Sonero Posted June 14, 2022 Share Posted June 14, 2022 Oooh I read something somewhere else that hit a light bulb. Luke has this mechanic with his inputs in SF5. If SF6 is gonna be full of that stuff, might as well throw the game in the trash tbh. I already went through the trouble of trying to grind out those types of inputs because I liked the character (Alpha Patroklos in SC5). The odds of me going into a game full of it are insanely low. Next they'll be like, Quote Zangied has a just frame command grab that gives him more damage and better oki. Nah, that's almost a hard pass. Volt 1 Link to comment
You Posted June 14, 2022 Share Posted June 14, 2022 23 minutes ago, Vhozite said: Don’t take this the wrong way but from what I can gather from your posts you and I have polar opposite tastes on pretty much everything related to FGs. I can live with just frames if I have to but I super don’t like them on Guile. He’s supposed to be one of the simplest characters. This game doesn't seem too concerned with tradition. Ryu has 2 new specials and Chun is a stance character; even the classics are gonna change. Idk, I feel like we have to few details on this mechanic rn to be making such definitive judgements. TWINBLADES and Shakunetsu 2 Link to comment
You Posted June 14, 2022 Share Posted June 14, 2022 1 hour ago, TWINBLADES_SRK said: Didn't you used to play Rashid? Nice to see you again. Likewise! I indeed was that mediocre Rashid/Chun player back in the day; leveled up with Rose though. You still on Cammy/Kolin? TWINBLADES 1 Link to comment
elliephil Posted June 14, 2022 Share Posted June 14, 2022 Some additional info on the perfect booms Volt, AriesWarlock and TWINBLADES 1 2 Link to comment
Darc_Requiem Posted June 14, 2022 Share Posted June 14, 2022 1 hour ago, Reticently said: Unless they implement it such that modern gets extra boom automagically. Things could get nutty if they try to make modern controls competitive with classic. Things could change, but as the game stands now. That's not how they are doing things. Modern controls flat out lacks access to some special moves. Ryu doesn't have his Denjin Charge and Chun Li doesn't have SBK in Modern controls. Modern controls only allows access to four special moves. All the currently playable characters have more than 4 specials. With Guile this remains to be seen, based on the trailer he has 3 moves now, but I haven't see his move set. Reticently 1 Link to comment
Hecatom Posted June 14, 2022 Share Posted June 14, 2022 (edited) Perhaps I am on the minority that thinks that is a wasted opportunity that Capcom is not implementing a moder scheme that was not only a viable way for players to play the chars competitively if they wanted to, but also that could serve as a remixed version of the chars that while has access to less tools still has new utilities from them. And yeah, I know that it would be extra work and probably difficult to balance, but is kind of a waste to add an easy mode for new players when they will still be A) At disadvantage due the lack of knowledge and execution against a more experienced player (It doesn't even need to be a pro, just enthusiasts will very likely beat them) B) Disadvantage for lacking tools that their oppoents have. Is a self defeating implementation if you ask me. At least the easy mode on BB/GG gave players autocombos (dunno if will be the case on sf6, if not, then what is the point, lol.) Edited June 14, 2022 by Hecatom BornWinner 1 Link to comment
CESTUS III Posted June 14, 2022 Share Posted June 14, 2022 (edited) 36 minutes ago, Sonero said: Next they'll be like, Zangief has a just frame command grab that gives him more damage and better oki. Nah, that's almost a hard pass. @Sonero 🤣 If make you feel better, at first patch they will be like Zangief felt strong, so we nerfed the fuck out of him Edited June 14, 2022 by CESTUS III Bigtochiro 1 Link to comment
Hecatom Posted June 14, 2022 Share Posted June 14, 2022 Grapplers being weak/low tier will never be a dumb shit if you ask me 🤣 All the muscles for what? Nothing. BTW, I hope that if we get another grappler besides Zanguief is Hakkan. Dunno why, but I like his character design. Phantom_Miria, Hawkingbird, Volt and 1 other 3 1 Link to comment
