bakfromon

SGS is now officially described in game as "a myriad of attacks made in a single second"

No demons involved, it doesn't do more damage for accumulated sins. It doesn't even implant ki into the body to make it explode like JP.

No more speculation. The End!

2 hours ago, bakfromon said:

 

 

They decided to add the full script to the SGS form Ryu Final

 

 

 

 

I noticed that the parable that Udon had translated was a bit wonky and out of order.

We all know that Capcom decides to transiterate it as "Die One Thousand Deaths" but Udon tried to be more faithful to what was being written. 

一瞬千撃抜山蓋世鬼哭啾啾故 豪鬼成

One thousand instant strikes, with enough power to rend mountains and overshadow the world, the souls of the dead cry out, that which has become a great demon. 

2 hours ago, Shakunetsu said:

 

There is something look visually good in the new SGS

 

I like the new backward teleport stance

 

Not a fan that every shoto still has the same vanila tatsu in SF6... SF5 did better

 

 

 

The "new" teleport animation is borrowed from SFEX

14 minutes ago, Shakunetsu said:

 

 

Of course, as I mentioned numerous times the design concept has been borrowed from the manga

They decided to add the full script to the SGS form Ryu Final

13 hours ago, CESTUS III said:

This part is missing in Akuma's path, his fist is more like a katana (or to keep the staff parallel, a spear) where only one side of the weapon is the one used to attack... meanwhile we seen Ryu in SF6 handle both (him controlling SnH at begin of Shin Shoryuken)

 

It's curious if we think watching Ryu/Akuma SF6 cutscenes the Shoryuken seem to symbolize for both respective paths to express Ansatsuken, and kinda like bojutsu shoryuken involve an upper tip (fist) and a lower tip (knee), and in SF6 they gave more emphasis than usual on the knee hit, making it a move that strike evenly on upper/heaven/fist side and lower/earth/knee (...and kinda in the middle with first uppercut)

In japanese martial arts heaven/earth is often used to mean high/low

Very very first definition of SF shoryuken is

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"Attack from a low position, throwing an uppercut and knee kick." from Fighting Street manual.

Not sure if i'm explaining it well, but what i'm trying to say is that if shoryuken will be the technique used to declare Ansastuken worthy successor seems Akuma who thinks only about heaven and threw away earth (his humanity) already missed the original meaning of the move

 

ps: is fun at first i fucking hated the knee to be so evident in SF6, because found more pleasant visually the move to focus on the fist only... iirc even debated this with somebody before SF6 launch, not sure if was you or somedy else, we write so much lol

Iirc i was even trying to blame it on camera angle, thought move animation did shit job at show how the chin strike was(or should be in my mind) main focus, while i was wrong and actually even if "uncool" there may be very good reason knee is getting some spotlight too

Now that the move done like that may have a symbolic meaning (that i ever missed lol) for whole Ansatsuken style i can live with it much more lol😆

This is it, and it is because Ryu won't succumb to the SnH in the way Akuma wants he's decided to play Ryu's game and start to take inspiration from him. The thing is when it comes to the Shoryu in canon it was the second most effective move in Ansatusken right below the SGS. Goutetsu didn't ban the move, but Gouken did for himself yet he did teach it to his students as their most potent attack. In canon, the SRK is supposed to be a last resort move which is why both Ryu and Ken have some variant of it as their SA3 & CA .

I understand from the canon of SRK that it by design is meant to kill in one hit.

The SRK was already scientifically proven to have the potential to knock a person's head clean off their shoulders.

What is Akuma doing to the statue in SF6 that he's practicing his Shoryu on?

It's a blatant killing move yet Gouken and Ryu have made the attack just as effective without the destruction and killing through the technique. 

How is the technique performed?

Look at the obvious difference between a Tiger Uppercut and SRK. 

From the initial description of an SRK you would think a style like Muay Thai would benefit from an extra knee strike within the said technique. 

Although, Sagat has always performed Tiger Uppercut without a launching knee like the Shoryu.

Possibly because even Sagat knew that adding such impact without good judgment would probably end in disaster.

The Shin Shoryu in SF6 displays that Ryu launches his opponent with his knee during the final hit and that his fist only initially connects with the jaw and gut of his opponent. It doesn't launch the opponent through his jaw like a typical SRK would be designed to do. The launching action is directed toward the opponent's full body through a knee to the stomach in hopes of a clean KO.

This is in direct contrast to Kage just a game prior in SF5 who would launch a knee in conjunction with his fist connected directly to his opponent's jaw during his Metsu Shoryu. This would probably add more impact to the devastating nature of the SRK in rending a person's head from their neck.

