Sonichuman Posted September 23, 2022 Author Share Posted September 23, 2022 Hawkingbird and RSG3 2 Quote Link to comment
Sonichuman Posted September 24, 2022 Author Share Posted September 24, 2022 RSG3 1 Quote Link to comment
Sonichuman Posted September 27, 2022 Author Share Posted September 27, 2022 New preview of the upcoming comic is up, going to put it in spoilers because...well...let's just say Surge is going through some things Spoiler Also King K put up a retrospective for Shadow the Hedgehog Hawkingbird and RSG3 1 1 Quote Link to comment
Sonichuman Posted October 3, 2022 Author Share Posted October 3, 2022 Game looks interesting. Quote Link to comment
RSG3 Posted October 3, 2022 Share Posted October 3, 2022 Without losing their loved ones? Lol wtf? Quote Link to comment
Sonichuman Posted October 3, 2022 Author Share Posted October 3, 2022 (edited) 4 minutes ago, RSG3 said: Without losing their loved ones? Lol wtf? He's referencing the comic which is what his first post is in reference to. Issue 24 was in the middle of the Metal Virus saga where characters were dropping off to being infected and Whisper (the character above) lost a friend to the infected in the issue. Edit Speaking of the comic, I just finished reading the latest issue and I'm really liking Surge lol. I liked her before and she was giving some Juri vibes but now she's just leaning more into it and I dig it. Edited October 3, 2022 by Sonichuman RSG3 1 Quote Link to comment
Reiraku Posted October 7, 2022 Share Posted October 7, 2022 Glad they brought Whisper back. She needs to be featured more often Sonichuman 1 Quote Link to comment
Sonichuman Posted October 7, 2022 Author Share Posted October 7, 2022 (edited) 8 hours ago, Reiraku said: Glad they brought Whisper back. She needs to be featured more often Seeing Whisper be done in her fight was great. She still got mopped understandably but still. Edit: Scrapnik Island side comic starts this month as a reminder. Been seeing people say issue 1 releases in about 2 weeks. Edited October 7, 2022 by Sonichuman Quote Link to comment
Hawkingbird Posted October 7, 2022 Share Posted October 7, 2022 Seeing how Ian is writing for the games now I wonder if any of his comic creations will make the jump. Quote Link to comment
Sonichuman Posted October 7, 2022 Author Share Posted October 7, 2022 2 hours ago, Hawkingbird said: Seeing how Ian is writing for the games now I wonder if any of his comic creations will make the jump. SoJ is really weird about characters that they themselves didn't have a hand in making and I'd imagine that BS that happened with Penders did not help matters. They're more involved in the IDW comic in terms of mandates and giving the artists and story tellers the boundaries that they can move within but I would not expect any of the comic characters to make it in any of the games UNLESS...Ian's execution of the story is so great and Frontiers both is both received well critically and does really well financially for them. At that point I'd imagine Sega would probably go "Ok Ian what else do you got for us?". He'd probably start getting a bit more wiggle room on what he can do but even then I wouldn't expect the opportunity of comic characters to happen until maybe a 3rd Ian game...so we're talking like close to probably a decade potentially from now. To put it in perspective, despite how many fans Sally Acorn still has to this day from Satam, she's still barely recognized as a character from SoJ. All that being said though...there is a very small glimmer of hope on this because both Whisper and Tangle showed up as being playable characters in the Mobile games. Supposedly the reason that both those 2 were able to show up in the mobile games is because this isn't a Penders issue and they actually own the characters that show up in the comics. So...who knows? Maybe they may actually show up in a mainline game sooner than we think? Quote Link to comment
Sonichuman Posted October 8, 2022 Author Share Posted October 8, 2022 RSG3, Hawkingbird and RegH81 3 Quote Link to comment
Reiraku Posted October 8, 2022 Share Posted October 8, 2022 I know it's wishful thinking, but give us a full on game with multiple characters from the newer series like SA1. Have a Whisper story, Tangle, even Belle. Quote Link to comment
RSG3 Posted October 8, 2022 Share Posted October 8, 2022 They struggle to get Sonic right...let's not. Quote Link to comment
