misterBee

No.
 
Can't let @Daemoshave his way.

No.
 
Can't let @Daemoshave his way.

No.
 
Can't let @Daemoshave his way.

Not sure what their naming convention is, but they plan on following the alphabet.  Third gen will have some gamer name that starts with C.

I'm not gonna bother with Nvidia for a while.  The size/price/power consumption are all out of control.
 
This might just be one of those GPU generations worth skipping.
 
Wake me up when Battlemage is out / they are giving away Alchemist cards for almost nothing.

I'm not gonna bother with Nvidia for a while.  The size/price/power consumption are all out of control.
 
This might just be one of those GPU generations worth skipping.
 
Wake me up when Battlemage is out / they are giving away Alchemist cards for almost nothing.

It's over man.
 
Come to terms with it now.
 
😔

It's over man.
 
Come to terms with it now.
 
😔

I take all of you seriously all the time.  I have no idea what some of you guys are thinking sometimes.  🙂
 
 
...except @Sonero.  I have no respect for flat-earthers.  🌎
 
Most fighting games and some shooters (notably COD) aim for 60, but plenty of other games don't.
 
A lot of third person action games and big budget titles aren't a locked 60.  Instead of just lowering the graphics a little to hit 60 all the time they instead spend the horsepower on making the graphics as pretty as possible.
 
God of War, Spider-man, Uncharted, Horizon, Last of Us, Killzone, FF7:R, Bloodborne, and Driveclub all ran at 30fps.  These were Playstation exclusives and the developers were some of the best on Sony hardware.  They could have made fantastic 60fps games if they wanted to, but they didn't -- it's clear where the priority is.  I myself prefer 60fps games but I was able to enjoy all of those games on launch at 30fps. For most people 30fps is simply good enough and graphics sell consoles.

It's still a transitional phase right now and a lot of PS4 titles are finally running at 60fps on the new hardware.  Cross-gen titles also run very well.  I suspect this will go away though once everyone is on the newer hardware and devs need to squeeze nicer and nicer graphics out of the platform as it ages. 

We will never get past this.
 
Consoles are for plebs and most plebs are ok with 30fps.  They are also attracted to pretty graphics.  It doesn't help that console devs use resolution as a marketing salespoint. 
 
Console devs will ALWAYS prioritize visuals/resolution over smooth/high framerates -- doesn't matter how good the hardware gets. 
 
By the time 4k 60 is the norm (and it's not even the norm on high-end PCs yet), we will be onto 8k -- and those games will likely still run below 60fps.

Did someone say SF4?
 

I take all of you seriously all the time.  I have no idea what some of you guys are thinking sometimes.  🙂
 
 
...except @Sonero.  I have no respect for flat-earthers.  🌎
 
Most fighting games and some shooters (notably COD) aim for 60, but plenty of other games don't.
 
A lot of third person action games and big budget titles aren't a locked 60.  Instead of just lowering the graphics a little to hit 60 all the time they instead spend the horsepower on making the graphics as pretty as possible.
 
God of War, Spider-man, Uncharted, Horizon, Last of Us, Killzone, FF7:R, Bloodborne, and Driveclub all ran at 30fps.  These were Playstation exclusives and the developers were some of the best on Sony hardware.  They could have made fantastic 60fps games if they wanted to, but they didn't -- it's clear where the priority is.  I myself prefer 60fps games but I was able to enjoy all of those games on launch at 30fps. For most people 30fps is simply good enough and graphics sell consoles.

It's still a transitional phase right now and a lot of PS4 titles are finally running at 60fps on the new hardware.  Cross-gen titles also run very well.  I suspect this will go away though once everyone is on the newer hardware and devs need to squeeze nicer and nicer graphics out of the platform as it ages. 

???
 
The vast majority of console buyers are the type of person who buys like 2 or 3 games a year.  They have no idea about anything other than "4k is good, look at those graphics".  The type of person who buys a 4k television because they heard it's good -- but doesn't even know what 4k is.  I don't think it's wrong to call em plebs.
 
The vast majority of console marketing is designed for people like that.  PS4 Pro was touted as a '4k console' but almost every game on it ran at a much lower resolution and was upscaled -- all so they could claim games ran at 4k.  Xbox One X was similar.
 
Even PS4 games running on PS5 cannot always handle native 4k/60.  To expect the vast majority of console games to prioritize high framerate at the expense of prettier graphics is just not going to happen.  Why try to please the (relatively) small group of people who care about framerate when most people just want to see flashy stuff all over their screen? 

