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41 minutes ago, bakfromon said:

SF6 is definitely the most brutal of the all the SF games so far. Between Jamie ripping tracheas out and Cammy performing Mortal Khiropractic on opponents it definitely brings a more mature feel that the series has been lacking recently. Plus it manages to keep all the lighthearted fun with newcomers like Lily and Kimberly. 

Well said, I am one who likes balance. I don't ever want SF to get so grim-dark serious as the manhua's that it becomes a parody, but after a bit of the wacky days of Sf4 & SF5 stuff, this does feel great. Serious & intense when it wants to be, but remembering there's a soul of fun and hilarity that's compatible too. This is very good!

Sweet mercy, I desperately wanna see what Q would look and work like in SF6. I wanna see how they'd revamp his supers at the very least!

Lilly looks delightful & I can see people just loving her. Curious to see if she's directly T. Hawk's daughter or if she's just another member of the tribe. Wind effects are looking cool and I like that picture taking aspect. Curious about where that'll go.

Cammy's look initially had me wondering if she's on the run, but the site description + casual outfit makes me wonder if she's furious at being stuck on deskwork at HQ. Does she always have everything listed as hates? Curious if there's something more going on. Her animations look amazing! I love her winpose, the way she vanishes and the camera's searching for her is cool stuff. Her stage is so cool, dark and moody. With the trench coat dude there, it made me want Q prowling in the background.

Gief is looking great! Loving the new moves and his intro in the trailer was badass! I love that he's got more students in addition to Mika. Keeping the respect on this man and having the muscle power legacy continue? I love it!

Guys, this game is gonna be fantastic. I'm so excited!

22 hours ago, Chun-Li_Forever said:

What's more likely? The mask character is affiliated with Neo-Shadaloo, or Illuminati?

I'm wondering, what if it's a new faction all together? This is a concept I'm playing with in my forever-in-development project, but after Shadaloo crumbles, a power vacuum slowly creeps into the world and so you've got people trying to be the new Shadaloo or everyone's noticing that Shadaloo doesn't have a stranglehold on the entire world (and criminal underworld) so people are carving out small bits for themselves. What if these masked folks are part of a new Chinese gang or crime syndicate; not a world-threat, but popping up more and more to the point that it threatens Chun Li and Li-Fen's neighborhood?

Also, I commissioned one of my favourite twitter artists to bring my idea of a Marisa vs Q match to life:

Viper continues to hate her current assignment lol

5 hours ago, Chun-Li_Forever said:

Felt compelled to share Story Peeps. I know it's not Street Fighter. But our very own @ShockDingois  in a fighting game!

 

 

 

Thanks for the share dude, much appreciated!

4 hours ago, Chun-Li_Forever said:

 

Funny how you should ask me that, cause I'm in the middle of writing some kind of SF6 fanfic that deals with Chun-Li and her dealing with a grown up Li-Fen who wants to hang out with her own friends and have her own fun.

Heh, perfect timing then, eh? I'm slowly starting up my SF projects again and in the far future, this would need to be addressed, thank you for the beautiful, heartfelt answer! I knew I could count on you, dude! Best of luck with your fanfic!  I'll be sure to consult you in the future, cheers!

@Chun-Li_Foreverneed your insight; would Li-Fen call Chun-Li mom or something else? I don't recall how she refers to her in Chun-Li's SFV storymode post-ASF.  Thanks in advance!

For real this time? It feels like the release date for Duel has been moved a bunch of times before.

Naaaah, for it to be even usable they had to "train" it using all sorts of assets without artist's consent. It started with 100+ folks who never agreed to it and blossomed from there. A tool is photoshop, Blender, After Effects, etc. This is not anything close to that. Without being fed it couldn't make anything.

There's literally been incidents where artist's mangled signatures appeared in the "new art". They're trying this in the voice acting world too and it's becoming a problem there too.

On the subject of Q, I do hope that he and G aren't totally absent in SF6. With Nakayama and Matsumoto putting a lot of focus on G and still being the same team working on SF6, I hope they address some of the story beats, cause there's a lot of interesting stuff they can do. One thing that gives me hope is that Nakayama's gone on record saying the team is aware of how people are trying to tie G, Q, the G file and other things together and it pleases them, so here's hoping. At the very least, I hope he gets some appearances in world tour mode as a teaser before and potential DLC.

I'd love to see what SF6 can do with G or Q from aesthetics to how they'd tweak their designs for new costumes.