On 3/11/2024 at 11:08 PM, CESTUS III said:

Beside hinting maybe Akuma finally consider him ready, what i really like is the symmetry of the two cutscenes

Both go for some sort of "ultimate" shoryuken

Both have a their soul/power taking shape in a mythical figure

Ryu is punching one of the lightest/delicate object, while Akuma is punching one(two) of the hardest/heaviest

 

Last line is super interesting to me because it sells the dfference of their paths... on surface one could guess Akuma punching the stone is training "harder" wich will result in greater strenght, yet we see Ryu too is flexing hard as fuck (would say even more than Lv3 Shin Shoryu) all the muscle of his arm before punching the petal, guess his focus is deliver the most powerful strike while at same time not destroying the petal itself

Remind me a lot when in ASF he throw an huge af hadouken straight through Chun Li/Li Fen without harm them and at same time destroying all the ceiling pieces that were crumbling on their heads

The whole Ryu petal training is a callback to the Nakahira manga and his Third Strike ending. At the beginning of the manga, it was explained that part of Gouken's teachings included Ryu and Ken using their energy to coax a leaf down from a tree and into their hands. 
During the SF3 ending we see Ryu himself saying he's far from even telling where the leaves would fall although he is keen enough to catch a few in his hand by chance.

During SF6 Ryu now has enough mastery to seemingly not only control multiple petals from the tree through his energy, they seem to flow with it as well. 

In contrast to Akuma's hardstyle training which focuses solely on destruction, Ryu's style is more so akin to Gouken's now more than ever. 

Akuma probably knows he's failed in trying to goad Ryu into succumbing to SnH and he's giving up on trying to convert him over and is preparing for their next meeting

I had been speculating for some time that the aura surrounding Ryu's fist during his Shin Shoryu was SnH and from the look of Akuma's fist in the teaser trailer they're a mirror of each other.

4 hours ago, CESTUS III said:

 

Damn, now i want ALL of these artworks for rest of the cast too 🥲

These are just concepts for Luke of course. Interesting that at least 5 of those concepts for Luke are black characters. Regarding the fact the whole game is urban-themed and that they were considering a person of color to be the main character of SF6 is kinda fitting I feel.

Also, the artwork in the second-row sort of resembles Nash from SFA3, the poses are similar.

12 hours ago, CESTUS III said:

Little discovery i just noticed, with Ed patch seems they expanded the number of fighters they use for Metro City arena tournaments... now you can fight also Azam and some of the fighters that were in the Nayshall tournament quest

 

There's not much to gain, none of them give you rewards you can't already find in WTM, but they help bit add variety to the experience (even if Azam is the only "unique" fighter)

They should have more unique fighter experiences. The fact that there are unique fighters like Azam  and even Carlos who have their own unique move sets means they probably could do a Falke or Balrog for Ed's inclusion (There was even a bootleg Balrog when Rashid was included for crying out loud!)  

5 hours ago, Dragonfave723 said:

The Neo Shadaloo dolphin is named Amrita and the baby is Goliath.

Nakayama had made a comment to a fan a few years ago regarding him wanting Ed to have  a group of friends. He hinted that the naming convention of the friends would follow some sort of Alphabet pattern. 
 

The first Neo Shadaloo members were the first in the Alphabet series, and now we have the rest.  (The Dolphin Amrita is “A” and Goliath is “G”)

2 hours ago, DarthEnderX said:

I'll be honest...ALL of Neo Shadaloo suck.

 

Ed and Falke are boring, and the rest are fucking corny.

To be fair apparently Ed hates Neo Shadaloo too…He hates them following him all over the place even though all he wears is Neo Shadaloo branded motifs….Then again those aren’t his Neo Shadaloo members. 
 

No Falke WT cameo either like Fang or Azam. 

6 hours ago, YagamiFire said:

Post SF5, Ed and Crew started rolling up on Shadaloo bases to kick ass and take names. While doing so, others started referring to them as a 'Neo Shadaloo' likely because they seemed to be snatching up Shadaloo assets (though in reality they were rescuing those living assets). That name spread to the point that Shadaloo remnants started calling THEMSELVES Neo-Shadaloo and are the faction looking to make Ed their leader.

 

Basically, Ed didn't care what he was called and got labeled 'Neo Shadaloo' and that 'brand' caught on amongst radicals that believe Ed could be the 2nd coming of Bison and they now want to make it true even if they have to force Ed into it. Ed, true to form, could give a damn less and if people want to call him Neo Shadaloo then that's fine with him because he'll punch in the face of anyone that tries to mess with him or his people.

The whole Neo Shadaloo narrative doesn’t seem very fleshed out. It almost seems like theirs two factions that are actively working against each other. 
 

