Mr.Cipher

Why, should be easy to provide the actual numbers, you know the thing Heca avoids doing.

Because saying Sales Numers and estimates without providing as much as even a single digit number or even a single link to back anything you say up, surely thats legit data.

I either get estimated % of 0 or get told to take Steam Numbers and take them x10 to get console numbers.

But yeah, I got shown hard facts, of course.

6 hours ago, Darc_Requiem said:

What W? If you continually ask a question. Get multiple responses with hard data, don't refute that data, and ignore it. It's a massive L.

So then point me out the hard numbers.

Estimates and guesses are not hard numbers.

Saying around % are on X, when you cannot back this up with something solid is like saying Zangief is broken because I say so.

You are aware that SFV was supposed to have all of that and they canceld that ultimately because of the botched release and completly unfinished state.

In Addition, these things are NOT uncommon in modern AAA, even in fullprice titels.

Look at what released the past years and see how many Mainstream Games have EXP Grind, Battle Passes, Daily Quests.

1 minute ago, Hecatom said:

 

 

I already gave you the numbers each time we had this convo, not gonna keep wasting my time on your retarded ass just so you can ignore it as usual and claim I provided nothing, just because you can't accept reality.

 

 In that case I take my W

4 minutes ago, Hecatom said:

You can put your hands on your ears and close your eyes all you want, but the reality is that consoles do in fact outnumber the sales numbers for most games with a 75% to 90%

ratio.

And of course you have solid prove you can show NOW to back up your claims.

If you cannot, what you wont like always, just scrurry back into your little corner and keep shouting your parole.

3 minutes ago, Volt said:

Ultimately, that is a stupid ass discussion because we don't know how many of the people who bought games actually play them. (Also, I'm pretty sure it doesn't account for things like Game Pass.)

 

Besides, console war-esque discussions hardly ever lead to anything productive.

My problem is simple.

Everytime this comes up, there is no solid prove.

It's either estimates or guesses. No hard numbers, I like math, because math doesn't lie at the end of the day, but the moment guessing or uncertanty of any kind is evolved every "prove" is questionable and subjective at best.

It's the same when a new FG comes out, if you check the steam forums, what you shouldn't it's bad for mental health, the first 20 threads are usually "this game will die, buy it on console." If you ask for any source or prove that their claimes are correct, it usually is like this:

Do you actual numbers from the publisher say X amounts sold on Y?

If not you can take your guesses and estamations and shove them there, where the sun doesn't shine.

Besides you haven't provided anything, you just ran your mouth how console has 10x more player on everything.

You just never backed that up, as you were asked for a source.

Like always.

3 minutes ago, Hecatom said:

 estimates for pc numbers,

I don't care for your fucking estimations.

if it's total Sales Numbers it tells you jack shit about how many was sold on what plattform, you need listed charts on how many copies were sold on what plattform.

have you provided that?

No, you have provided guesses and total sales. What again is worthless.

I am to this day waiting for the List where it is written down how much was exactly sold where.

Have you provided that once? No

So piss off with your shit and come back when you have something thats more than guesses and estaminations.

29 minutes ago, Hecatom said:

Just look at cipher for example, that I gave him actual data on how the majority of the player base of tekken 7 (and other fgs) is on consoles, since the pc numbers are at best 25% of the total sales, but he still tries to deny reality. 🤣

 

I gave him the numbers, multiple times, and every time that the subject comes, he ask for the numbers again because he just likes to ignore everything that contradicts his position.

This is a lie and you know it.

I asked multiple times for Numbers and solid prove.

All you did was to tell me, to look at Steam Charts and take the current number x10 to get the console Number.

You have proven jack shit to me, up to this day.

Ah that again.

You know I would really like to see those numbers.

Everyone is always claiming the console numbers are higher in every regard, yet there is no numerical prove for that.

There is NO legitamte source that will confirm that.

Outside of that, I do not think that the Devs would ever stop making Console Games, unless the current Gen never recovers and the next one Bombs even worse.

The current major problem with consoles is, the Current Gen is still in short supply and the PS4 is really falling behind in terms of power.

Currently a medium power PC that can run most things consistent, while not on max settings, will do the Job a PS5 can do while being easier to get and probably cheaper to.
Especially now that GPU Prices go down.

17 minutes ago, delete_me said:

Be ready for every game having the budget of Fantasy Strike then.

What makes you think that?

Did you just call our eggplant waifu captain america?

I will now do the american thing and be insulted on her behalf.

Plugging on PC, I assume you mean Controllers all kinds of, should have little problems by now.
If you configurate Steam correctly, all Controllers should be detected and useable with no problem.

They constantly improve the controller support as well, the DS5 support was added within a week of them becoming aviable.

And considering that all FGs need Steam, this should be easy.
Plus you can always test this at home beforehand.

You are wrong Pertho.
FGC wants to be eSports, so they have to lift like eSports, either get full PC Setups for everything or quit at the Door Step.

This ain't little boy, pls bring consoles for our tournament! Now they have to lift that shit themselfs if they want to be big boys.

Of course this ain't gonna happen and eSports will stay the cancer of the FGC, but hey, you can now meme on them.

It's sunday.
I stand up.

Watch the moon a bit.

I check Discord.

Mash and Neco-Arc for Type Lumina announced.

Lose all hope for humanity.

Go back to bed.

I might never have noticed it but, is it just me or has the general tier whoring increased dramatical the past few years?

I think that was Snake Eyez

The SNK Bingo is somewhat accurate, I would like Momoko to be in  more than just KoF XI.
Also they really need to fix the MM on XV, i do not know how they managed it to make the game Match you based on your system language.

8 minutes ago, Volt said:

Sometimes, sacrifices must be made for the truth.

5 minutes ago, TWINBLADES said:

SF games have longevity. SF4 last from 2008 to 2015. That's a long fucking time.

What has that to do with a game being shit or not?

I heard nothing but how SFIV was the best game ever and no other FG could ever compete, than SFV came out and SFIV was almost universally called garbage.

This has nothing to do with longevity.

I thought the point was that people don't want to return to games that are dogshit.

So why play any of the SF3 games?

2 hours ago, Volt said:

SF4 was dogshit, that's why people don't wanna come back. Don't get it twisted.

Then how do you explain people still playing 3S to this day?

Ain't much better of a game, would argure that it's even worse than IV.

Or what came after it, what might also be somehow worse.

Then again for the later, I guess money can move a lot.

Multiverse will probably stay healthy and keep people longer hooked than other FGs.

It is simple to see why and thats the way the online is handeld, as well as part of the game structure.

Unless something was changed, the online is standard 2v2, meaning there is always someone else to blame for when you lose.
There are also perks, so you can blame loses on having the wrong or "underpowerd" perks.

That alone will keep people playing longer, add to that that the game is F2P, which means you lose nothing for trying it.

4 hours ago, delete_me said:

My internet had some really good timing dying on me the day the Multiversus beta starts.

 

As for its success, those numbers certainly look good. But as an old-school person I see more danger in f2p than benefits, because it completely eradicates the retro scene. Those side tournaments with 3rd Strike, Melee, Garou and obscure stuff? In a f2p future you're only ever going to play the games the publisher keeps live.

Yes of course, it isn't like we already have this trend since 2016.

No not at all, look how alive and well SFIV is!

It is still funny to me how we went from

"You need an Arcade Stick to play dude, it's the only way you ever be good dude!"

To
"Oh my god, these Hitbox and Controller player are suppresing us poor Arcade Stick player! Look we are at a huge disadvantage! We are being opressed!"