Yeah man, you are right. They were fucking brutal. I still remember the Ninja Gaiden arcade one. It was some damned Jigsaw shit. I could understand it in the arcades, they were trying to guilt you into spending more money. On consoles it was just weird.
Edit: @HecatomAlways preferred T.Hawk to Gief. He already had the edge with me by being Native American. His faster walk speed just sealed it.
I blame it on people
My ideal SF have only Ryu and Ken as Ansatsuken reps, all while keeping them as different (if possible, more) as they became in SFV
I can tolerate Gouken because he was great character and so different under every point of view
We never needed Akuma, E.Ryu, Kage, Oni
But bunch of people seems to love this scam
Would say we never needed Sakura either, but i don't want to reply to 99 outraged pillow huggers, so yes would cancel her too but will pretend i never said it
While i don't necessary disagree with you there, you seem to have completely jumped the part where i said
"Still, with all up and downs in quality i ultimately liked these years with SFV and i think had also lot of things done right (just like many done wrong), sorry if i don't buy dat FGC mantra that say you MUST hate SFV"
I liked the game and i loved it got so much DLC expansion
Essentially i never said SFV was'nt worth my money (it was), i just say they could have done it much better, but would not make sense to me to boycott a product i liked
And again i don't think your strategy would work with capcom either, so i'm glad people did'nt mass boycotted the game as it would only have damaged SF in my opinion
So the guy's tier-list had me combing through Chun-Li's win/loss record according to the SF canon (because I have nothing better to do on a monday workday). In chronical order to the lore (including all games, retcons, OVAs, movies, story modes, Fight Your Rivals)
Street Fighter Alpha
Chun-Li vs M. Bison (Final Boss) - Result: LOSS
Even in Alpha, M. Bison is still leagues above a young, headstrong Chun-Li. Though M. Bison is brought to one knee as seen in Chun's Alpha 1 ending, M. Bison was clearly toying with her, knocking her out and into a hospital bed with one Psycho Power punch to her stomach
Street Fighter Alpha 2
Chun-Li vs Gen (Mid Boss) - Result: DRAW
Since Gen and CHun-Li are each other's mid bosses respectively, then it could be safe to assume that they met up with each other before Chun-Li went off to find M. Bison. In a real fight, I believe Gen could easily defeat Chun-Li, but it is plausible that Gen held back some when Chun-Li tried to fight for information on her father from him. Either Chun-Li got the information needed, or realized that fighting against Gen wouldn't yield any favorable results, and resulted in both parting
Chun-Li vs M. Bison (Final Boss) - Result: DRAW
This time around, M. Bison acknowledges Chun-Li's strength, even though he was clearly holding back against her. M. Bison retreats instead of knocking out Chun-Li in this one. It's unknown with the details of the fight, but both emerge with no clear victor in this contenst.
EXTRA: Chun-Li vs Akuma (sub boss) - Result: Unknown
(Not 100% sure if canon, so I'm not adding it. But chun-Li can fight Akuma as a sub boss before fighting M. Bison)
Street Fighter Alpha 3
*Canonicity withstanding from the previous two Alpha games,
Chun-Li vs Birdie (Rival) - Result: WIN
Chun-Li beats Birdie and gets him to spill M. Bison's location
Chun-Li vs Cammy (Rival) - Result: WIN
I'll chalk this up as a win for Chun-Li because she was able to defeat Cammy and break M. Bison's pyscho power influence on her. That said, Cammy's Alpha ending in the SFV arcade mode shows Cammy knocking out Chun-Li.
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Chun-Li vs Juil & Juni - Result: WIN
This fight transitions between her fight with Cammy and M. Bison, M. Bison sending her dolls to take care of Chun as she fights them off before fighting M. Bison
Chun-Li vs M. Bison - Result - DRAW
Chun-Li manages to hold her own, and almost goes into arrest him. But M. Bison doesn't go down easy. M. Bison retreats as Chun-Li takes care of the Shadaloo base. So while Chun-Li didn't get the one-on-one victory against M. Bison, she does shutdown M. Bison's base. Sidenote: more than one ending has M. Bison being blasted off by a laser, so even though Chun-Li does press the button that would vaporize M. Bison in her particular ending, I wouldn't count that as a "win" for Chun.
