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I... wouldn't mind that. LOL And this came from the jpn text... Let's see how they will localize it.

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@CESTUS III You nailed on your post regarding Gill and SS! Later I'll address some bits!

Hong Kong flag censored in the SF6 beta SSF2T machine.... Capcom is doing it since 1993...

Because, mr Stephen Wexler, THAT's the coincidece you're referring to. The prophecy mentions a blond man able to control heat and cold/fire and ice. COINCIDENTALLY, Gill is naturally blond (unlike Ken) and controls heat and cold/fire and ice. THEREFORE, he thinks he's the messiah and probably a bunch of the SS followers too... He didn't have to fit himself in, he was BORN (or became like that through training) like the one described by the prophecy that they follow. There might even be the possibility (nothing backed up by the canon) that he was genetically engineered like that just to play the role of the messiah. Who knows if what's written in the prophecy will naturally come true or not. Remember that the manuscripts mentioning the coming of the messiah in 2200, not 1997 (or 2020). That's why I think Gill manipulated Shadaloo's plan to enact the prophecy verbatin, step by step, so the "old crooks (as Urien said) would choose him as the one to be handed power through the SS presidency. He didn't do that AFTER taking over. He did that BEFORE. That was a way to inimidate the non-believers of the council to choose him from the candidates to SS presidency. Or... they discovered Gill's plan to use Shadaloo's Operation CHAINS to fool the SS and gain power. Yes. And there's no secret, nothing dubious about that. The insecure part fits Urien better than Gill. Gill is pretty secure and competent about his skillz. Urien on the other hand, looks like an barking dog that will be chocked by his own collar... Coulnd't agree more. Gill is a VERY competent farce that discarded Urien after he became useless to him. He was handed the VP, not enough, then Gill handed him the presidency to become the emperor (pretty sure that was another farce by Gill), not enough... so Gill simply discarded him. When Urien realised that he wouldn't be able to defeat Gill, that he'll be always inferior, all came crashing on his head.... he was devastated as Gill's SFV story showed us. I don't do anything. I simply joined the pieces Capcom gave us about the matter and elaborated an simple theory upon it. You want to discredit it because that would put Shadaloo (and Vega) being manipulated by Gill, something that, if memory serves me right, SF3 Fanbook mentioned being possible.... That's your wishful thinking. Only the completion of the SF6 story will tell us. And that might take up to 4 years or more. LOL! Are you sure he's a failure? If he's a televangelist, he's on TV all the time. Millions if not billions might be following him (with the SS backing him up from the shadows). If that's the case, for sure he managed to get money, success, fame, glamour. Probably making constant visits to Kolin and Alex's "gates of harmony". Vega didn't ignore him. He probably didn't know about Gill and the SS at the tiime. And when Gill unveiled himself to the world, Vega was gone. Dead. Kaput. Operation CHAINS made Gill flourish, however, it was Vega's demise. He's dead. Long gone. Fell into oblivion. Now he's simply a ghost trying to find a way back to the physical plane by booing some genetically altered kid. If there's something's strange, in your Metro City Who ya gonna call? VEGABUSTERS!