You have Ed’s faction which is trying to shut down old Shadaloo operations and free the possible abductees which have been experimented on with Psycho Power.  Then you have another faction that aligns with the old Shadaloo motives and is kidnapping individuals like Bosch and experimenting on them with Psycho Power.  
 

For how many for how ever many Shadaloo abductees Ed’s faction can save there will be a counter faction which is abducting more people to replace the ones set free.
 

They’re both claiming to be Neo Shadaloo, so is Ed’s Neo Shadaloo attempting to free the abductees of former Shadaloo only to have the former Shadaloo members take Ed’s faction name and start abducting other people?

7 hours ago, Lord_Vega said:

 

Is anyone following what this Neo Shadaloo thing is all about? Is it a movement that Ed started or is it something that the remaining Shadaloo followers are trying to create? To me it sounds like it’s both. 

Its sounds like JP coined the name up for him, or was he just referring to what Ed calls his faction?  Do the Shadaloo remnants want Ed to be their leader to continue Bison’s work? The Shadaloo goons mention Neo Shadaloo like it’s the next upcoming rise of old Shadaloo but Ed doesn’t see it that way. 

9 hours ago, CESTUS III said:

Tbh it was'nt Rog to end their association, was Ed abandoning him because  did'nt wanted him at his side when Psycho Power will (likely) take over

 

Menat told him "You two have rough times ahead", Ed will later realize these "Two" were him and Falke (the other that was suffering same PP nightmares), he literally tell to Rog he don't want him to get involved/hurt and while leaving will think about seek others like himself

 

So he seek people going through same shit he's going on and free Falke... Knife and Gorilla guess joined later and probably don't go through same sufference, otherwise Menat would have said "you four"

 

 

For a second I thought that Ed’s story mode had leaked only to be disappointed that it was from SF5😂😭

42 minutes ago, CESTUS III said:

Yeah it was you 😁

Thanks for the credit😂 

You can tell that even though some of these ideas would later be incorporated into the character stories some of these points are outdated.
 

We know that Shadaloo is supposedly destroyed or in disarray after SF5 leading into SF3 and all the way into SF6. They say that Bison and Shadaloo are doing well during the time of SF3, and maybe deep behind the scenes they are, but we know from the apparent it’s not the case. 
 

Dudley and Balrog are said not to have met with Dudley only seeing videos of Balrog. We know that not to be the case due to SSF4 which features Dudley’s rival as Balrog. So their relationship has to go beyond just having witnessed video of him. 
 

Also how they explain how the Super Art system works in canon is kinda dated. You gotta remember when SF3 came out the last previous SF title was SFA series. That game featured a system where  characters had access to different Super Moves according to their Super meter (kinda like 6 is now). To have a character not choose to want to use a technique in their arsenal  because of some alternative reality where they don’t know about the technique is just a strange explanation.  I’m glad that they did hint that eventually they might have them all again like we do now in SF6. 

11 hours ago, CESTUS III said:

RYU

-Ryu needing SnH to generate denjin shit is interesting, think somebody here already mentioned it

-Kinda related Shin Shoryuken coming out as result of "unprecedented surge of energy" makes me think how in 6 we see glimpse of his fist and muscles get boosted by SnH at start of Lv3

-For some reason Ryu respect for Dudley is so cool for me, just sells so well the aura of respect/tradition boxing deserve... to bad i fear we will not get him in SF6

I've been mentioning it since SF5 came out! After all, it was a major plot point in Ryu's story in overcoming the SnH. Overcoming SnH wasn't about completely abandoning it like the whole light vs dark debate usually goes. Also, if you realize in CA Shin Shoryu, the utilization of the Denjin energy to electrify his fist implies that the SnH had to have been implemented to get said effect. 

6 hours ago, CESTUS III said:

One thing i noticed by the artworks is it's true Bosch had the scar also before the explosion, but the color changed... original was normal scar tissue, now seem getting charred turned it black/dark gray

Super short hair also make sense as long hair of begin got burned

The point was that he always had a scar on his face. Sure it changes color and if you notice when he’s brainwashed with Psycho Power it shines purple. 
 

The point is people think that Capcom is reusing assets and the person in the end credits scene isn’t Bosch but just another NPC that copies his likeness. 

Many of the Buckler NPCs ironically wear the pink hat, although the model featured in the ending is definitely  just Bosch. They could’ve used any other character model but they decided to just cut his hair. They even have concept art for it. So he’s definitely not just reused assets. 

22 minutes ago, CESTUS III said:

The pink hat is the same he bought in the first mission with our avatar

This makes me think that the Luke birthday artwork could be taken one of two ways. 

