The Street Fighter VI Story Thread: Shadaloo Died so Luke Could Live!

[Tatsuroko]

1 hour ago, Daemos said:

Capcom admitting that they mishandled Necalli isn’t evidence for him being the main villain. Necalli was a jobber from the beginning. Even in future character stories like Akuma and Boxer he remained a jobber.

 

 

So you're saying everyone in the writing team was perfectly fine with Necalli the way he was and they weren't even attempting to figure out any alternative way (in spite of all the interest and excitement around the character, and them capitalizing on it with extra concepts/notes)?

Edited May 3, 2023 by Tatsuroko

[Daemos]

I am saying things are what they tend to be. Necalli is what he is, and I believe Capcom’s final work speaks for itself.  The interviews with Ono speak for themself. What you quoted only reaffirms any sober viewing of SF5’s characters will tell you. 

[bakfromon]

Necalli was such a place holder for Akuma that they even fused the two ideas for one of Akuma's scrapped concepts

This actually would have made sense if Necalli had succeded in eating Akuma instead of getting a bad case of indigestion. He would have taken on his appearance. 

Edited May 3, 2023 by bakfromon

[Daemos]

Necalli failed on so many fronts and it had nothing to do with "he was a jobber instead of main villain". The entire plot of the character revolved around him sleeping for hundreds or thousands of years, then appearing for a short period just to eat everyone strong then go back to sleep. Chances are we will never see him again with a plot like that, but that was already planned from the start.

Akuma is a better Necalli. Garuda is a better Necalli. And if they wanted to emulate Jojo's Pillar Men, Gill did it better first.

If they wanted some bestial illiterate fighter, Blanka did it better first as well.

He's so disposable and unnecessary as a villain that nothing short of a complete overhaul of his lore and design could rescue the design. 

 

Edit-

To clarify, I am a proponent of rescuing Necalli's design and I think there is a niche he can occupy now especially if Kage is out for good. Necalli could be for SF6 what Seth was for SF5.
 

Edited May 3, 2023 by Daemos

[Tatsuroko]

23 minutes ago, Daemos said:

I am saying things are what they tend to be. Necalli is what he is, and I believe Capcom’s final work speaks for itself.  The interviews with Ono speak for themself. What you quoted only reaffirms any sober viewing of SF5’s characters will tell you. 

You're smart, but let's be real, 98% of the community is not. You were able to see through the hype and realize he was but a sub-boss and that's nice, but the rest of the target audience actually expected something meaningful to come out of a character with V's glowing all over his body. And if you're right, then they should've done a better job at "deciphering" it for the masses.

[CESTUS III]

1 hour ago, Daemos said:

Nothing clear about that. Necalli was always meant to be the outlying villain and that is what happened.  
 

Everything you’re pointing to is just wishful. Capcom admitting that they mishandled Necalli isn’t evidence for him being the main villain. Necalli was a jobber from the beginning. Even in future character stories like Akuma and Boxer he remained a jobber.

This just prove my point though

 

Necalli is BY FAR the most ancient and supernatural being compared to Bison, Gill, Akuma or even Oro

When Pillar Men appeared in JoJo they were the fucking big deal, the origin of their evil was so ancient and deep that Jonathan and Dio problems felt surface af

 

Capcom created a SF world Pillar Man that in theory could/should have made other baddies look like kids... and all they could do, has been use him as a jobber

All while using him as some sort of tryhard important Ryu moment, while at same time losing to Rog of all people lmao

 

To make a VERY cheap example

Narrative wise hey could have made up a Ryu-age Akuma disciple or some other normal human that use a type of ki based on murder intent for that, some sort of mini-Akuma test, able to put Ryu in serious danger but no comparable to Akuma himself, would have made sense

 

Instead they made up the most mythological and supernatural being of SF universe, just to have him play side role of shit stepstone in our dear awkward SFV story

Let that sink

 

Necalli writing has been as quintessential example of capcom shitwriting and lack of balls as you can get, all about rely on cashcows at story development/evolution expense

 

Bison sell, spam Bison

But we already said Akuma is much more stronk! At least we can use Akuma!

Nah Akuma stronk must stay invincible for Ryu to milk cashcow, plus Bison sell, spam Bison

But what about NEW villains? Like make SF world grow and move on?

Ehhhhhhhhhhhhhh, i don't know. I think we should use them to spam some Bison and say that Akuma is very stronk

Genius!

