The Street Fighter VI Story Thread: Shadaloo Died so Luke Could Live!

CESTUS III · May 4, 2023

3 hours ago, YagamiFire said:

This is great!

Remy was the second created character I made. The first was K'

I think he will end up being one of most believable recreations, his general appearance will be relatively easy to recreate with editor clothes (i think i already seen all the pieces i need on NPCs) and i believe we can find decent compromise to give him a "Remy style" moveset

Was thinking i like Manon for stance and normals, while for specials will have to experiment a bit but i believe a mix of Guile, Cammy and Jamie will do the trick... for supers i was thinking Lv1 Deejay Lv2 Guile Lv3 Cammy

Edited May 4, 2023 by CESTUS III

DarthEnderX · May 4, 2023

2 hours ago, YagamiFire said:

Necalli should have been petrified like a stone statue or something and reawakened...and he should have absorbed chi (like in his V-trigger Super), leaving people lifeless husks to feed himself. Not Majin Buu nonsense. It could have even been that the civilization he was from previous sacrificed people to him.

The blob stuff is dumb.

Anything that makes Necalli not a human being is dumb.

All of the non-human Street Fighters are dumb as shit.

5 hours ago, Daemos said:

So you're fine with him going permanently full amoeba on one of the most iconic characters in fighting games, but you disagree "hardest" with the very premise of being an amoeba.

I wasn't "fine with it". That was simply my prediction of what was going to happen. Between the explanation that he absorbs people, that he powers up and becomes more evolved when he does so, and that A Shadow Falls was going to be the story of the end of Shadaloo, I was expecting that ASF was going to end with Necalli absorbing Bison and becoming a Gill-like final boss.

5 hours ago, Daemos said:

You realize this is the same series that gave you:

1- Green Jungle Ape Monster

2- An Indian Mr. Fantastic with the skulls of children around his neck

3- An evil immortal psychic Nazi-esque dictator

4- Whatever the fuck Twelve and Necro were.

5- A spiritual plane manifestation of the dark side of a character's psyche.

6- A centuries old master who fights while holding a TURTLE

7- Alien Bichromatic Jesus and his eugenicist brother

9- Half a dozen clones clones, male and female, some turned into Cyborgs.

10- The bastard child of Abraham Lincoln and Captain Planet.

A shapeshifting blob-spirit is where you draw the line?

Not at all. That's an incredible list of all the worst SF characters you made there.

4 hours ago, Daemos said:

When it comes to Necalli, I believe the devs were trying to make an outlying villain who is like Akuma but functionally a jobber. So in that respect, the delivery was piss poor and left much to be desired.

Nobody sets out to TRY to make a jobber. And if they do, they make a Dan, or a Sean. They don't make an immortal monster that eats people.

1 hour ago, CESTUS III said:

I think Bison had more than one run as SF Boss and that the more you spam him the more you ruin his legacy, reducing him to a walking meme that appear once in a while to get his butt kicked

Indeed. A side-effect of him being the boss so often is that it also inadvertently makes him the biggest failure in the series. Because it makes him the one that fails the most.

43 minutes ago, Daemos said:

I’m not like that at all despite what you and others try to paint me as.

Then you should stop acting like it. Because that's how you paint yourself.

Like, you do the whole Bison superfan schtick and it seems like it's a bit you're doing, and it's all in good fun. But then other times you get REAL fucking defensive when people talk about him, and it seems like...maybe it's not just a bit.

Edited May 4, 2023 by DarthEnderX

CESTUS III · May 4, 2023

1 hour ago, Daemos said:

I’m not like that at all despite what you and others try to paint me as.

I'm not trying to paint you as anything, mostly i'm sticking to what you said and usually say

Would argue you're the one misunderstanding my position

To me was'nt about "You want Necalli to be a main villain that supplants Bison"

Beside the FACT that Necalli was developed like crap

And yes, beside him failing to be a Boss being an huge disservice to what HIS concept was (you don't create a millenary monster in a saga that never had one, only to be a 10minutes jobber, that's shitwriting)

My position does'nt require Necalli to even be in SF, let alone as final boss

I like Necalli as design (human non VT version) but i've not much attachment to the character (not that Capcom did anything to make people like it lol), beside the fact the shitty development he had is an hard to ignore example of Capcom's inability to leave comfort zone and create new stuff with same ability and courage of good old days, like when they created Bison or Gill from zero

We simply have a wide divergence of opinions about what is the current state of Capcom creative minds

To me they have no ambition and they self-sabotage their own new attempts in order to not risk of disturb a safe and profitable (and repetitive, and boring) status quo of characters like Bison or Akuma (and Gill, a char of 25 years ago, keept as fresh new air card still to play lmao), trying to never get too far with the result anything new have to born crippled and small enough to not risk interfere with potential cashcow return card... does'nt matter if world building have to freeze for that

Seth, used as food for Bison in his debut game. Used as filler fake Boss and essentially implied to not being even good enough to give an hard fight to a real one.

