CESTUS III

It's because while at first everybody seems to agree on "wow capcom sucked on that, shit writing, weak story here and ther" and everything it's good, then somebody open Pandora's Box saying the mighty "fans would write it better" And then monsters appear. Again, only thing i would like to get fixed are clear wrong/shitty profiles info (wich tbh would be LOT to fix lol), but even at that canon does'nt works like that Yeah, tried to search something there but could find nothing (even if in my case must admit i had pretty vague key-words to work on lol), well good we got another piece ever by Capcom confirming more or less same thing 😄 Thanks for the reply anyway

If there's something i learned in years of SRK is that despite Capcom's errors and us SF-worshippers good intentions (and even some great ideas), one sure fucking truth in life is that fans should NEVER be allowed to touch SF canon* I remember how ASF should have been according to some, or wich changes some characters should get, or wich characters should be in the cast *would have no problem fix some clear errors in char profiles, but touch story? Nevah

Fun thing is that while it surprised me too at first read about Ryu hanging with criminals, reality is we ever seen him do stuff like this or get even more involved in various anime (non canon but well fitting the char) like SF2tAM or SF2V in more organized underground fighting circuits, so him being at least familiar with street level crime makes more sense than not lol Plus Capcom (and many anime) offer bit naive/childish view of street level crime punks, portraying them more as chaotic people that don't follow rules than legit EVIL pieces of shit... good example is that most of them (think many Mad Gear members or Birdie) through years has been made less "criminal" and more goofy/caricature, to the point they seem more than anything misfits that struggle to fit society Ryu is my fav character and may surprise i agree with you I don't need most of them either But i really like Gouken for his great old master design and uniqueness compared to the classic shoto, so would be my third pick after Ryu and Ken(done different as in SFV), who are a must to me Necalli IS awesome His design is great and his ancient aztec background could have offered SO MUCH as villain, if i can forget story (we go on that in the paragraph below) and stick to his concept he's still infinitely more interesting/exotic/different threat for Ryu than the endless cycle of boring stronk japan devil shoto bullshit Akuma capcom trapped us in for decades. Twice if we think that they feel can't even let another Boss sell us that he's #1, because ten minutes after Akuma will pull a Yujiro Hanma and wreck him because nobody is stronk as stronk japan devil shoto. Damn. Necalli deserved much more Capcom is guilty of give him absolute shit writing, there was so much they could have done with him and they did that crap lol

You're welcome bro For the Ken part of him finding in his family motivation/source of strenght, first time i remember somebody in the old forum mentioning it translating from japanese some Capcom text info. Sadly i can't be more precise on that one as i don't remember better, nor who did the translation (@Miðgarðsorm? RyoRedCyclone?) A second time we got the xmas SFV side-story, where it's clearly said that thinking he had to protect his family, Ken thrown on the mysterious aggressor (Zangief, but was all misunderstanding lol) probably the most powerful Shoryuken of his life Then we have a non-canon example in Street Fighter III: Ryu Final manga... again, not from Capcom, but there Nakahira offer a point of view that IMHO is'nt much far from Capcom's and exactly about what we are talking about. In the manga Sean believe family made Ken weaker, while Ken proof it's the contrary winning a sparring with Ryu that to some extent even parallel a part of SFV ASF story About Ryu life wiki got a good piece My 2cents on this is i don't think Ryu felt Akuma was simply a "fellow student" as the gap back then was so immense that child-Ryu probably did'nt seen Gouki as something he could compare himself with. Plus again, i think since Gouken was his Master back then he seen Gouki as someting similar, think like Sean can see Ryu in SF3 But i agree with you on why by the time of SF4 he does'nt call Akuma a "Master", even if more than disgust itself i think it's bit deeper thing (more a principle than an emotion), the straight refusal of recognize Gouki's achievements due how he obtained them*... after all we seen Ryu in SF4 saying in rival cutscene that from his point of view Akuma did'nt surpassed human level, but just thrown away his own humanity Interesting Gen say something very similar to Akuma in SFV before be killed by him, insisting even in his death moment that Akuma is fooling himself Then in same story you have Ryu that seems way less "angry" than he was in SF4 about Akuma's perspective, guess it's his new mood vs evil as we seen he interacted with Kage in similar way *ironically Akuma seems to disprect Bison for very same reason, he's disgusted by HOW he achieved his power lol

