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2 minutes ago, CESTUS III said:

 

If there's something i learned in years of SRK is that despite Capcom's errors and us SF-worshippers good intentions (and even some great ideas), one sure fucking truth in life is that fans should NEVER be allowed to touch SF canon*

 

I remember how ASF should have been according to some, or wich changes some characters should get, or wich characters should be in the cast

 

 

*would have no problem fix some clear errors in char profiles, but touch story? Nevah

I wonder why 🤔. But i am over it, ima write my own shit, post it on some obscure website and get famous 30 or 40 years now 😌.

1 minute ago, CESTUS III said:

Fun thing is that while it surprised me too at first read about Ryu hanging with criminals, reality is we ever seen him do stuff like this

http://fightingstreet.com/folders/artworkfolder/sprites/sf_sprites/sfii_sprites/ssfiix_sprites/ssfiix_endings/ssfiix_endryu.gif

or get even more involved in various anime (non canon but well fitting the char) like SF2tAM or SF2V in more organized underground fighting circuits, so him being at least familiar with street level crime makes more sense than not lol

 

Plus Capcom (and many anime) offer bit naive/childish view of street level crime punks, portraying them more as chaotic people that don't follow rules than legit EVIL pieces of shit... good example is that most of them (think many Mad Gear members or Birdie) through years has been made less "criminal" and more goofy/caricature, to the point they seem more than anything misfits that struggle to fit society

 

Ryu is my fav character and may surprise i agree with you

I don't need most of them either

But i really like Gouken for his great old master design and uniqueness compared to the classic shoto, so would be my third pick after Ryu and Ken(done different as in SFV), who are a must to me

 

Necalli IS awesome

His design is great and his ancient aztec background could have offered SO MUCH as villain, if i can forget story (we go on that in the paragraph below) and stick to his concept he's still infinitely more interesting/exotic/different threat for Ryu than the endless cycle of boring stronk japan devil shoto bullshit Akuma capcom trapped us in for decades.

Twice if we think that they feel can't even let another Boss sell us that he's #1, because ten minutes after Akuma will pull a Yujiro Hanma and wreck him because nobody is stronk as stronk japan devil shoto. Damn.

 

Necalli deserved much more

Capcom is guilty of give him absolute shit writing, there was so much they could have done with him and they did that crap lol

 

 

Well yeah true. This always happens with Capcom cause they have SOOOOOOOOOOO much damn potential when it comes to these characters and they give them the bare minimum 😤.  Idk maybe we should write our own lore 😔.

49 minutes ago, CESTUS III said:

You're welcome bro

For the Ken part of him finding in his family motivation/source of strenght, first time i remember somebody in the old forum mentioning it translating from japanese some Capcom text info. Sadly i can't be more precise on that one as i don't remember better, nor who did the translation (@Miðgarðsorm? RyoRedCyclone?)

 

A second time we got the xmas SFV side-story, where it's clearly said that thinking he had to protect his family, Ken thrown on the mysterious aggressor (Zangief, but was all misunderstanding lol) probably the most powerful Shoryuken of his life

Then we have a non-canon example in Street Fighter III: Ryu Final manga... again, not from Capcom, but there Nakahira offer a point of view that IMHO is'nt much far from Capcom's and exactly about what we are talking about.

In the manga Sean believe family made Ken weaker, while Ken proof it's the contrary winning a sparring with Ryu that to some extent even parallel a part of SFV ASF story

 

About Ryu life wiki got a good piece

 

My 2cents on this is i don't think Ryu felt Akuma was simply a "fellow student" as the gap back then was so immense that child-Ryu probably did'nt seen Gouki as something he could compare himself with. Plus again, i think since Gouken was his Master back then he seen Gouki as someting similar, think like Sean can see Ryu in SF3

 

But i agree with you on why by the time of SF4 he does'nt call Akuma a "Master", even if more than disgust itself i think it's bit deeper thing (more a principle than an emotion), the straight refusal of recognize Gouki's achievements due how he obtained them*... after all we seen Ryu in SF4 saying in rival cutscene that from his point of view Akuma did'nt surpassed human level, but just thrown away his own humanity