As a parting thought, tne thing I think some of us can agree on is the theory that Q is Dorai doesn't work. I...just never liked that theory lol

14 hours ago, CESTUS III said:

Problem is it's still undeniable the SF3 sprite have visible blond hair (also in the SF3 cover pic used by Ryce he have visible hair), while David is a bald guy

 

Even in the joke pic Kinu Nishimura made with unmasked Q he's portrayed as a tall white man with blond/light hair, of course it's not supposed to be Q, but still is supposed to match what you can see of Q when masked

Problem to this point is that to show visible hair is not one of "G followers", but without doubt the Q whe see playable in SF3

 

Two more things that make me doubt

 

Height: we don't know Q's official height, but he seems very tall person, while David is listed as 183cm (6'0"), wich while above average does'nt seem tall enough imho

This also does'nt help much Robert theory either, as Robert was 182cm(5'9")

 

Age wise also we have bit a problem... you just told Ryce that Robert does'nt seem to be old enough to fit what we know of Q... wich i can agree with, but reality is from what we seen David is even younger than Robert

Robert looks in his 40s in a flashback set around 10 years before SFV, David looks in his 30s in SF3

Even if we want cosider anime style art is'nt exactly ideal to guess age, and we want add some tolerance to make it work, guess at best we can say Robert and David are "close" age wise

 

In all this imho we are simply ignoring the elephant in the room

 

We have a man who's blond, very tall and of unknown age.

He even have a single-letter name and fight in a way clearly designed to link him with Q 😄

 

May add that he feels familiar to Gill, and going by Kolin quotes Secret Society feels a strong candidate for who put a mask on Q

See example what she says to Gief "We could use a powerful vessel like yours in the new world." or what they did to Nash

 

But again, we don't know

Even G is'nt solid theory till confirmed, seems just to have much more going on

 

Btw to give some  benefit of the doubt to@Rycetheory one interesting thing about Robert is that IF is body was taken after the explosion would not be that different from what Secret Society did to Nash body after he was killed in SFA

 

Guess lot of this theory hopes depend on how much they're willing to dig on Luke past, if the terrorist attack/dad thing are supposed to be simply something to motivate him or if there's more

Considering JP thing seems became more a Ken thing, wonder what they planned to make feel Luke the protagonist in SF6 story

Would add is possible SF6 (or SF7)  people may have something different in mind than whatever it was planned by SF3 team

 

 

PS: just throwing here a theory that may allow to ignore Q being around for decades already... what if "Q" is not ever the same person, but simply when a one Q get destroyed/die they put the mask on next designed person, who become the new Q

If they pick people with similar height/build (maybe because they consider that the ideal standard for a candidate) for who see him wihout know anything can seem the same person through decades

Consider also that in SF3 very modern times CIA have only few bad pics of him, guess anything they got on Q of decades ago does'nt go much beyond "man with metal mask, hat and trenchcoat"

Yup, I pointed out that one of the things that messes with my theory is the blond hair.

You got my point wrong about the dates, I'm not talking about ages of Q, or Robert, or David, but more about the timing of when Luke lost his dad vs when Q's been seen. I have no idea when the incident happened, but for the heck of it, let's say Luke was 10 when Robert died. Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't Nakayama recently say Luke in SF6 is in his early 20s/ younger than we all thought? If Luke is like 22 in SF 6 and SF 6 is like like 2005, then wouldn't the accident take place around 1993, but SF2 vanilla is '92? My math could be wrong and a lot of this is shakey due to not knowing how far SF3 to SF6 is and how old Luke is, but my point is that I think Q was spotted before the attack.

You've got a point about David's age, unless if part of his modification (if he's related to Q) could slow his aging, but this is a HUUUGE bit of speculation on my part with no real grounds to stand on.

I' ve mentioned it before, but Gill doesn't know who Q is or even if he feels familiar. He says "Even I, in all my omnipotence, can’t understand… Who are you?” in the Japanese win quotes. G appeared after a Shadow Falls and is gaining popularity over time, Gill unveils himself via his livestream due to his influence and eventually SF3 happens. Q's been confirmed to be the man in Ken's stage in SF2 & Viper's profile states she's looking into him as of SFV. A viewer on one of my videos even said it's possible she was chasing Q, but ran into Urien in the old SIN lab due to the mention of murders, but I dunno.  Another issue is that even though the investigation officially kicks off in Q's ending (not sure exactly when it's supposed to take place), Q's been seen randomly for so long that he became an urban legend and public inquiry to the CIA forced Richard Burgman to put out a public statement that they can't confirm or deny "the Trench Coat Man" existing.  This was from the old SF3 site.  G being Q after getting beat by Gill wouldn't fit with the timeline or the quote.

14 hours ago, Ryce said:

I always just took Oro's quote as a tongue-in-cheek reference to Robot Detective since the show aired exactly 25 years before 3rd Strike.