FANG became insanely loyal after Nguuhao's decimation by Vega's hands. Before, the cartel was working with Shadaloo and who knows else, but they were more associates than lackeys. I never said FANG betrayed Vega for the SS. If you go back to my posts, I said that after becoming loyal to Vega, he enacted the Shadaloo's plan with SS's makeover. And yes, I do know that there are people devoted to dictators and even instagramers/tik tokers to death. So to you everything was a GARGANTUAL coincidence? Let's see: -It was a coincidence that Operation CHAINS happened EXACTLY during the time to choose a the new leader for the SS; -It was a coincidence FANG knowing who Gill and the Secret Society are and that they are "making some kind of move and that SOME STRINGS NEED TO BE PULLED" (FANG's winning quote to Gill, and... what extremely secret organization is known to manipulate events all over the world?); -It was a coincidence FANG trying to dethrone Vega (however turning to his side, becoming Vega's lackey and 2nd in command) and being the one in charge of the Operation CHAINS; -It was a coincidence it being 7 Black Moons in space (not 5, not 8, not 10, but exactly 7), just like the SS prophecy written centuries ago mentions; -It was a coincidence the Black Moons raining on the people (either it's soliton pulse or literally crashing on people's heads), just like the SS prophecy written centuries ago mentions; -It was a coincidence the world becoming an absolute caos by the Black Moons, just like the SS prophecy written centuries ago mentions; -It was a coincidence Urien buying Operation CHAINS data from Mike Bison just before it happens (probably after FANG turned his back on SS); -It was a coincidence Urien calling it all (Operation CHAINS) a farce. Don't you think we have too many (related) coincidences here? Is my theory still SO baseless? We don't have that part of the scripture to be certain. It isn't the one that we know. The one Kolin read while Moscow was being dragged to the 10th level of hell. Nash for sure isn't the blond haired man that controls heat and cold (or fire and ice) mentioned. Actually, canon wise, the SS plays an important part in Shadaloo's fall, if it wasn't for Nash draining a good chunk of Psycho Power from Vega after the moons got deactivated, who knows if Ryu was able to defeat him using the Hadoken of Love. But that's the thing, FANG isn't playing Vega. If Nguuhao managed to (miraculously) kill Vega, taking over Shadaloo, enacting Operation CHAINS so that Gill would be the one selected to rule the SS as their messiah, there would be no need to ressurrect/merge Nash with a Eleven because there would be no Vega to be stopped. How the SS got Nash's corpse is still a mystery, though. When FANG joined Vega, he simply merged Shadaloo's initial plan but with what SS had in mind to mimic the prophecy. SS needed the world in caos in a way or another. Also, Vega's body could also decay or explode from so much Psycho Power it would receive... That would be so cool! JP being one of Vega's former master's studens AND Ed's dad. That would explain Ed's perfect sync with Psycho Power. BTW, what Shadaloo did to Ed is something that can happen in real life called Precocious Puberty. In extreme cases, one can start puberty at a VERY young age (like 2 or 3 years) with rapid body growth. The chronological age doesn't match with the body age. usually the growth stops and the person's rate gets normal when the chronologuical age catches up, usually in th early 20's.

Operation CHAINS is how Shadaloo officially calls the Black Moons plan. That's even how the chapter where FANG activates the Moon is called. During the bank heist, FANG, Mike Bison and Balrog were arguing on who was to blame for letting the the keys/pieces being stolen. Balrog remarks that FANG was the one in charge of Operation CHAINS. So, there's a high possibility that he also started the plan. Shadaloo had at least 2 years to build the 7 Black Moons between the fall of S.I.N. and the events of A Shadow Falls (based on Mel's birth and age). The idea and technology of deflecting and firing Psycho Power from space wasn't something new in SFV. It's been around since at least Zero 3 canon wise and from SF2 Complete File. My theory, is that, since he wasn't able to dethrone Vega and became loyal to him, what FANG did was to develop it in a way that would make both SS and Shadaloo happy. FANG knows that SS isn't something to mess around, at least at the time when he joined Shadaloo. The time he tried to kill Vega is also somewhat of a mystery, it could have been right after the fall of S.I.N. or a little bit before ASF. My guess is the former, so he had the time do develop the plan. Or.... you thibk it was all a huge and convenient coincidence? About the S.I.N. data copied by Balrog (and Chun-Li) in SF4. As far as i remember, no one ever mentioned about what the data itself was. It might be a different data than the onw Cammy deleted from the laboratory's computer. I think SS hired Nguuhao to get rid of Vega and take over Shadaloo. Shadaloo was a known enemy to the world world, so it would be easier to set the plan on course. However, FANG's loyalty to Vega is for real. He just played along using the plan he was given by Vega but with an SS makeover. If there is another terrorist attack in NY people round the globe wouldn't remember 9/11? The tournament is meant to be streamed worldwide, therefore, while the useless home audience might not connect the dots, the "powers of the world" surely would get suspicious of it. Even more if Vega made any display of Psycho Power on TV during SF2 (as he wasn't officially in the SF4 tournament). Also, participating in the tournament and winning, is a perfect way to dethrone the young king by Nayshall's legend. Of course that all depends on how much information about what happened during all those events (Z3, SF2, SF4 and ASF) was revealed to the world...