Guile vs Chun-Li (Rival) - Result: DRAW
No animosity between the two, just Chun-Li trying to stop Guile from interfering with Charlie's mission
Dan vs Chun-Li (Rival) - Result: LOSS
Probably the most embarrassing loss of Chun's career, and one of the reasons why I'm thankful Alpha 3 is canonically shaky. It's not that Chun-Li isn't at fault, she does pull the idiot card in assuming Dan was affiliated with Shadaloo. But Dan gets the best of her, and she even admits in her post-match dialogue against Dan "How can I be beaten by such a pathetic style?!"
Sodom vs Chun-Li (Rival) - Result: DRAW (maybe win?)
I can't find any thing outside of the Rival Dialogue with this. Sodom want to convert Shadaloo's base into a Mad Gear spot. Chun-Li is investigating Shadaloo. They fight. Though it is on Sodom's side and you do have to beat Chun-Li to advance, Sodom does not end up with the base in his possession and Kamikazes in his end. To that end, Sodom didn't get what he was after while Chun-Li would resume investigating the Shadaloo base. So it could chalk up as a win for Chun. But since there is little I can find outside of this, I'll relegate it to a Draw or unknown.
Zangief vs Chun-Li (Rival) - Result: DRAW (maybe loss?)
Same with Sodom, there is nothing outside of the Rival Dialogue that gives us any information. Chun-Li urges Zangief to let Interpol handle Shadaloo, but Zangief proves he's worthy to fight Shadaloo, as he does contiinuing his arcade path. Both show no ill feelings in future games, this moment is never referenced. Either Zangief totally overpowers Chun into Submission, or Chun-Li acknowledges Zangief's strength to allow him to help against Shadaloo.
Street Fighter II
Chun's ending in this shows her praying to her father that she avenged his death. While not canonically clear on who won the SFII tournament outside of Akuma ending M. Bison's life with the Raging Demon), we can't assume that Chun-Li canonically defeated M. Bison in this one, since every SFII ending assumes the chosen character ended up winning the whole thing and beating M. Bison in the end.
That said, there is one event that takes place POST-SFII that can be seen in the C. Viper Aftermath trailer that is particularly interesting
Chun-Li, Ryu, Ken, Guile, and Cammy vs M. Bison - Result: WIN
The aftermath assumes that it took a team effort to stop M. Bison's terror at the end of SFII. What's significant about this is that Chun-Li is the one who delivers the decisive blow that has M. Bison at the hands of the good guys. So that should score some "lore points" with her and against the man that's been driving her revenge arc for years.
Though M. Bison goes the "suicide" route, rather than be defeated, i'll chalk this as a win for the whole team and for Chun-Li
There is one other thing: in Chun-Li's Aftermath Traiiler, it shows her fighting against Ken. I can only assume it takes place within the SFII timeframe, and a winner for that is unknown as well.
Street Fighter IV - OVAs
First starting with the Ties That Bind OVA.
Chun-Li & Sakura vs SIN Henchmen - Result: WIN
Doesn't really mean anything, it was expected these two cuold beat a bunch of jobbers. Plus, this fight does nothing for Lore Points. But it's a win, and the only fight she partakes in the OVA.
And now the Juri OVA
Chun-Li vs Juri - Result: LOSS
Juri pretty much stomps everyone in this OVA to legitimize her as a character. Chun-Li just happened to be one of those victims in her way.
Street Figher IV - Game
Lets take a look at all the Fight-Your-Rival moments
Chun-Li vs C. Viper (Rival) - Result: DRAW
I'd say if it happened twice, it's not a coincidence. It certainly is within the realm of possibility that Chun-Li and C. Viper met and combatted during their investigations into SIN. Since C. Viper can't blow her cover, violence was the only option. Unclear winner on this one as both go on to resume their investigations into SIN. We can also assume that both of their "victories" to advance the arcade path will cancel each other out, if Chun-Li were to win in her path, and Viper were to win in hers.
Chun-Li vs Juri (Rival) - Result: WIN (or draw)
Take this with a grain of salt. But hear me out. In the cutscene, Juri acknowledges her beatdown in the Juri OVA, so there is some canon connection there. This fight is basically Chun-Li's revenge after getting stomped in their first battle. Take note that Juri activates her Feng Shui eye before the fight, meaning that she would not go easy on Chun during this fight. Chun-Li this time gets the better of Juri, but fails to arrest her and sends her retreating. So if we count Fight your Rival moments as part of canon, then it's viable Chun-Li managed to hold her own against Juri, who was toying with her for the most part of the Juri OVA.