Hawkingbird Posted June 14, 2022 Share Posted June 14, 2022 19 minutes ago, Hecatom said: At least the easy mode on BB/GG gave players autocombos (dunno if will be the case on sf6, if not, then what is the point, lol.) SF6 will have autocombos. They have to hold the right bumper button and pressing any of their normal buttons. There's three autocombos available 2 minutes ago, Hecatom said: BTW, I hope that if we get another grappler besides Zanguief is Hakkan. Dunno why, but I like his character design. I would love for Hakan to come back. He's my favorite of the SF4 newcomers. He is a lot of fun to play even though I struggled to get wins with him. Hecatom 1 Link to comment
Hecatom Posted June 14, 2022 Share Posted June 14, 2022 2 minutes ago, Hawkingbird said: I would love for Hakan to come back. He's my favorite of the SF4 newcomers. He is a lot of fun to play even though I struggled to get wins with him. If they add him, it will be a great opportunity to rework his toolkit. There are a lot of areas where he could be improved while retaining the idea of his design. If not, then just add his Wife, Melike. Supposedly she is also a fighter 👀 Volt, Bigtochiro and Hawkingbird 1 1 1 Link to comment
Darc_Requiem Posted June 14, 2022 Share Posted June 14, 2022 16 minutes ago, Hecatom said: Grapplers being weak/low tier will never be a dumb shit if you ask me 🤣 All the muscles for what? Nothing. BTW, I hope that if we get another grappler besides Zanguief is Hakkan. Dunno why, but I like his character design. Isn't Marisa a grappler? Link to comment
Hecatom Posted June 14, 2022 Share Posted June 14, 2022 (edited) Just now, Darc_Requiem said: Isn't Marisa a grappler? No Idea. But I was talking more about bringing previous characters besides the announced/leaked. I would prefer to have Hakan prior T.Hawk tbh. Edited June 14, 2022 by Hecatom Link to comment
Reticently Posted June 14, 2022 Share Posted June 14, 2022 55 minutes ago, Darc_Requiem said: Things could change, but as the game stands now. That's not how they are doing things. Modern controls flat out lacks access to some special moves. Ryu doesn't have his Denjin Charge and Chun Li doesn't have SBK in Modern controls. Modern controls only allows access to four special moves. All the currently playable characters have more than 4 specials. With Guile this remains to be seen, based on the trailer he has 3 moves now, but I haven't see his move set. I'm positive modern will always be more limited just based on the smaller number of possible inputs, but I could also see that as a reason that they might try to make sure modern is accessing the "best" versions of whatever 4 specials that input method can access. It'll be interesting to see how serious they are about modern not being just baby's-first-fighting-game mode. Link to comment
CESTUS III Posted June 14, 2022 Share Posted June 14, 2022 12 minutes ago, Darc_Requiem said: Isn't Marisa a grappler? I think Manon will be more a grappler, i think she's pure Judo char Marisa i guess will be more liky Abel, striker/grappler MMA hybrid But stats wise as HP guess Marisa will be closer to big grapplers than Manon Link to comment
Jocelot Posted June 14, 2022 Share Posted June 14, 2022 I have this feeling Marisa is gonna play like Alex or Abel. Just the vibe I'm getting off her. Maybe even Abigail Link to comment
CESTUS III Posted June 14, 2022 Share Posted June 14, 2022 32 minutes ago, Hecatom said: Grapplers being weak/low tier will never be a dumb shit if you ask me 🤣 All the muscles for what? Nothing. Idk, considering FG are built on absurd cast variety i like the idea you have speedy/fast small char that can evade a lot but get wrecked when punched hard, and on opposite side slow as crippled hippo characters with huge hurtbox that get hit a lot, but can take hell of a beating and do insane damage if they can put hands on you I like when this kind of 2 extremes are well represented and in the perfect middle you have balanced char (who may wear a red headband) who's average strong/fast/tough etc Iirc vanilla SF4 was bit like that with huge gap between fastest/smallest and slowest/biggest in terms of stats, but i think (may be wrong) through years this gap vanished a bit, yet huge characters are still slow as ever and have same gigantic hurtboxes lol I'm no pro in any way but for the little i seen seem to me there's something "cultural" going on with developers where they seem ever ready to cripple big chars but seems much more reluctant to nerf some others Link to comment
Reticently Posted June 14, 2022 Share Posted June 14, 2022 I'm sort of hoping that Marisa is a speedy rushdown character just to fuck with our expectations. Jocelot and TWINBLADES 2 Link to comment