Sonichuman Posted October 8, 2022 Author Share Posted October 8, 2022 10 minutes ago, Reiraku said: I know it's wishful thinking, but give us a full on game with multiple characters from the newer series like SA1. Have a Whisper story, Tangle, even Belle. Let's not delve into that quite yet first....Let's see how Frontiers lands first and then we can go from there. Iizuka did say that he wants to to do SA3 and this game could be the groundwork for that but I want them to get Sonic right first before anything else. Reiraku 1 Quote Link to comment
Reiraku Posted October 8, 2022 Share Posted October 8, 2022 Hey, I can dream! Sonichuman 1 Quote Link to comment
Sonichuman Posted October 8, 2022 Author Share Posted October 8, 2022 Just now, Reiraku said: Hey, I can dream! Nothing wrong with dreaming. I wants multiple characters to return to cause I stand by that Sonic's friends were never the problem, it's always been the execution of the characters. I want them to bring the other characters back too but they need to get Sonic in 3D straight first. Quote Link to comment
Reiraku Posted October 8, 2022 Share Posted October 8, 2022 I say copy SA1's template, give everyone their set of levels and individual cross-sectional stories. Keep the mechanics roughly the same, with the various gimmicks unique to each character, and forget Big the Cat ever existed. It's easy. Hawkingbird 1 Quote Link to comment
RSG3 Posted October 8, 2022 Share Posted October 8, 2022 You say it's easy but SA1 is mid. Quote Link to comment
Reiraku Posted October 8, 2022 Share Posted October 8, 2022 SA1 is fantastic. You just have to remove the Big sections and it's easily one of the best sonic games made. SA2 was a pretty big step backwards overall. Quote Link to comment
RSG3 Posted October 8, 2022 Share Posted October 8, 2022 I....can't co-sign that...like at all. Sonic has mostly good stages, Tails sucks being almost all rrally lame retreads of Sonics stages, Amy sucks, Big sucks, Knuckles is alright, final chapter is cool.... I don't thinknits bad like plenty of people will claim but it's not even close to one of the best Sonic games imo. Quote Link to comment
HD-Man Posted October 8, 2022 Share Posted October 8, 2022 (edited) Didn't care for the Knuckles or Amy stages in SA1, Sonic, Tails and Gamma were fun tho. Game was great for its time but it has not aged gracefully at all I still haven't til this day played Sonic Adventure 2,ironically As for Sonic Frontier, just stick to Sonic and/or Tails gettin levels. I don't trust Sega at this point, and I trust them even less with more non-traditional levels. Let's get Sonic's gameplay right before we go experimenting again Edited October 8, 2022 by HD-Man RSG3 1 Quote Link to comment
Reiraku Posted October 8, 2022 Share Posted October 8, 2022 14 hours ago, RSG3 said: I....can't co-sign that...like at all. Sonic has mostly good stages, Tails sucks being almost all rrally lame retreads of Sonics stages, Amy sucks, Big sucks, Knuckles is alright, final chapter is cool.... I don't thinknits bad like plenty of people will claim but it's not even close to one of the best Sonic games imo. Sonic's stages were good. Tails I enjoyed because of his different mechanics and you had to actually run them faster by design. Amy's were good, but not great. Knuckles could use the improved radar from 2, but having Tikal guide you worked just as well. Big needs to go in the trash. Gamma was fun as hell. I am going fully admit my bias here, because it happens to be my favorite Sonic game, I do think it falls behind S3&K. I'd put it just ahead of 2 and SA2 for sure though. Quote Link to comment
Hawkingbird Posted October 9, 2022 Share Posted October 9, 2022 I'm with Reiraku in his sentiment. I do want Sonic's supporting cast to return to playable status. I've always hated how they were misblamed for making the games awful. Adventure games for the most part made it work, Sonic Mania made it work. Heroes was ok. Reiraku 1 Quote Link to comment
Sonichuman Posted October 10, 2022 Author Share Posted October 10, 2022 RegH81 and Hawkingbird 2 Quote Link to comment
Sonichuman Posted October 11, 2022 Author Share Posted October 11, 2022 Preview pages for Scrapnik and the upcoming main issue this month Hawkingbird 1 Quote Link to comment
Sonichuman Posted October 11, 2022 Author Share Posted October 11, 2022 (edited) Edited October 11, 2022 by Sonichuman RegH81 and Hawkingbird 2 Quote Link to comment