And then, he'll enter the tournament and display his use of Psycho Power, the same power that spread fear and hatred all over the world a few years ago, to the whole world? Well, it seems that she's in WT. Also, I thought that she and JP had something else going on, by the way JP referred to her and the way she smiled... Maybe JP was corrupted by the use of Psycho Power? I always thought that FANG was the one to enact the prophecy (through the 7 Black Moons) on behalf of the SS (he knows the SS as shown on his winning quotes), so that Gill could take over the SS by convincing the old men of the council that the time for the chosen one (him) was upon them. However, he couldn't eliminate Vega and "fell in love with him and his awesome Psycho Power"🤣🤣 so he used the same plan to benefit Shadaloo and Vega. To me, that is the farce that Urien mentions in his story in SFV. To Gill, that was perfectly fine, as long as he was handed power, and to Urien, that was also fine, since he would dethrone Gill and take over the Secret Society... what didn't happened anyway. Also, Rose's master (Vega?) mentioned that Soul Power not only is a weapon, but also can be the user's own undoing.... Maybe it isn't just Psycho Power users that can bring destruction to the world....

That would be great, however, there's no canon evidence of it AFAIK. Dan In his SFV story, he mentions about winning the championship tournament. However the japanese text mentions him participating of it, not winning. Rose Rose mentions that she was the one who stopped Shadaloo and Vega/Bison. In the jpn text she doesn't say that. She just mentions that they were gone.

That was pretty confusing in SF6 Vol 1. JP and Ken mentions that Nayshall is a newly stablished nation, however.,.. it has kings since lengendary times? Maybe it was a colony of sorts and only recently freed itself?

I don't think that's a good idea. It will become a wiki. I remember there was a bug a few years ago and the file became open for everyone to edit. I remember finding that Juli was meant to be Noembelu on the AAC text of Juli (or Hawk, don't remember). I asked my old friend to check on it and she said that it wasn't on the original jpn text. Who knows what else got changed and I dunno if it was there in the first place. Open it for everyone to edit won't solve our main problem: we need good japanese translators (human translators) that won't throw a fit when questioned and/or corrected. Does anyone knows the guy at SFWiki that writes the jpn translations? Maybe he could help. @bakfromonsince we both have little to no time, maybe choosing one or two more adms would help to solve the problem? Of course, I do think that the guide should be as it is: canon texts translated/transliterated from the japanese or copied from canon materials/sources (like the Super Nintendo/Mega Drive manuals) ALWAYS giving the source of such info/material. We shouldn't diverge to fanfiction or guesswork (maybe a section for latter?). That's not the most updated version of the plot guide. I DL it on my PC at home so I could edit it better without being logged out and losing what I've done (it happened a few times). I can send it to you by the end of the week (sat or sun). Not only that. It's like a huge archive of texts that Capcom provided over the course of the franchise that are long forgotten. THEY should be the ones archiving and translating this online. Who still remembers how Guile and Nash met? The 3 stories with Smalt Raven? I'm pretty sure most of the western audience related JP to the 2 students that learned Psycho Power thanks to the plot guides and threads like this (and a little bit from the 30th Collection). Instead they gave it to a third party to compile and resume the info with errors and inconsistencies (more than SF already have) without even double checking it. it was more an copy/paste from that darn ecyclopedia. That would be interesting. Specially for the Shadaloo CRI exclusive characters. Who knows that, with SF6, they won't nuke the site. That's because it's in GameFAQs. We should find a way of hosting it in someplace that can be easily found. Maybe im pdf instead of docx format? That's Capcom's fault that created it, not Moylan's. Now, the SFxT was absolute bullshit (and Capcom is the one to blame for approving it). And on FB, people still believe that Ryu tapped into SnH when he scarred Sagat. Not only that, one even told me that Gouken forbid the Shoryuken and that Ken and Ryu learned by spying on him doing it.....