 

Interesting Gen say something very similar to Akuma in SFV before be killed by him, insisting even in his death moment that Akuma is fooling himself

Then in same story you have Ryu that seems way less "angry" than he was in SF4 about Akuma's perspective, guess it's his new mood vs evil as we seen he interacted with Kage in similar way

 

*ironically Akuma seems to disprect Bison for very same reason, he's disgusted by HOW he achieved his power lol

 

Oh yeah, it is proven that Ken gets some form of strength from his family. It's mostly highlighted throughout SFV

Necalli don't deserve to celebrate shit

35 minutes ago, martinitolove said:

I've contacted Kiki. He answered that due to him not working for Capcom anymore, it won't be possible to update and publish the rotunda drawing...

Any other ideas whom to ask?

Is one of you good enough with Photoshop to extract it out of the video, clean it up and save as a picture file?

He's not working for them nomore? What a shame, i liked his unique art style 

32 minutes ago, Technical Currency said:

Huh, for some reason I always thought Ryu was a baby when Gouken found him. Not sure if that was canon or fanon though. Him being found by Gouken later in life might make sense though, and explains a bit about how Ken caught up to him so fast, given they probably started serious training around the same time as opposed to Ryu having a decade head start.

While they're not canon I am looking forward to the one shots Udon is apparently going to feature for every SFII character. I don't imagine they'll go to in depth or contain any shocking information but it will be interesting to see what they do with them.

They said Ryu was a baby or at least a very young child when Gouken found him

4 hours ago, CESTUS III said:

Yeah i would love that too, mostly because i love hunt influences Capcom may have used for this or that

The Sagat Ultra2 and possibly Asrafil giving them ideas for Gill were the only i remembered, but just looking some scans is jumped out the Gief-Rog scene done by Ryu lol

 

I'm sure reading the whole thing somehing else may appear, capcom guys seems to keep at least in consideration SF japanese manga

Same for the Kanzaki one, surely there's stuff there too (example Vega SFV design + one color as specific tribute)

 

Correct, canon wise at the moment Ryu is an orphan, but orphans have biological parents too.

Not saying that will happen, but IF they have in mind to make that Gouki is Ryu's father nothing in the current canon prevent them from do it and will explain some strange change of vibes we got in SF4 and SFV

Yeah but i thought an orphan was a child with deceased parents, i think maybe in this case that Ryu's parents left him, or he simply has no memories of them 

1 hour ago, CESTUS III said:

Yeah, guessed was same guy given Daemos reaction lol

Of the Shadaloo kings he's the one that fit the brute goon stereotype, and that's the kind of character japanese will ever pick as jobber lol

That made sense as Ed felt like be a living time-bomb (due PsychoPower/Bison presence), and did'nt wanted Rog to be next to him when will explode

He chosen Falke as companion because unlike Rog she was aready involved in that nightmare

Tbh also can't shake off the idea that

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Gouki may very well just be Ryu's biological father

I'm not even considering/being influenced by other non canon media like SF:AF or SFAtA, just elements in official games (SF4, SF5 but also a Capcom comment about SF3) are giving me that vibe

 

I thought Ryu was an orphan. 

Just now, sKreetFighteZ said:

Now how'd that happen

Okay maybe he's a second parent 

29 minutes ago, BootyWarrior said:

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Now how'd that happen

20 minutes ago, Hawkingbird said:

It's a company where most of the top executives are carnies. Scam bag shit is to be expected

Yeah but some of it is interesting but some is tragic

Just now, sKreetFighteZ said:

Exactly. They always give Rog the short end of the stick for what reason exactly ? Like it makes no sense and they can never make up their minds. Let's not forget them breaking up him and Ed...THEY WERE MEANT TO BE SUPERSTARS 

Besides, he's technically is the first parent with their child on the roster . 