RegH81 Posted October 11, 2022 Share Posted October 11, 2022 If Frontiers is gonna let Sonic wear different outfits like the avatar from Forces, I am all for it. Quote Link to comment
Sonichuman Posted October 13, 2022 Author Share Posted October 13, 2022 (edited) Apparently Sega goofed and uploaded a new Frontiers overview trailer up too early? It got taken down shortly after it got put up but...you know...the internet. So someone put up what they had put before I don't know what they're going to fix in the official reupload but you can at least see what was they had put up prior. edit up officially again Edited October 13, 2022 by Sonichuman Hawkingbird 1 Quote Link to comment
Sonichuman Posted October 13, 2022 Author Share Posted October 13, 2022 Yeah Sonic Symphony was at the Brazil Games Show...I've seen a few clips but don't know if they played anything new. Hawkingbird 1 Quote Link to comment
Sonichuman Posted October 13, 2022 Author Share Posted October 13, 2022 Did a quick search and looks like they played some Sonic Frontiers music to go with a bunch of footage mic quality is garbaggio though. Quote Link to comment
Sonichuman Posted October 18, 2022 Author Share Posted October 18, 2022 King K put up a retrospective for Sonic 06 Quote Link to comment
RSG3 Posted October 18, 2022 Share Posted October 18, 2022 Why are people still torturing themselves with that fucking game? Quote Link to comment
Sonichuman Posted October 18, 2022 Author Share Posted October 18, 2022 5 minutes ago, RSG3 said: Why are people still torturing themselves with that fucking game? He's actually approaching the game a bit differently which he gives with his thesis in the beginning. Its more so about the game and everything surrounding it from what I've listened to so far. What the game means to him when he first played it in the past, how the stigma of this game still lingers around the franchise up to now, and how its "legacy" may effect the future. Might be a bit off on the future bit but that's what I got from it. RegH81 and RSG3 2 Quote Link to comment
Hawkingbird Posted October 18, 2022 Share Posted October 18, 2022 That video reminded me that I should download project Sonic 06. I'm curious to see if the fan remake actually made it a good game. The sonic and shadow portions are already finished with the Silver story coming soon. HD-Man and Sonichuman 1 1 Quote Link to comment
Sonichuman Posted October 18, 2022 Author Share Posted October 18, 2022 Sonic Frontiers Prologue comic begins Also more preview pages for Scrapnik Island #1 Quote Link to comment
RSG3 Posted October 18, 2022 Share Posted October 18, 2022 (edited) 4 hours ago, Sonichuman said: King K put up a retrospective for Sonic 06 I'm just about done with this and yea it's more a retrospective then a fresh play and analysis. As usual with KingK I'm on board till his conclusions where he tends to make slightly hyperbolic statements. Like his whining about dudes like me not liking Sonic's friends. It's not that I don't like them, in fact I like them a lot, it's that they are not fucking fun to play. Like he kind of annoyed me because he's like "People now think Sonics friends are stupid and should go away even tho they've been getting added since Sonic 2" yea well in Sonic 2 and 3K Tails and Knucks are fucking Sonic with slightly different stats (top speed, jump hight) and 1 gimmick to set them apart. Otherwise they play Sonics stages 90% like Sonic does. When we go to 3D Tails get to replay Sonics stages but with lame boost gates to skip 50% of the stage, or Kuckles Treasure Hunt where you have a car door ajar bell dinging in your fucking ears for what can last up to a fucking hour if you're unlucky. Amy is pretty forgettable and no one like Big the Cat and fishing. I'd rather fish in a Zelda game. Or the Mech stages in 2 that aren't fun. I never played Heroes but it looked to get it ok since everyone's the same with minor differences to justify their place in the game. And that's really the problem. Sonic Team rarely has good reasons for these other characters to be playable, and the gameplay shows it. So it's not that we hate his friends. His friends are fine, it's that Sonic Team can not come up with gameplay to justify their playability and it drags the entire game down. KingK whines about people throwing out all of Sonic Unleashed (which is a pretty bullshit statement in and of itself considering the worl