For SF standards it was a surprising "normal life" story, i see @BootyWarrioralready gave you the core of it Ken's parents were about to divorce so stressed/angry Ken dyed his hair blond (wich in Japan is essentially a rebellion gesture) and started causing trouble, so his father sent him to Gouken to discipline him... but apparently have to focus on their son tantrums somehow fixed their marriage shit lol Tbh i passed good chunk of my life training and seen countless kids progress (and being one myself starting at 5), reality is everybody improve/learn differently and there are 99 factors to count, the "talent" thing is try to over-simplify a complex thing To throw in some possible motivations on top of what i said before (Ken having bit of fighting experience possibly compensating some gap and his natural style being "more immediate" to learn), i may guess -i put that under spoiler as bit long/OT- I've split this part as the adult phase is different thing Again agree with something @BootyWarrioralready said (twice in this post lol), i ever guessed the whole Ken-got-more-talent is something made up by fans rather than by Capcom In particular seems a thing based on 2 common misconceptions about their life: 1- "Ken does'nt train/train little, while Ryu train 24/7 on a rock like some movie Shaolin temple monk" Ken is the one that actually have a lifestyle waaay more similar to real successful professional fighters Not only surely Ken still train a lot, but he's rich with access to top training tools, nutrition, sparring partners, doctors etc and also compete in highest level martial arts tournaments in USA By comparision Ryu live a more rough life (in some quote Zangief even tell him his lifestyle is not optimal for muscle lol), training with less advanced stuff and occasionally have to work, i remember him do normal stuff like bouncer or manual labor to gain some money Of course Ryu likely train more in his "free time" and travel give him chance to meet more SF level fighters (as canon wise he usually does), but still Real difference between them is not much amount of training itself, but the fact that Ryu travel the world a lot (likely staying away from home for months) while Ken chosen a more stable life to be good husbad/father 2- "Ken is distracted by his family wich weaken him, Ryu only have martial arts so it's stronk" This is another common one, but iirc Capcom stated more than once that for Ken family is a motivation that make him stronger actually, as if a Ken that embraced Ryu's lifestyle would not be as good as current family man Ken Not everybody have same optimal development, and apparently Ken chosen correctly his personal path to become the best version of himself Would also add that while Ken found good way to live and smooth progress, Ryu for years had to struggle with Satsui no Hado shit... wich ultimately is something that honed him and forced him to reach greater heights (his SFV ASF arc show a lot this) but still has been a thing But again, not saying that a Ryu who never been "slowed down" by SnH would be better, on contrary as said for Ken Capcom wrote Ryu's path to make him reach the best version of himself Good questions, and i have not enough knowledge to offer sure answer about time-gap of each event... about train with Goutetsu i don't know, the fact the old Master was still alive does'nt mean automatically that directly trained Ryu, nor the fact Ryu calls him "Master" can be take as proof (as title/respect Ryu will call him Master no matter what) Plus there's some hierarchy going on, pretty possible that old high Master Goutetsu did'nt bothered train personally a child, as Gouken was already more than qualified to do it and was the one that chosen to adopt the kid As far i can remember Ryu never considered anybody else as his Master (till Oro in SF3, of course)

The "he's not really a shoto" part is exactly what i love about his concept (on top of being a fantastic concept), they found a way to still give him Ansatsuken identity but changing everything from the old formula: completely different body type, clothes, stance, moveset etc You can see he belong to same school but he's also a TRULY different character, not same shit different flavour. I find also awesome how his way to execute moves completely differently to Ryu express perfectly the experience gap given by age and many more years studying/training the art