Popular Post Skort Posted June 14, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted June 14, 2022 If we talking about what characters should be DLC moving forward, there are several i would like to see, mostly my alts Poison , Laura and i still hope for old man Gouken and Adon. However, there's one i think should make a return even though i only played her casually, Kolin. Idk if the Illuminati will have anything to do in the upcoming SF 6 story but i definitely wouldn't mind if she made a return . Actually one of the best newcomers in a while and my personal favorite character overall from SFV. She gonna freeze up your drive meter recovery mykka, Darc_Requiem, Yiceman and 10 others 12 1 Link to comment
Vhozite Posted June 14, 2022 Share Posted June 14, 2022 1 minute ago, Skort said: However, there's one i think should make a return even though i only played her casually, Kolin. Idk if the Illuminati will have anything to do in the upcoming SF 6 story but i definitely wouldn't mind if she made a return . Actually one of the best newcomers in a while and my personal favorite character overall from SFV. She gonna freeze up your drive meter recovery Im not opposed to her but I like Kolin would be a weird addition with universal parry’s I want to see Adon just to get a new theme. His SF4 theme on loop is one of the biggest songs in my workout rotation. Link to comment
Skort Posted June 14, 2022 Share Posted June 14, 2022 Just now, Vhozite said: Im not opposed to her but I like Kolin would be a weird addition with universal parry’s Yea but she doesn't really have a parry in SFV. It's actually a counter, Gouken style. So Kolin could pretty much have the drive meter parry like all the rest but also have a counter to her arsenal that directly inflicts damage if it clashes with an attack. TWINBLADES and Phantom_Miria 2 Link to comment
Darc_Requiem Posted June 14, 2022 Share Posted June 14, 2022 14 minutes ago, Skort said: Yea but she doesn't really have a parry in SFV. It's actually a counter, Gouken style. So Kolin could pretty much have the drive meter parry like all the rest but also have a counter to her arsenal that directly inflicts damage if it clashes with an attack. In the SF6 system, she'd be subject to a Punish Counter if she whiffs it. Plus it doesn't have 1F startup like the Parry and you have to pick the correct counter on top of that. IIRC you lose a chuck of Drive Gauge when you're Punish Countered in addition to the bonus damage, so all of that would balance it out. Link to comment
mykka Posted June 14, 2022 Share Posted June 14, 2022 I wanted Maki but I guess Kimberly coming around pretty much killed her chances Link to comment
Skort Posted June 14, 2022 Share Posted June 14, 2022 (edited) 7 minutes ago, mykka said: I wanted Maki but I guess Kimberly coming around pretty much killed her chances Maki is long overdue, i think a lot of people would want to see her in a modern game. With how many Final Fight characters SFV had i actually expected Maki for initial launch in 6 but it didn't happen it seems. DLC ? Maybe,the game will have at least 4 season i think so there are definitely chances. Edited June 14, 2022 by Skort Phantom_Miria 1 Link to comment
Hawkingbird Posted June 14, 2022 Share Posted June 14, 2022 Alex, Nerco, Makoto, Elena, Sodom and Hakan are my biggest picks for return characters. Phantom_Miria, Skort, Jocelot and 1 other 2 2 Link to comment
Volt Posted June 14, 2022 Share Posted June 14, 2022 Perfect booms are kind of an asstastic idea tbh. I generally dislike just frame inputs, but Boom is not just a combo tool. Imagine fukkin up your zoning because you accidentally got a Perfect Boom instead of a slow one. Not to mention that any shoddy connection will screw him up. Guile will be pretty much unplayable in Brazil. 🤣 Volta 1 Link to comment
TWINBLADES Posted June 14, 2022 Share Posted June 14, 2022 The thumbs down is getting abused like 5 dollar street whore. Darc_Requiem and Bigtochiro 1 1 Link to comment
TWINBLADES Posted June 14, 2022 Share Posted June 14, 2022 1 hour ago, Skort said: If we talking about what characters should be DLC moving forward, there are several i would like to see, mostly my alts Poison , Laura and i still hope for old man Gouken and Adon. However, there's one i think should make a return even though i only played her casually, Kolin. Idk if the Illuminati will have anything to do in the upcoming SF 6 story but i definitely wouldn't mind if she made a return . Actually one of the best newcomers in a while and my personal favorite character overall from SFV. She gonna freeze up your drive meter recovery I believe in lord Gill, she will return. And when she does, I'll win Evo. AriesWarlock, Volta, Jocelot and 2 others 4 1 Link to comment