Necalli, used as food for Bison and Akuma in his debut game. Used as stepstone in the most awkward way imaginable, level of threat "lose to bum Rog"

G, used as food for Gill in his debut game. Not even developed beyond empty hype words, Gill goes through him using his ass as stepstone to reveal himself

These were the new big baddies of SF4 and V combined arcs, so much pride and ambition

I love SF, but this particular thing is quite pathetic in my humble opinion

SF3 did 99 things wrong, but when Gill was created at least they did'nt had any of that submissive shyness

He was'nt even painted as the most powerful char (Oro consider him to be on par with SF3 Ryu in terms of potential) wich make sense considering his very young age (he was in his 20s), but was'nt used as humble food

He was blatantly designed by the team with "you think Bison was powerful, watch this!" mindset, in line with their fuck you SF2 spirit (that i hated)

Again, hope to be wrong but as much i like JP can't shake off the impression is born to live and die in a small room with low ceiling

As said would not be surprised if once all is said and done we will see him as a moon-less Bison at best, with Ken lesser "hero status" coming useful to justify a still desperate final fight and once all is said and done we will be like "what a nice little filler adventure it has been, was'nt it?"

And then maybe he will be used as food in later season for Gill (if the blue red in Nayshall stage is an hint), who jump out being like "you may play chess JP, but i played 4D chess with you whole time!"

Would actually crack me up if happen, would be like capcom doing a parody of capcom lmao

Edited May 4, 2023 by CESTUS III

DarthEnderX · May 4, 2023

2 hours ago, CESTUS III said:

He was blatantly designed by the team with "you think Bison was powerful, watch this!" mindset, in line with their fuck you SF2 spirit (that i hated)

That's not really what happened though. If SF3 seems like it was going "fuck you, SF2", it's because it started development as not a SF game.

ShockDingo · May 4, 2023

9 hours ago, DarthEnderX said:

Well, yeah. Necalli was fucked the moment they decided to make him an alien blob

Yeahh, I kinda agree. I actually like some of the weirder elements and freak characters in SF, but there are limits. Everything in SF to this point has been either through KI powers, tech/ genetic engineering, but a sudden jump to a full on mystical character was a bit drastic, which is more offensive that having a character shift the balance of SF's ceiling was just kinda clumsily tossed aside.

I would have vastly preferred the early fan speculation idea that he was an ancient warrior who went full SNH, got sealed up, never dying and was released somehow over the course of the ASF events.

Edited May 4, 2023 by ShockDingo

Doctrine_Dark · May 4, 2023

Dee Jay to Luke: "Enjoyin' the thunderous beat I'm layin down?"

DarthEnderX · May 4, 2023

55 minutes ago, ShockDingo said:

I would have vastly preferred the early fan speculation idea that he was an ancient warrior who went full SNH, got sealed up, never dying and was released somehow over the course of the ASF events.

I liked him better when I thought he was Māori, and the New Zealand stage was his...

BornWinner · May 4, 2023

Zangief Vs Lily

“You may be small, but your power is colossal! I sense the bloodline of a warrior in you.”

E. Honda Vs Dee Jay

“Hahaha! Your songs ain’t much my thing, but you’re a real character, y’know that?”

Dee Jay Vs E. Honda

“Sumo wrestlers stomp their feet before a match, yeah? I can get down with that!”

Chun-Li_Forever · May 4, 2023

Chun-Li to Dee Jay: " I think your music may be a little too energetic for my liking."

Thoughts: Better than what you got for your SF6 theme song, babe.

Interestingly enough, in Udon's Street Fighter 100 Ryu vs Chun-Li comic, while Dee Jay was DJing it up, Chun-Li arrives at the party and just mingles with her fellow fighting acquaintances. I'm not sure if Chun was ever the party dancing kind of girl. I know she liked to liven things up when she was trying to get back to her single life. But it would be interesting if she was.

Though we are never privied to Chun's taste in music, I would find it plausible if she was more into the classical genre, especially since she got her first inspiration of kung fu from Peking Opera. So maybe Chun-Li's taste in music have always been mild-mannered, and only with the grounded intensity that came from the performances resembling combat. Very much how her old themes sound like.

Maybe I see a bit of myself in Chun-Li too. As I get older, I'm finding I'm not a big a fan as the EDM/Electronic music genre that has been popularized by this generation, and I've always stuck with the music that has made me feel close to myself, or stuff that I resonate with.

That doesn't mean Dee Jay's music is bad, oh far from it. He's a professional whose vibe seems to capture all of the hearts he performs in front of.

All in all, this quote is more insightful of Chun as a character rather than exploring or detailing any kind of relationship that Chun and Dee Jay have.