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Also, he's 56 (born 1968). I just saw that. I know that should mean nothing, but to me it's extra funny that a dude in his mid-fifties is on twitter all day crying about DEI and face models when his crowd funded game gets glacial updates and is likely years from being complete even if he is working on it.

To the maybe one or two of you who know who Joyner Lucas is, tell me this isn't some shit he would do.

I can go to the same social media, sales, or youtube you do to see that you only speak for a few people in comparison to everyone else. Again, I don't know what hug-box you're in, but most people do not give a fuck about this shit. I happen to be one of those people, and truly can't understand those who do. It's why I asked in the first place. Wrong. MK11, the last game, sold 3 mil by the end of 2019 (the year of it's release) after an April release. MK1 has sold over 3 mil now, 6 months past release. Not "way less". https://gameworldobserver.com/2023/11/09/mortal-kombat-1-sales-3-million-copies-vs-other-mk-games Spiderman 1 sold 9m units by the end of 2018 (the year of its release) after dropping in September. Spider-Man 2 has sold 10m to date after dropping in october. It has been a slower climb, but still not "way less" than SM1 by the same time out. Horizon 1 sold 7 mil its first year, and Horizon 2 sold 8. Again, not "way less". Horizon Forbidden West is the only one of these that's been out more than a year (vs the predecessors, which have been out 5), so I'm doing first year sales. And also, even if you were right and sales had a major decline, linking that to "not as hot/appealing as I'd like" faces in any way is crazy talk. It's just stupid to suggest the game would fail even partially because of the heroine's face vs literally anything else people are talking about with that game right now. And again, no games are failing because of this type of shit. I'm not. I said the fixation on a VG lady being hot is weird. I said I could understand if it was a dogface or something drastic, and this shit people are flipping out over just isn't drastic. This is not just "aesthetics in games", it's "I only deal with the finest digital bitches". You can keep your money and avoid any game you want because a lady (main or not) isn't as hot as you think she should be. That's fine. But to prattle on about it sounds childish to most people. I can't help that. And that's not arrogance (at least on my part). It's just me having grown out of that by 13.

The thing is, literally everybody agreed that ugly sonic was a nightmare. That's why they changed it. Only a small portion of people on the internet think that the "face-gate" girls are ugly period or ugly compared to their model. That's why they just get eye-rolls from most people.

Because: 1.) There's debate, even here, on if there even were changes in the first place. 2.) If there are these tiny differences between model and character (for regular characters that should be 1-1), they could be for a multitude of reasons relating to gaming engine. 3.) Again, even if there were these changes, we're talking changes where people debate if they exist. That lets you know they're not serious. Why are these non-serious changes grinding to you personally? If they changed it, what do you get out of a game where the in game model looks a little more like the face model? 1.) Don't let whatever echo chamber you're in fool you: most people do NOT give one thrust of a fuck about this, or see any "pattern". People were crying a little over Tanya's face in MK1. MK1 still sold. People were crying over Mary Jane in Spider-Man 2. That game still sold. People were crying over Aloy's face. Forbidden West still sold. Even on social media/youtube, if there are problems brought up with those games, it has NOTHING to do with the faces. This star wars game will be the same. Whether it bombs or sells well, nobody will give a fuck about the heroine's face at that point. 2.) Art style is one thing; this fervent need for a video game girl to be hot is another. It doesn't affect gameplay, which is why most people don't care about it. And plus, the girls aren't even unattractive (to most people). I could see if they made somebody into a real dogface when the model is a hottie. Or, like, made Mary Jane a white Zendaya in Spider-Man 2 for no reason. But this is picking over tiny differences that, again, most people don't care about. So why do you care about them?

I'm curious, and I want to get past the "to each his own" stuff: what does any of this matter? I'm not being sarcastic; what does any of this matter?

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The crazy thing about this whole mess is that it does not fucking matter whatsoever. It's puddlegate, only more pathetic, since puddlegate at least stopped when Spider-Man 1 came out. I could see some bitching over things if differences between games (or models and characters) were drastic, but people are bitching over differences that are not major at all. Hell, even if the gaming industry WAS undoubtedly making women less attractive in gaming, does that affect gameplay at all? Does it take people out of the story? The overwhelming answer seems to be no. I know for me, a woman being finer would not have moved the needle one mm on any game I loved/hated over the past 20 or so years I've been gaming. That's why this whole thing baffles me: I literally can't imagine a man over the age of 18 giving a fuck about how hot video game girls are. That is, unless it's an affront to the character somehow. All the stuff people whine about so far hasn't been.