Chun-Li vs Seth (Final Boss) - Result: Unknown
Since we don't see Chun-Li take on Seth outside her Arcade mode path, we can't assume that the two met, fought, or who would win.
Balrog vs Chun-Li (Rival) - Result: LOSS (or Draw)
This is one of possibly the few times Chun-Li and Balrog ever fought canonically. Assume we're playing from Balrog's perspective, Balrog would have to win to advance the path, which would mean a loss for Chun-Li. That, or possibly both fighters could be even in terms of skill and power, that Balrog is able to escape from Chun before she can bring him in for questioning. Too bad their Fight your Rival dialogue is the only reference we can draw from.
Vega vs Chun-Li (Rival) - Result: LOSS (or draw)
Same with Balrog is that we'll have to assume we're playing from Vega's POV to advance the story, which would mean a loss for Chun.
If we are to assume this fight would take place before the happenings at the SIN base, then Chun's defeat would allow Vega to get to the SIN base first before Chun-Li could enter (as show in Vega's SFIV Vanilla ending). Vega does get one last laugh against Chun-Li, albeit a sneaky one, where he traps her in lockdown before the gas asphyxiates her.
Gen vs Chun-Li (Rival) - Result: LOSS or DRAW
Interestingly enough, this is almost the same as Chun's and Gen's Rival dialogue back in SF Alpha 2
I know what I said before, that we'll have to assume the POVs of the playable character to advance the arcade path. And same with Gen, in that Gen would have to beat Chun-Li to move on to the final boss.
Gen said in the Fight Your Rival cutscene that he won't hold back against Chun-Li as she's trying to get answers from him (whether it be Shadaloo connections, or information on her father reamains unclear). In the end, Gen doesn't stop Chun-Li from continuing to investigate SIN, neither does he give her any info she desires. But Gen does save her in the base (as seen in Gen's vanilla ending) before Guile and Abel come to retrieve her.
Yun vs Chun-Li (Rival) - Result: Unknown
Yun has no Fight your Rival scenes with Chun, so while it could happen, there isn't any scenes or dialogue to pull information from.
Street Fighter V
Let's take a look at all of the Chun encounters in everyone's character story and A Shadow Falls. Chun-Li's character story takes place during her Alpha years, so this adds some more depth to her alpha story
Chun-Li Character Story
Chun-Li vs Vega 1 - Result: LOSS
Chun's first fight with Vega ends with him injuring her arm before retreating as seen in the post match scene
Chun-Li vs Nash - Result: DRAW
Chun-Li holds her own against Nash, but is unable to defeat him for long. Nash does this to demonstrate that if Chun can't take him out, her chances against M. Bison wouldn't be great
Chun-Li vs Vega 2 - Result WIN
Chun manages to overpower Vega and was about to question him before he spills about the death of her father. That hesitation was enough to allow Vega to retreat.
Birdie Character Story
Birdie vs Chun-Li - Result: LOSS
Another embarassing loss for Chun. She tries to arrest him for suspicion of Shadaloo activities, but Birdie fends her off and runs away.
A Shadow Falls
Chun-Li vs M. Bison - Result: LOSS
This wasn't really fair. M. Bison powerful already but got a significant buff thanks to the Black Moons. M. Bison not only squashed her, but nearly killed her and possibly injured her (see next fight)
Chun-Li vs Rashid - Result: LOSS
While I do believe Chun-Li is a better fighter than Rashid, she was clearly injured and hurt from her last fight with M. Bison, so Rashid was able to take advantage of that to beat Chun-Li and take her piece.
Chun-Li vs FANG - Result: WIN
Chun-Li beats FANG to rescue Li-Fen
Street Fighter III
Chun-Li vs Urien - Result: WIN
It is possible Urien wasn't going all-out, and only wanted to see Chun demonstrate her skills. But even still, Urien holding back would still be an incredibly tough opponent. And the fact that Chun-Li could hold her own enough to rescue Li-Fen deserves a win, even if it didn't result in a KO.
TLDR: Chun-Li's record 9 wins, 10 losses, 11 draws/unknowns
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