Skort Posted June 14, 2022 Share Posted June 14, 2022 1 minute ago, TWINBLADES_SRK said: I believe in lord Gill, she will return. And when she does, I'll win Evo. Best of luck indeed. Hope you ready for being a Cammy main once SF6 drops though. She may have pants but she still blonde ! Volt and TWINBLADES 1 1 Link to comment
Hecatom Posted June 14, 2022 Share Posted June 14, 2022 37 minutes ago, mykka said: I wanted Maki but I guess Kimberly coming around pretty much killed her chances Hopefully not. TBH, Kimberly doesn't do it for me in terms of aesthetics. mykka 1 Link to comment
TWINBLADES Posted June 14, 2022 Share Posted June 14, 2022 1 minute ago, Hecatom said: Kimberly doesn't do it for me in terms of aesthetics. hmmmmmm Hecatom, Bigtochiro and HonebamiX 1 2 Link to comment
mykka Posted June 14, 2022 Share Posted June 14, 2022 (edited) 5 minutes ago, Hecatom said: Hopefully not. TBH, Kimberly doesn't do it for me in terms of aesthetics. Me neither tbh. But then I like Lily and people seem to find her plain lol, so it's whatever. Edited June 14, 2022 by mykka Link to comment
Hecatom Posted June 14, 2022 Share Posted June 14, 2022 1 hour ago, Vhozite said: Im not opposed to her but I like Kolin would be a weird addition with universal parry’s I want to see Adon just to get a new theme. His SF4 theme on loop is one of the biggest songs in my workout rotation. They could make her work like Baiken in Xrd, where her Parry overrides the universal parry like mechanic,. Link to comment
Hecatom Posted June 14, 2022 Share Posted June 14, 2022 6 minutes ago, mykka said: Me neither tbh. But then I like Lily and people seem to find her plain lol, so it's whatever. I love Lily, but I can get why some people will find her plain. At least her more iconic look. Darc_Requiem, Shakunetsu and mykka 3 Link to comment
Yiceman Posted June 14, 2022 Share Posted June 14, 2022 Lily is probably the new character I'm most interested in seeing more of. If she is indeed based on T-Hawk, then a tiny grappler flying around with ass-whooping sticks sounds like tons of fun. mykka and Hawkingbird 2 Link to comment
CESTUS III Posted June 14, 2022 Share Posted June 14, 2022 2 hours ago, Hecatom said: I would prefer to have Hakan prior T.Hawk tbh. Hakan was cool, his rivalry with Honda was SF af too lol Would welcome him back, but want also a giant char, be it Hugo or somebody new Link to comment
CESTUS III Posted June 14, 2022 Share Posted June 14, 2022 1 hour ago, mykka said: I wanted Maki but I guess Kimberly coming around pretty much killed her chances Guess depend who Kimberly's Master is, but i feel is Guy (who if in would further shrink Maki chances) 33 minutes ago, Hecatom said: I love Lily, but I can get why some people will find her plain. At least her more iconic look. Lily is fine, if internet people could have it in their way SF design would die in one chapter lol Actually so far she and Jamie may be best new entries design wise, curious to see ingame JP too Link to comment
The Slick Tony Posted June 14, 2022 Share Posted June 14, 2022 As someone who rarely ever tries doing combos with Guile, I don't mind having normal Booms and 'Perfect' Booms. If I get lucky and pull off a PB and smack my surprised opponent in the face, great. If I don't, I still have my normal ass booms to fall back on 🤷♂️. Bigtochiro and TWINBLADES 2 Link to comment
Hawkingbird Posted June 14, 2022 Share Posted June 14, 2022 1 hour ago, CESTUS III said: Hakan was cool, his rivalry with Honda was SF af too lol Would welcome him back, but want also a giant char, be it Hugo or somebody new Hakan is the same height as Honda. He's no giant character. Hugo and Abigail are it when it comes to giants. Mr.Cipher and elliephil 1 1 Link to comment
Hecatom Posted June 14, 2022 Share Posted June 14, 2022 I am a complete dumbass, I thought we were talking about Lily from Tekken 🤣 In my defense, Dunno where you got the name Lily, I totally forgot of the new character for SF6 with the same name Bigtochiro 1 Link to comment
Hecatom Posted June 14, 2022 Share Posted June 14, 2022 4 minutes ago, Hawkingbird said: Hakan is the same height as Honda. He's no giant character. Hugo and Abigail are it when it comes to giants. That is why he said that he welcomes Hakan, but that would like for a giant to be added on the game. Link to comment
Hawkingbird Posted June 14, 2022 Share Posted June 14, 2022 I misread his post. From the leaks that new Italian lady could fit the bill seeing how huge she is. elliephil 1 Link to comment