It could either be a nod to either the Avatar or Bosch. It’s meant to reference that first mission between the two characters. 
 

27 minutes ago, CESTUS III said:

Guess one possibility is Avatar at least took Bosch body to give him decent funeral, only to discover that he was still alive and transported him somewhere (Nayshall rebels cave-HQ?) then was chosen live undercover at Buckler being safest option for him

We know that Bosch is implied to be dead given what JP says after we see his charred body. 
 

Kinda like how Bison implies Nash is dead after shooting him with aircraft and then throwing him from a waterfall , or how Akuma implies the same with Gouken. They both turned out to be alive after even after having suffered mortal wounds (although Nash had some help from Illuminati.)

There seems to be a running theme in SF that even if a character has canonically suffered severe damaged and is implicated to be dead it doesn’t mean they’re actually dead. 

Totally forgot that the pink hats were part of the tutorial mission that the Avatar picks for both of them. 
 

I’m thinking after World Tour Bosch wears the hat out of reverence for the avatar character. Kinda like how Ryu wears the headband Ken gave him. 

48 minutes ago, Scotia said:

The person with the cap running with the other Buckler recruits has the same hair and scar across the eye that Nakayama recently posted for Bosch (which you posted in the reply I quoted). I'm not sure if Bosch had this scar before being blown up at the end of World Tour because you can kinda see something similar to it under his hair in the other artwork Nakayama posted;

It seems Bosch has always had some sort of face scar that he covers up with his hair. You can kinda see it in the game too, before his brainwashing and sacrifice. 

Not only does the pink hat guy have Bosch's scar on his face, but also his shoes and same-colored pants.

 The pink hat just seems to be a recolor of his traditional red white and blue cap. I would go as far as to say that Bosch is indeed alive after the events of the World Tour.

1 hour ago, CESTUS III said:

uhhh this would be goldmine to me, but wonder why artworks are cut like shit 🤔

 

If you read the comment post they intend to present the full concept art exclusively at some convention before they release them online. 
 So he teases some glimpses to TwitteX to build hype around it  

13 hours ago, Shakunetsu said:

 

 

The stage resembles the SIN stage from SF4 but I’m thinking it’s distinctly different. The S.I.N stage was to make Seth clones so I’m thinking this stage is the Shadaloo equivalent for Bison. All the test subjects in the tubes are candidate bodies for Bison that are being imbued with Psycho Power. 
 

Bison was resurrected in one of those test tubes in the beginning of SF4. 

29 minutes ago, ShockDingo said:

No spoilers, but the fact that they had certain characters having story related affects on their movements was awesome. I remember back in the 90s when my sister and I played Soul Blade and in Edge Master mode there were certain matches with special conditions (player is poisoned, opponent can only be hurt in air, etc), I'd love to see more of that in story modes!

I thought that was pretty interesting too and honestly I felt like they should implement more. I remember a rumor from SF6 story that mentioned that Ken had a limited moveset in his story mode due to his  experience in the story and that’s something I would have liked to see. Although due to the story structure of SF6 it wouldn’t have made much of a difference as you don’t play specifically as Ken.  I just thought that it was interesting to show how the story would affect the gameplay of a character and Tekken 8 did implement that respectfully. 

18 hours ago, DarthEnderX said:

*sigh*

Is that a sigh of relief or a sigh of disappointment? 

Also, I remember people having multiple gripes about MK 1 story on this thread when  it came out but nobody has brought up Tekken 8 story?  Is that more or less a good thing?

JP's Outfit 3 definitively references the "Cerulean clothes" that were introduced in chapter 1 of the SF6 comic

The robes are obviously a deep-hued blue (Cerulean) but that's not all. The two designs that are embroidered into the clothes are a mandala and an organic-looking heart design. The heart design is meant to reference the hero who sacrificed his own heart in the Nayshall legend.

There's now an official canon reason as to why Luke's forearm tattoos are removed. 

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This outfit appeared in SFV but I actually came up with this after Luke's design for SF6 was established. The concept of this outfit was "more aggressive," and "young and cocky." The stars on his forearms are tattoos that he got every time he has won an underground martial arts tournament or an official tournament, and he eventually got them removed because he was embarrassed when he found out that his father had embroidered stars on his jacket for every comrade he couldn't save. My favorite part of this design are the braces on his teeth, which I hoped would express his immaturity and his ferociousness that look like as if he might come bite at you.

The stars thing is interesting because they signified Luke's victories in tournaments he had won. There are officially 23 in total; 11 on his left and 12 on his right. 

I also wonder if the jacket they're referring to is his story costume.