 

Necalli terrible treatment

Seth terrible treatment

G non-existent treatment

 

Only cashcow milk

 

I want to believe in JP, but instinct tells me he's going to be good as SFV no-moons Bison if we are lucky, possibly another great potential concept used as filler arc material

 

Hope to be wrong

 

2 hours ago, Daemos said:

I’m not saying that. Capcom are.

Even now the stories of many characters in SF6 are only possible through Bison’s legacy. His appearance and his absence both have more impact on characters than any other in SF.

 

G is the only boss character I can respect because at least he tried to stand on his own platform and achievements.
 

All other bosses, including Akuma, Gill and JP tried to establish themselves on the shoulders of Bison. Only Akuma succeeded in becoming something truly great and popular.

 

Gill did'nt relied on Bison

 

When SF3 came out in 1997 and for whole SF3 cycle (last time SF actually tried move on from old villains), Bison/Shadaloo was barely mentioned just as something that's no more

 

When current Capcom in SFV written some missing parts and retcon some others, we seen Secret Society had a key role on antagonize Shadaloo, but Gill himself was so worried that thought it was kind of situation that required the whole grand combined power of... his secretary and some new hired part-time guys

 

If SFV did anything good about villains has been preserve Gill and actually show him AFTER Bison's defeat, almost like promising that SF villains world have big stuff to do in the post-Bison era

[Daemos]

1 minute ago, Tatsuroko said:

You're smart, but let's be real, 98% of the community is not. You were able to see through the hype and realize he was but a sub-boss and that's nice, but the rest of the target audience actually expected something meaningful to come out of a character with V's glowing all over his body. And if you're right, then they should've done a better job at "deciphering" it for the masses.

Not that smart. I thought Necalli was going to be Bison's next host body when he was introduced and that it was all part of the plan. At least then he would've been a little more meaningful. But Capcom went for something much simpler and I understand that now.

 

Capcom are very hesitant to irrevocably change or destroy their popular IPs. The story in Street Fighter serves the characters not the other way around, a hard truth to swallow for those among us who want more and faster progress. Capcom never lost sight of this through the decades, and that is what keeps their characters strong but stagnant.

SF6 offers us the first opportunity for progress in decades, but they are not committing to it. Going through the bits and pieces we have, it's more of the same and I'm fine with that. Just give us our characters and perfect the gameplay.

[Daemos]

14 minutes ago, CESTUS III said:

I want to believe in JP, but instinct tells me he's going to be good as SFV no-moons Bison if we are lucky, possibly another great potential concept used as filler arc material

JP is to Bison what Necalli is to Akuma. But done sooooo much better. That's my hot take. This isn't bad, it's an honor to be mentioned in the same breath as Bison! 😄 Seriously though,. if he's lucky, he can transcend this position and become something more like Seth before him - a popular character with a lot of fans and a very unique style of play that people crave.

 

Not sure why you think Seth treatment is poor, he's an excellent character who is very layered. 
 

 

14 minutes ago, CESTUS III said:

Gill did'nt relied on Bison

 

When SF3 came out in 1997 and for whole SF3 cycle (last time SF actually tried move on from old villains), Bison/Shadaloo was barely mentioned just as something that's no more

Despite a minor blurb in the 90s about how the SS were involved in manipulating world events including Shadaloo, no one knew or gave a shit about Gill in 1997.

 

Gill was reintroduced to gamers more than 2 decades after SF3 as one of the architects behind Shadaloo's fall and as the key backer of several of SF5's main protagonists. His entire prophecy from his 2I ending was reinterpreted to apply to Bison's grand plan. Literally, the character's first claim to fame in the lore chronologically is helping bring down its main villain because HE WANTS TO BE THE MAIN GUY.

I'll give credit to 5 though, it made me like Gill a lot more than before.


 

Edited May 3, 2023 by Daemos

[Doctrine_Dark]

We know Arcade Mode as a prologue and epilogue for every character.

 

But how do you think they'll handle the final boss? 

 

Do you think it'll be like Alpha 2/SF3 2I where everyone has their own unique boss fight? Or will there be a dedicated final boss like Alpha 3/SF2/SF4/SFV?

[Daemos]

12 minutes ago, Doctrine_Dark said:

But how do you think they'll handle the final boss? 

I am hoping for a JP/Nayshall Tournament setting with him as the final boss.

What I think we're getting is that the story of SF6 on year 1 is only the first chapter, possibly even the prologue to a series of decentralized events that will unfold over the next 7-8 years. This probably means that Arcade Mode will have personal bosses, and that there is no one singular villain that catches the attention of everyone.

Edited May 3, 2023 by Daemos