Actually 4... and probably they did it multiple times over the following years. If it was one or two tournaments, then I could agree. I was 2 when my mother took me to swimming classes for toddlers, she did that for almost an year... and even after decades, I could describe how the pool looked, the toys, etc. 35+ years later, while browsing the net, I found a picture of that pool and I instatly remembered it.

Yeah, 130 days. sorry.

If I'm not mistaken, the Secret Society prophecy mentions that there would be an 6 month gap between the Black Moon events and Gill appearing. I wonder if Gill's first appearance on Foo Tube was before or after him beating the crap of Tom.

probably 2. He's pretty a toddler in Ken's story mode... but in A Shadow Falls... he seems to be bigger.

I see... Crap, why they can't translate things properly without changing the information? They did the same with Dan and Rose's stories in SFV. Thanks a lot @bakfromon! Actually he's 3Yo in NG/2I and 4 yo in 3rdStrike. That was a nod to Sean's and Ken's 3rd Strike endings.

howver.... it seems he doesn't say the same thing in the japanese text... In the jpn text it seems he says something like "4...5 years ago I would go with dad on matches" @bakfromonor @Miðgarðsorm would you mind checking? Thanks!

Aaaaaaaand...

😅That cake looks DELICIOUS! 😂

Thanks, @ToreyBeans. It seems that the book will be in english both for the jpn and us versions....

I know how you feel. I wanted to buy the Mad Gear box. I really liked the Tommy Luke and Kimberly's statues. But $250? That's a bit too much even for me. I might get the book separately on the internet at a later time. Maybe even the statues... Anyway.... Anyone who plays STREET FIGHTER DUEL was crazy enough to get Gore Magala Ken up to SSS+? I really would like to have the rest of his bio (in english).

🤣 Don't look at me. I'm totally broke. Besides, I didn't even finish scanning the SFVCE Vital Box III book.... I might do a video with a rundown of the exclusive exhibition book.... I think his ass got whooped by Li-Fen....

Nakayama did this very same question to Akira Yasuda: https://game.capcom.com/cfn/sfv/column/112432 Yasuda answered that's because, at that time, Thailand had the best martial arts techniques in the world. Probably a lot of strong fighters would go there. So that could be a perfect place to fight, and recruit/brainwash them. Also, Zero 3 mentions something about a war on the site where the Nachappa Reclining Buddha Statue (Shadaloo's mecha) is. That's due to the democratization conflicts from the previous decade (1970's). Also, Thailand's goverment was pretty corrupt at the time even with the economy activity taking off.

CRAP! The image fades right before the winning quote....

That will depend which english dub came first. I think there were 2 before the ones for the BluRay release. Here in Brazil, the AM had 3 different PT-BR dubs (that I'm aware of): 1st: Theater dub (horrible, poor sound quality and it even translated the names of the moves. Hadoken became "Bola de Fogo", Tatsumaki "Chute Giratório" and so on); 2nd: The most known one, had most of the voice actors whom also acted on SF2V and SF: Code of Honor series. Aired on regular TV stations and was included on the VHS release; 3rd: Exclusive dub for airplanes. Mostly these were made in studios set in Miami. Aired on Cartoon Network in early 2000s. Don't remember the 1st one, but the second and third dub refers Bison as "Senhor" (Sir or Mister). It's from this movie that Bison calls himselft in third person on the original jp dub, which later was adopted in the Zero series.