Hecatom Posted June 14, 2022 Share Posted June 14, 2022 3 hours ago, CESTUS III said: Idk, considering FG are built on absurd cast variety i like the idea you have speedy/fast small char that can evade a lot but get wrecked when punched hard, and on opposite side slow as crippled hippo characters with huge hurtbox that get hit a lot, but can take hell of a beating and do insane damage if they can put hands on you I like when this kind of 2 extremes are well represented and in the perfect middle you have balanced char (who may wear a red headband) who's average strong/fast/tough etc Iirc vanilla SF4 was bit like that with huge gap between fastest/smallest and slowest/biggest in terms of stats, but i think (may be wrong) through years this gap vanished a bit, yet huge characters are still slow as ever and have same gigantic hurtboxes lol I'm no pro in any way but for the little i seen seem to me there's something "cultural" going on with developers where they seem ever ready to cripple big chars but seems much more reluctant to nerf some others The bias comes from the fact that grapplers usually are noob/bad players and even mid tier players killers. At the end of the game, fgs are not only balanced around top level play, specially the most popular ones. They also take in consideration other levels of play, hence why grapplers and other archetypes close to them tend to be balanced in a way that usually lands them on the mid to low scale of strength. Then you have that some battle planners do have biases against the archetype, so it permeates to the games they design. CESTUS III, Shakunetsu, Hawkingbird and 1 other 4 Link to comment
Hecatom Posted June 14, 2022 Share Posted June 14, 2022 3 minutes ago, Hawkingbird said: I misread his post. From the leaks that new Italian lady could fit the bill seeing how huge she is. Darc_Requiem told me that she is comparable to Black Widow from Muscle Bomber game in terms of height. Hawkingbird 1 Link to comment
HeavensCloud Posted June 14, 2022 Share Posted June 14, 2022 6 hours ago, Dragonfave723 said: Capcom: We're gonna still quiet for awhile. Also Capcom: We already kind of knew this stuff would be in the game as Luke was most likely the testing ground for just frame execution in 6. Both my characters in SFV - Cody and Karin have just frame moves, although in Karin's case just frame tenko may actually be 3 frames - it definitely feels easier than landing Cody's perfect command grab in VT2. The Slick Tony 1 Link to comment
Yiceman Posted June 14, 2022 Share Posted June 14, 2022 Yeah I was talking about the Lilly from the leaks. Granted I think that name is some fan translation of the Japanese name listed with her image, so it might not even be right. Spoiler Link to comment
elliephil Posted June 14, 2022 Share Posted June 14, 2022 Missing C Viper and her mist cancels =( Doctrine_Dark, Mr.Cipher, Bigtochiro and 3 others 2 1 1 2 Link to comment
Hawkingbird Posted June 14, 2022 Share Posted June 14, 2022 34 minutes ago, Hecatom said: The bias comes from the fact that grapplers usually are noob/bad players and even mid tier players killers. At the end of the game, fgs are not only balanced around top level play, specially the most popular ones. They also take in consideration other levels of play, hence why grapplers and other archetypes close to them tend to be balanced in a way that usually lands them on the mid to low scale of strength. Then you have that some battle planners do have biases against the archetype, so it permeates to the games they design. It would always annoy me how the communities have a biased against grapplers when they usually low on the tier list. I would often get kicked from lobbies in the calamity trigger days for playing Tager when the guy was bottom and had some insanely lopsided match ups. Had the same issue with P4A even though Kenji was nothing special. Guess having in invincible command grab produced a lot of salt. TWINBLADES, Hecatom, Bigtochiro and 1 other 2 2 Link to comment
TWINBLADES Posted June 14, 2022 Share Posted June 14, 2022 Fuck grapplers! @misterBeeSir I tried finding the thread about requesting name changes but alas my boomer mind didn't see it. How do I go about requesting this? Bigtochiro 1 Link to comment
Hawkingbird Posted June 14, 2022 Share Posted June 14, 2022 16 minutes ago, elliephil said: Missing C Viper and her mist cancels =( Knowing that just frames is in the game viper would be a good character to add. Imagine all the crazy shit she'll be able to do with faint cancels and just frame seismo. elliephil, Mr.Cipher, Dracu and 2 others 4 1 Link to comment
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