Ironic thing is that ultimately i consider Gouken (SF4 version, not EGM lol) to be a far more interessing and welcome character design (and fight style) than Akuma himself I like Gouken, great mix of Kanzaki's version mixed with bit of HNK (Ryuken and Koryu)

This SF should never go realistic Thanks gods they aready lost lot of time and money trying to do realistic SFV prototype before realize it looked like crap, so maybe we can hope they will be scared to try that stupid gimmick again with SF6 But still with capcom marketing division still alive, the risk of them try to murder SF to conquer the mythical "western audience" is ever high These are the shit-tastes people, their opinion is not supposed to be good Sadly (at least to me) Akuma is going to stay around forever, but i wish at least Evil Ryu/Kage bullshit will not appear in SF6

It's awesome Capcom reurrected Gouken, but Goutetsu should just stay dead lol

Cool, this make his training begin around 4 years before Ken I looked in the wiki to see if there was something but while for Ken they have 12yo, for Ryu is only said Gouken rescued him when was a young child and that Ken arrived to the dojo a generic "sometime afterwards" (i guess they found no source for Ryu precise age when was rescued) But search gave me an info did'nt knew/remember from SF4TttB, seems like whatever incident made Ryu faint and left the house burning also gave him amnesia, as he can't remember anything of his life before his first days at the dojo "My earliest memories are of Master Goutetsu and Master Gouken. I remember Akuma training with them." Ryu's dialogue from Street Fighter IV: The Ties That Bind

At 1:33 you see Gouken finding Ryu next to a burning home At 2:15 taking Ryu with himself Yeah, the difference in terms of training time may not be big, Ken started under Gouken at 12 If anything is pretty likely that Ken had more fighting experience with other same age kids, as he was sent to Gouken's dojo because he was a scrappy boy (is when he dyed his hair blond, wich in japanese kids/teen culture was like declare you're some kind of hooligan/punk), while we don't even know if Ryu even knew other kids of his own age before Ken as the area where he was found/Gouken's dojo looked pretty rural/woods Plus you have that Ken natural offensive style is something more immediate to learn compared to Ryu's defensive/counter approach

Thanks dude! Wish SC6 had all the stuff from SC5 though... guess they planned use it for DLC but end up they did'nt and we got less stuff lol

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Thanks! So like he does later in SF5 western version

The problem with Alex look in SFV is'nt much the muscle mass, is that due game ingame artstyle (and i guess external 3D modellers) face wise he looks older than that, and older than SF3 Alex In contrast Luke who's supposed to be bit older but still young reflect well his own young age Same Ed, but of course would prefer use Luke as example as it's hard guess wich is supposed to be Ed's age due the unnatural growth speed and ambiguous timeline Of course one can say each age differently and that's true, but if Alex was the kind who looks much older that should have been a thing of even older SF3 one too, but there both Kinu and Ikeno gave him way more youthful look Well, to be fair Lesnar got freak genetics no matter what, but he seems to have indeed found some magic potion after '95 (delts are usually easiest hint for juice) But again, SFV Alex could definitely have worked with bit lighter mass (he looks heavier than his older SF3 self, wich is'nt impossible but strange for somebody working on built muscle), but if face was'nt that mess would have been way more acceptable lol

Yeah i remember that, Ryu looked like around 10 year old when Gouken found him, but that does'nt give us much outside the fact kid is likely born in that area Btw i think the answer they gave can be either "diplomatic" non-answer if he is'nt or a straight necessity if he is and reveal it is keept as a dynamic for Ryu-Gouki final confrontation But tbh if he is i think we got possible hints even before Most insignificant but still dropping here, back to SF3 i remember them say that Ryu-Oro dynamic was straight inspired by Luke-Yoda from SW, wich made me think that if the range of SW inspiration for them was wider maybe Ryu-Akuma may have something of Luke-Vader too. But of course that's 100% speculation, nothing more than a possibility SF4 i found bizzarre the choice of words in the confrontation between Gouken and Akuma where the latter call Ryu "the cub" (curious to know what's the term used in original japanese version), wich can of course be used simply to point out the age/experience gap between themselves and him, but still feels as ifunder Gouki's pov he and Gouken are two strong beasts (like lions or something) and Ryu while still young is part of same pack... if by blood or not, there's some recognization of Ryu (while at it i doubt Gouki would see Ken in same way, but again may be due blood, due inferior potential or both) Then we have SFV with all that strange proud dad behaviour lol Reality is i think we will never have an answer till the day (SF6? SF7? lol) capcom will finally let Ryu and Akuma have their final and definitive clash... that day IF there's something to know we will know. If not even there Gouki pull a Vader, guess we can safe say he's not the father