 

David is only 6' tall and weighs 161 pounds, whereas Q is at least 6'6" (he's taller than Urien) and much heavier than that. And like you said, David is bald and Q has short blonde hair.

 

Luke is wearing his father's military dog tags around his neck. You can also see Robert wearing them in his concept art.

 

Good point about the heights, I forgot they gave David official measurements in SF5. Ah, got me with the dogtags, I forgot about that for Robert, hah. Still not sure that Luke got training as a kid like Gohan though or had a chance to see his dad fight, though, it's possible that after his death and him joining the armed forces, he looked more into his dad's past and found footage of him fighting? Thing is, I don't know if he was part of the special military martial arts guys like Charlie, Guile, and Luke himself. Not a lot of info has been given on his dad for me to fully discount anything.

I hope we learn more about Luke in SF6.

8 hours ago, Ryce said:

This is my first post here, and I just want to say...

 

Luke's father Robert is Q.

 

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Q is Robert Sullivan

 

I'm surprised that I haven't seen anyone else propose this theory.

 

 

Hey there, welcome to the forums, interesting theory! I don't know if it fully works though.

I'm not sure of how old Luke is, but recently Capcom basically confirmed that Q's been around since SF2; Wayne Nakamura's profile quietly confirms the "Q was in Ken's SF2 stage" theory. As a  result, I'm not sure if the timeline of Q being present that far back lines up with the terrorist attack that killed Luke's dad. Things get more complicated if we take Oro's Japanese win quote vs Q literally. On one hand it's a reference to the Robo Detective K show from the 70s, on the other, if to be taken seriously, it means that Q's been seen as is 25 years before 3s (1998/1999)

In my research, one of the weirder things I've encountered about Q is that there's some inconsistency on his skin colour. Some pictures, like in the one you posted, he looks Caucasian with blond hair, some ambiguously tanned or darker skinned. I actually grabbed the hex values from his sprites and rather than shadows, his skin seems to be darker brown;

I discuss this in an old video, but his ending seems to point to there being some implied connection to CIA agent, David Spender:

Out of all the 3 agents, David matches Q the most; tall, male, having a white shirt and red tie. David's been described as being laid back & easy going, and he looks it in most of his art, but he gets strangely intense, asking Gillian if they know what his face looks like and, at the start of the conversation, he correctly guesses what her presentation is about to the point she cracks a joke about him being telepathic.  Another thing to note is that of all the agents, David is just in the shirt and slacks, no jacket. We never see what order they leave the room, but "someone" gets dressed and it looks like Q passes in front of the projector, but in a more casual way than we typically see him.  The main thing that throws a wrench into the Q-David connection is the blond hair in your picture and a few sprites in game. That, plus G's concept art has led me to believe that G has multiple followers or Q's. Q himself though seems to be a special case. Everyone, except for him has a hockey styled mask that they can freely remove, but Q is literally locked into his mask and the dev notes note that there should be a keyhole on one side and described him as seemingly being controlled from behind the scenes.

One of my theories is that David may know more than he lets on, or is Clark Kenting and is a Q and Gillian's presentation has him so scared because it means the other Q's are coming after him, or he's learning he's not the only one out there and something's very very wrong. He may have rebelled against G and as a result was punished, locked into the mask, but he escaped. Just my theories, hard to say what they intended with Q back in the 90s vs now and whether anything will be retconned or not.

Going back to the connections between Q and Luke part of your post, I don't know if there's something there or a connection, but Luke described his dad as very ordinary except for that one moment. No mention of military service from what I can remember. I think Luke got all his fight training from US armed forces and MMA, with his focus on his dad being ordinary, it doesn't seem like he got any training.

Q's high speed slap move looks a bit more sloppy and varied to me. Luke's very much punching energy projectiles horizontally, but Q is swiping wildly and several of his swipes go from low, to medium, to high.

Happy New Year, folks! I hope you're all well!

The holidays allowed me to finish little something I had brewing, enjoy!

Hey guys, I'm on break so I'm working on videos again, can anyone tell me where is this image from?

1 hour ago, Chun-Li_Forever said:

 

I believe it's the same 8 characters as the first beta test. So no new quotes for the weekend.

Awww...

Awesome, thanks!

Did anyone here get in the beta? Curious if any of the newer characters will be available for win quote harvesting.

4 hours ago, Lord_Vega said:

Our fear is that JP is gonna be another prime field that went on his own after one of Shadaloo's falls.

