to remodel all of the customizations options and there a ridiculous amount of those. Still disappointed by the customization but I was honestly expecting it to be scaled back when I found out the game wasn't an upscaled port.

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4 hours ago, Darc_Requiem said:

Who ever told you that was greatly mistaken. The Yakuza team rebuilt VF5 in the Dragon Engine. That's the current engine for the Yakuza series that the started using with Yakuza 6. The assets, models, background, textures, etc. are all new. I don't doubt the there was a limited budget. I think that's why the customization options are so limited as they'd have to remodel all of the customizations options and there a ridiculous amount of those. Still disappointed by the customization but I was honestly expecting it to be scaled back when I found out the game wasn't an upscaled port.

Is this the port they hid within one of the Yakuza games? 

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8 hours ago, DoctaMario said:

Is this the port they hid within one of the Yakuza games? 

The VF5 that's been in Yakuza and Judgment is Final Showdown. It's the original version of the game with the old character models, old textures, and old backgrounds. The games is Yakuza are basically emulated versions of the originals. That was what was so impressive about Yakuza, you go to the arcade and are literally playing the arcade version of those games. I have a Final Showdown on 360 and the difference between it and Ultimate Showdown on PS4 is substantial.

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KingTubb Level 11

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10 hours ago, DoctaMario said:

Is this the port they hid within one of the Yakuza games?

Na, that was literally the 360 version of FS. Like Darc has been saying, this is a full rebuild in a new engine. 
 

The more I think about it, it’s a pretty sick deal. An amazing game with modern graphics for only $30 at launch. I don’t mind that it’s missing some features, and the netcode really is actually good. It’s honestly better than T7’s and SFV’s rollback. 
 

btw, anyone want games today? Hopefully my wife doesn’t make me do shit all day 

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KingTubb Level 11

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I really hope the player base sticks around. 

 

Strive is gonna take a big chunk out, but I'm hoping that sega has at least a few people working to support this project. 

 

Adding an invite or search function to the lobbies would be huge if that happens this summer. 

 

But, on the plus side, in July when most people have either moved on to strive, back to tekken, or got bored of their "free" game, I won't need to have an invite system cause there will only be like 15 lobbies at any given time anyway

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GetTheTables Level 9

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Yeah there is going to be a fair bit of fair weather player transitioning when Strive comes out, but TBH I think that happens whenever a new FG comes out. Everyone flocks to it for a bit and then they settle back on whatever they enjoy. Maybe it is the new thing, maybe it is the old thing. Its always fun to dip into a FG when it is new and no one really knows what is going on.

 

Given how particular 3D fighters/VF is I feel like the core of that game isn't going anywhere. Like for me I prefer 2D fighters so whenever one of those comes out I'm usually willing to give it a shot for a bit, less so for 3D fighters. It wouldn't surprise me if the legit VF fanbase is exactly the opposite. And of course the hardcore VFers aren't going anywhere.

 

This one is definitely a bit weirder due to VF5US being PS+ so the player base is going to have been way bigger than it would have been otherwise. I did see at least one tweet about Sega doing some support for this so hopefully they can polish up the lobby/player match system to be an actual system as opposed to Marco Polo that ends in fisticuffs. 

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1 hour ago, GetTheTables said:

I did see at least one tweet about Sega doing some support for this so hopefully they can polish up the lobby/player match system to be an actual system as opposed to Marco Polo that ends in fisticuffs. 

Seriously, it's easily the worst part of the game.

 

On some good news, I guess the Japanese netplay experience has been abysmal, which means Sega will actually look into it. 

 

I guess they sorta messed up with server placement so a lot of western Japan is getting shafted pretty hard. 

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