31 minutes ago, CESTUS III said:

I think in terms of prestige apex for Rog in SF timeline was and will ever be the very early phase we see him...  so first SF2 where he's one of the not selectable Shadaloo bosses (even if the weakest one), wich made him seem "special" compared to standard characters

 

Canon wise i think is possible some would think he was stronger before Alpha days when he was a professional boxer, but -unless confirmed by some capcom's piece- it's pretty hypothetic shit... if i have to make up a theory, maybe he used to be even better athletically but now have definitely more experience against non-boxing fighters

 

In SF5 guess his best moment is easily that he defeated Necalli and made him retire, wich by itself would be very big deal if was'nt that capcom's writing of that character feel very  weak

 

In SF3 at least they made him have upper hand over Alex for an entire round, but tbh felt like they just disprected his punching power, when he's supposed to be one of the very best of the world at that

 

ps: i personally don't care, but guess you can edit your previous long quote to not have people be pissed at you

 

 

Exactly. They always give Rog the short end of the stick for what reason exactly ? Like it makes no sense and they can never make up their minds. Let's not forget them breaking up him and Ed...THEY WERE MEANT TO BE SUPERSTARS 

32 minutes ago, Lantis said:

https://wrestletalk.com/news/wwe-references-mickie-james-trash-bag-incident-smackdown/

Dayum! That's messed up. It seems that WWE always has some scandals or weird stuff going on 

Trash bag incident  ?

1 hour ago, CESTUS III said:

Was Vasili the guy who mixed actual canon with his headcanon in one big text thing, then pretend it's all official canon Bible and got mad if people told him his "theories" are not Capcom's canon?

 

Yasushi's Ryu (SF2V manga @Sano posted) was scrappy as fuck

He was also creative and instictive fighter, adapting to the fight or situations pretty dynamically... aside the last fight of these scans he ever win his fights by training+talent+will rather than "magic" ki power-up.

And iirc even in that fight with Asrafil he managed to fight and even win various phases mostly as himself... problem was as i said before that Asrafil was designed to regenerate more powerful each time, so in his last form he simply gone above "basic Ryu" abilities

 

He still showed empathy (so without go too "edgy" twist of the character) even with enemies that would murder him, example he judo throw Rog from a rooftop but made him land on a parked car on purpose to not kill him, and generally respected his opponents after a good fight

 

I remember not liking some things about that manga back then (Ryu having long spiky hair and no headband to begin with) but he was an entertaining Ryu indeed

 

Looked for my old GAME OVER numbers (that i did'nt touched in decades) to take some pics but guess lost them either when i moved in my single home, or when i moved to my woman's one

 

But i checked a bit the link i posted

Fun thing i found is Ryu pulling a Zangief on Rog, decades before Gief himself did in ASF

 

The later part with Ryu showing teeth was him telling to Rog  that since he retired from boxing world he must have lost lot of power (as did'nt even broke a tooth) and that he could not have tanked his punches if Rog was in his prime days, iirc also in Kanzaki's one something similar was said (or my memory is mixing things lol)

Wonder if Capcom itself considered that while writing the story of Alex being able in the mma tournament final to tank Rog's punches for 2 rounds and then winning by one single counter-punch

never liked that one much (not Alex winning part, but outpunching Rog) but would be far more acceptable if was canon thing that Rog's power by the time of SF3 had huge decay from his prime days

 

 

The only justice Rog was given was in SF5 but they fucked that up too 

17 hours ago, martinitolove said:

That would be amazing! Thank you!!!

 

But she and Cammy share a similar move set...

 

Is there a jpg of this marvellous art:

 

Kiki should update it with the later released characters and release as an art piece.

 

And an All About SFV book is now due 😉

If you want any scans, i would be more than happy to send them to you and im still looking for SF3. Unfortunately there isn't a full picture of this, it's just a video which sucks. Probably need to make a petition so Kiki can turn this into one big ass wallpaper or some shit. 