modders put in to porting those stages to Generations) over the Wherehog but conveniently doesn't mention the Wherehog is like 50% of the experience and has the longest fucking stages and NO ONE liked them. Not even Sonic fans. So you get the 5 minute long awesome Speed stage and then an hour of terrible fucking melee combat and platforming. Yea I wonder why that game was only kinda liked by people. Sonics friends are fine, it's justifying their gameplay that's the issue. Also lulz at "I don't need Frontiers I have Xenoblade!" Like you don't need a Platformer because you have a JRPG? Whatever bro lol. "If you think Sonic 06 was broken fundamentals you should play this mod, the stages where already good so they just had to tweak the characters." Are characters and how they control in a platformer not a fundamental system? He says weird stuff sometimes lol. Edited October 18, 2022 by RSG3 RegH81 and Sonichuman 2 Quote Link to comment
Sonichuman Posted October 19, 2022 Author Share Posted October 19, 2022 I haven't finished listening to it yet since I was trying to listen to it while I was work but then I started getting busy (currently at about 1/5...and would have been listening to it currently if not for the fact that my son is at the age where he wants to treat his father like a jungle gym). I don't always agree with King K (or Geek Critique which is also a pretty good youtuber for Sonic listening to sonic content and retrospectives) but I do usually like how they explain themselves and why they feel that way. That comment regarding Xenoblade is def weird though since they aren't even en the same genre. RegH81 and RSG3 2 Quote Link to comment
RSG3 Posted October 19, 2022 Share Posted October 19, 2022 (edited) Don't let my post color your opinion heh. I think SomeCallMeJohnny is my favorite Youtuber who talks about Sonic relatively frequently. Edited October 19, 2022 by RSG3 Sonichuman and RegH81 2 Quote Link to comment
Sonichuman Posted October 19, 2022 Author Share Posted October 19, 2022 4 minutes ago, RSG3 said: Don't let my post color your opinion heh. I think SomeCallMeJohnny is my favorite Youtuber who talks about Sonic relatively frequently. I recently picked him up upon Hecatom mentioning him some time ago. He'd always been floating around in my feed now and then but I never really watched/listened to any of his videos then I just went on a whole binging spree for the past few months. Hawkingbird and RSG3 2 Quote Link to comment
RSG3 Posted October 19, 2022 Share Posted October 19, 2022 2 minutes ago, Sonichuman said: I recently picked him up upon Hecatom mentioning him some time ago. He'd always been floating around in my feed now and then but I never really watched/listened to any of his videos then I just went on a whole binging spree for the past few months. I think he has one if the most even handed opinions on the internet. RegH81 and Sonichuman 2 Quote Link to comment
Sonichuman Posted October 19, 2022 Author Share Posted October 19, 2022 25 minutes ago, RSG3 said: I think he has one if the most even handed opinions on the internet. As long as people can explain their opinions in a decent manner on why they think a certain way even if it feels contrarian then its a better for me to understand where they come from on stuff. Its one of the reasons I like listening to Cosmonaut even though I don't agree with him either all the time either (The lighthouse is weird AF movie and it is not a masterpiece). Hawkingbird, RSG3 and RegH81 3 Quote Link to comment
Sonichuman Posted October 19, 2022 Author Share Posted October 19, 2022 13 hours ago, RSG3 said: I'm just about done with this and yea it's more a retrospective then a fresh play and analysis. As usual with KingK I'm on board till his conclusions where he tends to make slightly hyperbolic statements. Like his whining about dudes like me not liking Sonic's friends. It's not that I don't like them, in fact I like them a lot, it's that they are not fucking fun to play. Like he kind of annoyed me because he's like "People now think Sonics friends are stupid and should go away even tho they've been getting added since Sonic 2" yea well in Sonic 2 and 3K Tails and Knucks are fucking Sonic with slightly different stats (top speed, jump hight) and 1 gimmick to set them apart. Otherwise they play Sonics stages 90% like Sonic does. When we go to 3D Tails get to replay Sonics stages but with lame boost gates to skip 