Yeah i would love that too, mostly because i love hunt influences Capcom may have used for this or that The Sagat Ultra2 and possibly Asrafil giving them ideas for Gill were the only i remembered, but just looking some scans is jumped out the Gief-Rog scene done by Ryu lol I'm sure reading the whole thing somehing else may appear, capcom guys seems to keep at least in consideration SF japanese manga Same for the Kanzaki one, surely there's stuff there too (example Vega SFV design + one color as specific tribute) Correct, canon wise at the moment Ryu is an orphan, but orphans have biological parents too. Not saying that will happen, but IF they have in mind to make that Gouki is Ryu's father nothing in the current canon prevent them from do it and will explain some strange change of vibes we got in SF4 and SFV

Yeah, guessed was same guy given Daemos reaction lol Of the Shadaloo kings he's the one that fit the brute goon stereotype, and that's the kind of character japanese will ever pick as jobber lol That made sense as Ed felt like be a living time-bomb (due PsychoPower/Bison presence), and did'nt wanted Rog to be next to him when will explode He chosen Falke as companion because unlike Rog she was aready involved in that nightmare Tbh also can't shake off the idea that

I think in terms of prestige apex for Rog in SF timeline was and will ever be the very early phase we see him... so first SF2 where he's one of the not selectable Shadaloo bosses (even if the weakest one), wich made him seem "special" compared to standard characters Canon wise i think is possible some would think he was stronger before Alpha days when he was a professional boxer, but -unless confirmed by some capcom's piece- it's pretty hypothetic shit... if i have to make up a theory, maybe he used to be even better athletically but now have definitely more experience against non-boxing fighters In SF5 guess his best moment is easily that he defeated Necalli and made him retire, wich by itself would be very big deal if was'nt that capcom's writing of that character feel very weak In SF3 at least they made him have upper hand over Alex for an entire round, but tbh felt like they just disprected his punching power, when he's supposed to be one of the very best of the world at that ps: i personally don't care, but guess you can edit your previous long quote to not have people be pissed at you

Was Vasili the guy who mixed actual canon with his headcanon in one big text thing, then pretend it's all official canon Bible and got mad if people told him his "theories" are not Capcom's canon? Yasushi's Ryu (SF2V manga @Sano posted) was scrappy as fuck He was also creative and instictive fighter, adapting to the fight or situations pretty dynamically... aside the last fight of these scans he ever win his fights by training+talent+will rather than "magic" ki power-up. And iirc even in that fight with Asrafil he managed to fight and even win various phases mostly as himself... problem was as i said before that Asrafil was designed to regenerate more powerful each time, so in his last form he simply gone above "basic Ryu" abilities He still showed empathy (so without go too "edgy" twist of the character) even with enemies that would murder him, example he judo throw Rog from a rooftop but made him land on a parked car on purpose to not kill him, and generally respected his opponents after a good fight I remember not liking some things about that manga back then (Ryu having long spiky hair and no headband to begin with) but he was an entertaining Ryu indeed Looked for my old GAME OVER numbers (that i did'nt touched in decades) to take some pics but guess lost them either when i moved in my single home, or when i moved to my woman's one But i checked a bit the link i posted Fun thing i found is Ryu pulling a Zangief on Rog, decades before Gief himself did in ASF The later part with Ryu showing teeth was him telling to Rog that since he retired from boxing world he must have lost lot of power (as did'nt even broke a tooth) and that he could not have tanked his punches if Rog was in his prime days, iirc also in Kanzaki's one something similar was said (or my memory is mixing things lol) Wonder if Capcom itself considered that while writing the story of Alex being able in the mma tournament final to tank Rog's punches for 2 rounds and then winning by one single counter-punch never liked that one much (not Alex winning part, but outpunching Rog) but would be far more acceptable if was canon thing that Rog's power by the time of SF3 had huge decay from his prime days