Yeah, I don't know much about DEI, but invariably, someone screaming about it on twitter is a racist or sexist loser. It's starting to take over "woke" in that regard.

HOW can one look at her in motion like this: And see a "manface"? Or a face that's SO drastically different from the last game (outside of a graphics upgrade)? Like, HOW? I'm biased: even if they were actively changing faces, and I cared, that'd be issue 9,726 I have with gaming. Nowhere close to the top 10. But I'm literally not seeing any difference. Every one of these "face-gates" seems so fucking stupid to me.

Why is it always that same picture? Have you played or watched even a YT short of the actual game to see her face looks way better in motion? Hell, even in that comparison pic, she's scrunching her face up at something in the second half.

My main is Kitana, but I might go back to my MK9 days where I was wrecking shop with 'Mac. It's early, but it looks like they did a WAY better job with him than I was anticipating.

What games have DEI affected that would have been SO AMAZING if it wasn't a factor though? Most trash games wouldn't have NOT been saved had they ducked diversity. Hell, there are plenty of games that are trash with no diversity. I'm not well read on DEI in general, but this overall feels like yet another thing those annoying anti-woke fucks are beating into the ground for relevance.

All I know is that that Grummz guy (Mark Kern) is sad. Bear in mind, I don't know him, but... looking at his feed, it's next to nothing but screaming woke and DEI at shit all damn day while the game he's supposed to be making might never come out. If you're the only dev on that game, you need to stay your ass in the studio and stop crying about all this other shit on twitter.

I'm randomly curious: did the Stellar Blade devs do anything besides make a hot main character to get embroiled in this loser-ass culture war? I've seen next to nothing about this game but that stuff, until the gameplay demos in the past week.

I don't play guilty gear at all, but: how are even the joke designs cool? That team is on some blue celestial cocaine or something, because I haven't seen them miss yet with a design.

Congrats.

Just the other day I saw someone call her Gabrielle Coonion, and another person on the same note call her Gabrielle Confederacy. They were both jumping off someone else calling her an evil Gabrielle Union. Twitter can be amazing. But back on topic, that Gothix chick is on that type of shit. So, I'd disregard anything she says.

I've seen that woman (Gothix) and she's one of those Coondice Owens types. Wouldn't believe anything she has to say. EDIT: Maybe "wouldn't believe" isn't wholly right. I'd believe they fired her. But I'd also believe she deserved it.

What, specifically, did the woman at the head of BGG say? People are talking like she said she doesn't hire white people, when that was another woman at another studio (the ones doing Rise of Hydra). The only ones I see saying the head of BGG explicitly doesn't hire white ever are anti-woke channels, going off a tweet where Black Girl Gamers told black women content D&D creators to hit them up for some brand thing. I'm just seeing this stuff though, so it's possible I missed something.

That whole BGG thing would be puzzling to me if it wasn't plain what these people are up to. They want it to not exist, for... reasons. Otherwise, why do you even give a fuck how many white people an organization named BLACK GIRL GAMERS are hiring? It's so annoying to constantly see these fucking chuds of all types talk that "bootstrap" and "get your own X" shit, but the minute someone does that, they're crying about not being included somehow.

It would be hilarious if the Zat "alts" that pop up here and there weren't Zat at all, but just Zat-level stupid. Zat doppelgangers paying for his sins. But the likely truth that it really is him is much more sad.

Yeah they did a hell of a lot better in the sequel. I didn't care much about it in the first, because the story was still good enough to pull me in, but it was noticeable.

1.) How many instances are there of B-List actors being used for appearance and it not looking like them? Besides Kratos/Chris Judge (kinda)? All the instances of whine we've seen over this matter in recent months were over models you wouldn't know by name. Does anyone know Mary Jane's from Spider-Man 2's model's name off the top? How about Tanya from MK1? How about this latest game, Unknown9? On the other hand, I can clearly see that Nitara from MK1 is Megan Fox, the Death Stranding guy is Donal Logue, Sylens is Lance Reddick, and so on. People are yet again crying over shit that affects nothing. 2.) Publishers like to say the costs of game development are going up and up, and maybe that's true. But they're mostly saying that to justify microtransactions. This is a tangent, but yet another thing in the million I hate about micros. Publishers like to hold up development costs and the devs themselves as a shield, but the money from microtransactions doesn't really go back to the team or back to production. I doubt the devs get any kind of bonus when COD does a billion in sales and microtransactions, no matter how much it costs to make.

He must be in some real trouble, because they don't come after you like this for nothing. They raid two of his homes at the same time? That's crazy. All I know is Twitter is killing me with all the memes and shit.