My hope is that with the way he's set up business(es?) an identity of influence, distinct lack of resemblance to Seth & Abel, and the familiarity with Bison, I hope he's not a Prime Field. I do hope that he's the fellow student, it could be a cool touch to add to Bison (and hopefully Rose's) mythos. It'd be interesting if he was not as strong a student as Bison in terms of  raw bural power, but still learned psycho power without falling entirely into its corruption, thus allowing him to have the demonstrated greater variety in usage.  I think it could be cool if Oro was aware of JP and saw his unique approach to it and thus found Bison's usage of PS to be disappointing. Bison is great, powerful, and post-human via psycho power; he uses it to fly, teleport, cheat death etc, but it's interesting seeing how JP uses it. He wields it like his staff, a weapon, rather than him essentially being Psycho power incarnate (Bison). It's like JP holds it, but has enough distance from it that he's not burning down with the house, if that makes sense?

I feel you can make JP interesting and dangerous without selling him in a way that punks or diminishes Bison (the DBZ/shonen method of the next guy is always more powerful than the last rather than thinking and fighting different/ smarter), but also show the diverting path between the two men. If JP was varied and subtle and built his empire while looking at what worked and didn't work for Bison, it could make for some interesting scenarios.

5 hours ago, YagamiFire said:

Much love and appreciation @Chun-Li_Forever! Those are perfect

 

Sending over the 1 hour "FULL STORY" and the "Who Dat" series because she's got all the time in the world since she'll be watching them with her dad to get hyped for SF6. For her birthday a few months back I got her a copy of the SF Character Guide and she's been hungry for more info. She loves Chun-Li and Kimberly and now also really likes Dee Jay and Marisa.

 

Thanks again!

Shameless plug on my part buuuuuuuuut.....if she wants some additional SF3 info down the line:

Wat.

The power of big muscle women drives some to Lovecraft lian madness, I guess lol

26 minutes ago, Darc_Requiem said:

It's crazy to me man. I mean have they seen Manon's design? Hell Manon and Kimberly both have the Ibuki "bare hips" element in their designs.

Right? I mean it's ridiculous, when they make something for everybody, no one's losing! Capcom's not walking back anything with their designs, no censorship and they're introducing new waifus and given us new takes on returning ones, (hell everyone's got jiggle physics this time around. Adding a muscle lady isn't hurting anyone's fun, they need to chill. Marisa's awesome, I love her and I'm happy Capcom didn't just decide to waifu'ise her. Variety's good.

Ooh! Looking forward to this book!

Could be a possibility, after all, all the info we were going on was from the leak and things change allllll the time during production. Number of reasons why they could have changed course.

1 hour ago, BornWinner said:

Marisa theory thread.

 

While I would prefer her to be a sweetheart, I wouldn’t be completely opposed to this.

Oh snap, that's a really interesting thread!  Hey, she could still be a sweetheart that was swayed by the wrong folks or manipulated. One thing that I'm thinking is based on the posters in the first trailer, what if they're secretly recruiting people using different means; appearing as a feel good organization? Gill when public when fighting G, so the world may not know the truth behind them. Marisa may have joined up thinking they're altruistic and is slowly being pushed into the role of a pawn!

Definitely going to use some of Marisa's moves to try and create Q in World Tour since I'm sadly not expecting him anytime soon.  ;_;

37 minutes ago, bakfromon said:

So far it seems if JP is the true villain of the story then his motives maybe stripping the prestigious fighters of their earned prestige like Ken and push them into a world of obscurity. 

Interesting points!  I have nothing to back this up, but I just had an idea. What if he's a "collector" of sorts. He takes Ken's reputation and ruins it, steals things (precious items and ideals) in the past to build his wealth, but his latest prize is that he's found a way to steal psycho power and he'll rob hope from the world.

I'm also trying to figure out his dislike of sleep. I wonder if he's so driven because he's on the clock for something greater, or it's painting his as a workoholic who doesn't like to be away from working for too long? I really wanna know more about him, I'm digging him so far. I made a point on this in Twitter, but I find it interesting how he and Rugal are proud cat daddies in a sense hah.

Speaking of cats matbookworm2 points something interesting about Cybele:

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Just now, Daemos said:

So is Marisa or Manon villains? I know their bio doesn't reveal much, just like JP's, but one or both of them has to be a villain. Are they literally going to put the burden of Evil on the shoulders of one newbie?

I don't see either of them being villains, especially Marisa. For her, I see her being confident and full of warrior's honour with a semi-hidden softer side when it comes to the arts. Also her being so tall yet afraid of heights is cute.

Manon I can see as being confident in her beauty and skills and at worst be a bit condescending, but not evil. I get the vibe that she likes what she does, but isn't super social, but not cruel.