56 minutes ago, martinitolove said:

Yes, I do! And All About Capcom Fighting Games, and SF3, and Warzard.

 

By the way I'm really wondering why since Zeku has a Kenji costume and Alex has a Leo costume the team at Capcom doesn't give Rose a Tessa and Cammy a Mai Ling costume...

I have some scans of All About Capcom Fighting Games that a friend gave me, and i can find SF3 for you and i don't know anything about Warzard but i can also find that for you. 

7 hours ago, martinitolove said:

Thank you! I've seen the Secret Files only from SF3, not from Alpha. Does someone has them scanned?

 

And another question. There were some All About books. One about Capcom fighting games I do own, but it's faaar away now. I know there is one regarding Alpha series, SF3 and Warzard. Has someone scanned them and can share the scans with me, please?

Are you looking for All About Street Fighter Alpha ? 

1 hour ago, Sano said:

No problem. I have no idea when he'll finish though. Hopefully 2022 sometime. 

Aww man, that gamest thread was nice. 

1 hour ago, Sano said:

Hey it's Sano from Shoryuken.com. What's good!

 

Real name's Anthony Collado by the way. These days I run the fan page Capcompendium on Facebook, which is about every Capcom  game but Street Fighter comes up a lot. I also write for another page on Facebook called The  Bitten Apple. We do YouTube vids and I appear now and then. That's pretty much what I'm up to these days.

 

Last big storyline thing that came out about a month back,  it was revealed that there are parts of Street Fighter V that take place after Street Fighter III Third Strike. Here's a really good YouTube vids about that.  Apologies if it was posted already. 

 

 

I last talked to vasili10 about three months ago or so. He's working on an update to the Street Fighter Plot Guide.  Whenever he does finish it I'll be sure to share. 

 

Hope everyone is doing well and their loved ones are safe and healthy during the Coronapocalypse lol! Happy New Year! 

When he updates the plot guide, can u send it to me. I saw him post about the gamest stories and i love them

49 minutes ago, BootyWarrior said:

I like how even the writers at UDON, struggle to come up with a scenario where Ryu and Chun-Li would ever interact with each other outside of forced events caused by *insert evil organization"

They can just simply have a fight with one another similar to how Ken and Ryu does, as they both respect each other as fighters so i don't know why they wouldn't meet outside of fighting. 

1 hour ago, martinitolove said:

How good you guys know these capcom characters?

On this page who are the boy in red jacket and his two friends (lower left corner)

https://readcomicsonline.ru/comic/fcbd-2020-collection/StreetFighter/6

 

On this page who are the blonde and brunette girls dancing left of Makoto, and the blonde girl drinking tea with Karin

https://readcomicsonline.ru/comic/fcbd-2020-collection/StreetFighter/7

I believe that the two girls are Blaire Dame and Pullum Purna (explains the long ponytail), however im unsure who the dude is 

11 minutes ago, mykka said:

Interesting retro fun fact, in Alpha 3, Rose's sub boss battle was meant to be Aprile, and T Hawk's sub boss battle was meant to be Noembelu.

 

Of course, capacity to do certain things were limited back then, so they used Juni/Juli for everyone.

I heard about the whole Aprile thing but I only thought they just used Noey as a side since they already had Juli to be his enemy. I heard that they used Juni and Juli because they didn't want to flesh out the other dolls

2 hours ago, martinitolove said:

Hey, SF-fans!

For many years I've been a Street Fighter games and Udon comics fan, posting at the Shoryuken forum. Latly the forum died off. Now I'm searching for another forum, where fans discuss UDON's Street Fighter comics, and maybe even the creators visit from time to time. Do you know of such thing?

There are big plans by Udon for 2022, so it's a good time to kick start a discussion!

 

First there was alt.games.sf2, then www.mmcafe.com, then SRK, then forums.streetfighteronline.com. Can we start a thread here? I've seen Chun-Li_Forever somewhere here. But no Sano...

Are there new comics released? I liked reading the SF Udon comics