50% of the stage, or Kuckles Treasure Hunt where you have a car door ajar bell dinging in your fucking ears for what can last up to a fucking hour if you're unlucky. Amy is pretty forgettable and no one like Big the Cat and fishing. I'd rather fish in a Zelda game. Or the Mech stages in 2 that aren't fun. I never played Heroes but it looked to get it ok since everyone's the same with minor differences to justify their place in the game. And that's really the problem. Sonic Team rarely has good reasons for these other characters to be playable, and the gameplay shows it. So it's not that we hate his friends. His friends are fine, it's that Sonic Team can not come up with gameplay to justify their playability and it drags the entire game down. KingK whines about people throwing out all of Sonic Unleashed (which is a pretty bullshit statement in and of itself considering the worl modders put in to porting those stages to Generations) over the Wherehog but conveniently doesn't mention the Wherehog is like 50% of the experience and has the longest fucking stages and NO ONE liked them. Not even Sonic fans. So you get the 5 minute long awesome Speed stage and then an hour of terrible fucking melee combat and platforming. Yea I wonder why that game was only kinda liked by people. Sonics friends are fine, it's justifying their gameplay that's the issue. Also lulz at "I don't need Frontiers I have Xenoblade!" Like you don't need a Platformer because you have a JRPG? Whatever bro lol. "If you think Sonic 06 was broken fundamentals you should play this mod, the stages where already good so they just had to tweak the characters." Are characters and how they control in a platformer not a fundamental system? He says weird stuff sometimes lol. I finished watching the vid and I think you may have taken his comment regarding sonic's friends out of context. He said one of the things he enjoys is playing with the other characters so when he then said "but we as a group at this point started to feel that Sonic's friends were the problem" he was being sarcastic and talking about those who groaned everytime a new character was introduced or just hated almost all of the extended cast at this point. The Xenoblade and Frontiers statement wasn't completely hyperbolic sense I kinda see what he was trying to say even though it was a bit clumsy. He was talking about feeling jaded over the franchise at that point after Forces got released and how a lot of Sonic's stories were watered down and he wasn't getting what he wanted from the series currently. And with Frontiers coming out and looking Open World and seemingly like a less story driven focused experience he's saying he could get that same open feeling if he wanted from Xenoblade. Not really the best comparison but I get it. The whole future section is filled with jadedness and negativity that's just been building up over time and he's just not sure if Frontiers is going to scratch the itch he wants for a Sonic game with a bit more engaging story with some stakes to it. When he was going over this I was about to say "What about Ian?" and he addresses that he's aware of him. I mean I get it, I don't 100% agree but I get it. I've been reading Ian's stuff for awhile now so I'm more optimistic on that aspect plus we've barely seen much of any story beats and we haven't even see the Eggman cutscene that we've read about. There's just still a lot of unknowns regarding the game and given the franchise's recent track record, I can in no way tell someone that this game is going to change everything with confidence. I just can't. So I understand where his feelings are coming from on this. RegH81, Hawkingbird and RSG3 3 Quote Link to comment
Sonichuman Posted October 19, 2022 Author Share Posted October 19, 2022 Oh yeah...Scrapnik #1 is out now? I'm probably gonna scoop this Fri. Quote Link to comment
Sonichuman Posted October 21, 2022 Author Share Posted October 21, 2022 (edited) Ohtani is killing this OST man lol. Edit: Edited October 21, 2022 by Sonichuman Quote Link to comment
Sonichuman Posted October 22, 2022 Author Share Posted October 22, 2022 Development on Sonic Frontiers is done And Ohtani is finishing up the OST Hawkingbird and RegH81 1 1 Quote Link to comment
Hecatom Posted October 22, 2022 Share Posted October 22, 2022 Sonichuman, Hawkingbird, RSG3 and 1 other 4 Quote Link to comment
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