For Mai Ling Chun li should have been the pick, but Rose-Tessa would have been spot on 👍 The one that pissed me off has been fucking ED getting Demitri Maximoff (Darkstalkers) costume lol Would have accepted either Bison or Urien

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Wow that's a jump in the past for me I have somewhere at home the italian version of these (was released in monthly volumes called "Game Over" that got that, an ugly fatal fury manga -later replaced by a gundam one- and a short Samurai Shodown chibi comic strip) Some things i remember of that specific final fight (lot of years passed) - Asrafil(? Italian version at least), the Gill-looking "demon" is an artificial being created by Bison's (who there had white hair like in V) Shadaloo labs, and Bison managed to get Ryu there to face it to test the monster fighting abilities Bison talks about it as if is supposed to be the ultimate form of life or some shit, not sure if considered himself superior to it or not -The creature was able to completely regenerate, each time it will be evolved changing physical look to adapt against the attack that destroyed him Iirc -but not sure- phases were Get wings (for extra speed?) v Armored shiny body parts (that reflect hado energy like a mirror), i remember Ryu throwing his own blood on him to ruin the "mirror" effect and inflict damage v Greater muscle/strenght wich made him able to physically force together opposed energies like hado and psycho power in one single huge attack... i remember thinking that Sagat Ultra2 in SF4 seems to be inspired by that, pretty similar pose/action. Iirc Bison boast about the fact that this ultimate creature is the only being able to do such feat, but Ryu (evil version) was able to replicate something similar v Evil Ryu trigger in like some sort of Mister Hyde when Ryu is about to get killed by Asrafil final form. He destroy his artificial heart, wich was the secret of his regeneration Fun thing is manga was made in 1995, i would not be suprised is some traits of SF3 Gill as Boss even more extreme than Bison came from Asrafil RANDOM STUFF - whole series is essentially based on Ryu - manga was violent af lol, way more than usual SF tone - there were multiple robots with Ryu appearance, and some with other figthers appearance (honda and Sagat iirc) -Bison SAVE Ryu at some point from them lol (guess to keep Ryu for the final experiment/duel) - Ryu fought Vega(in north pole lol) and Rog(in some american city), don't remember who else - DINOSAURS lmao - Guile fighting Bison on a plain or something, lose and fall from the plane but for whatever reason still laugh and give Bison the middle finger while falling lol - Is possible see good chunk of it (in whatever language) here https://www.facebook.com/photo/?fbid=382316761836649&set=a.382316291836696.80767.135004579901203 Well, we have the mighty 🤣

Welcome Sano! Yeah fun thing of SFV playable Ed with NS uniform is that he's technically non canon in SFV present, both as uniform and muscle mass lol SFV standard costume in theory should have been his white hoodie one and much less muscular as we seen him with Rog in ASF events, NS uniform should still not even exist (so also playable Falke is not canon in current timeline) Fun thing is all his quotes on contrary seems to reflect young correct Ed, he never mention Neo Shadaloo In theory Standard NS costume of Ed should have been his Story costume (wich often represent a different time, usually past), but guess Capcom either thought white hoodie was just too simple/bland to be his official Standard look (style wise many urban clothes have been used as secondary Story costumes in SFV) or maybe they originally thought to add the birth of NS in SFV then they dropped the idea for whatever reason

Brunette surely is Ibuki Blonde may be SF3 version of Kolin with her asymmetrical haircut Blond kid next to them is Mel No idea who's taking tea with Karin, we see too little to be sure