We will never get past this.
 
Consoles are for plebs and most plebs are ok with 30fps.  They are also attracted to pretty graphics.  It doesn't help that console devs use resolution as a marketing salespoint. 
 
Console devs will ALWAYS prioritize visuals/resolution over smooth/high framerates -- doesn't matter how good the hardware gets. 
 
By the time 4k 60 is the norm (and it's not even the norm on high-end PCs yet), we will be onto 8k -- and those games will likely still run below 60fps.

I take all of you seriously all the time.  I have no idea what some of you guys are thinking sometimes.  🙂
 
 
...except @Sonero.  I have no respect for flat-earthers.  🌎
 
Most fighting games and some shooters (notably COD) aim for 60, but plenty of other games don't.
 
A lot of third person action games and big budget titles aren't a locked 60.  Instead of just lowering the graphics a little to hit 60 all the time they instead spend the horsepower on making the graphics as pretty as possible.
 
God of War, Spider-man, Uncharted, Horizon, Last of Us, Killzone, FF7:R, Bloodborne, and Driveclub all ran at 30fps.  These were Playstation exclusives and the developers were some of the best on Sony hardware.  They could have made fantastic 60fps games if they wanted to, but they didn't -- it's clear where the priority is.  I myself prefer 60fps games but I was able to enjoy all of those games on launch at 30fps. For most people 30fps is simply good enough and graphics sell consoles.

It's still a transitional phase right now and a lot of PS4 titles are finally running at 60fps on the new hardware.  Cross-gen titles also run very well.  I suspect this will go away though once everyone is on the newer hardware and devs need to squeeze nicer and nicer graphics out of the platform as it ages. 

We will never get past this.
 
Consoles are for plebs and most plebs are ok with 30fps.  They are also attracted to pretty graphics.  It doesn't help that console devs use resolution as a marketing salespoint. 
 
Console devs will ALWAYS prioritize visuals/resolution over smooth/high framerates -- doesn't matter how good the hardware gets. 
 
By the time 4k 60 is the norm (and it's not even the norm on high-end PCs yet), we will be onto 8k -- and those games will likely still run below 60fps.

???
 
The vast majority of console buyers are the type of person who buys like 2 or 3 games a year.  They have no idea about anything other than "4k is good, look at those graphics".  The type of person who buys a 4k television because they heard it's good -- but doesn't even know what 4k is.  I don't think it's wrong to call em plebs.
 
The vast majority of console marketing is designed for people like that.  PS4 Pro was touted as a '4k console' but almost every game on it ran at a much lower resolution and was upscaled -- all so they could claim games ran at 4k.  Xbox One X was similar.
 
Even PS4 games running on PS5 cannot always handle native 4k/60.  To expect the vast majority of console games to prioritize high framerate at the expense of prettier graphics is just not going to happen.  Why try to please the (relatively) small group of people who care about framerate when most people just want to see flashy stuff all over their screen? 

It doesn't matter what Intel was thinking.  This was always gonna be the result for a first gen product.
 
Drivers are very very difficult to get right.  It was always going to be a shitshow at first, and it's clear they're not even going to bother with older titles as much.  Best to just focus on newer APIs and move forward rather than try to optimize decades worth of old games.
 
AMD, a company which supposedly knows how to make graphics cards, has had broken drivers for the past half year.  VIDEO HARDWARE ACCELERATION isn't currently working. That means in 2022 you can't even decode a Youtube video properly on an AMD card.  Shit is wild.

No worries -  you'll make that money back over time with the insane Steam sale prices / being able to use that hardware for years and years. 🙂

Always build your own if possible.
 
If you buy from Alienware/HP/etc you'll get cheap proprietary parts that don't always work well, and prevent you from upgrading stuff in the future.
 
If you buy from a company that only uses off-the-shelf standard parts, you're usually paying a premium for labor/shipping that could be better spent on nicer parts.
 
Unless you are really clumsy and don't like to follow instructions building a computer isn't that hard.  Watch a video of the process and see if it's too much for you.  It's basically just like assembling a Lego set with a phillips screwdriver.
 
 
Building yourself also gives you access to the secondhand market (FB marketplace, etc.).  Unlike with consoles, you don't need to use the latest gen stuff all the time.  There are great deals to be had on stuff that is only a few gens old. There are people gaming happily with 7 year old CPUs.

No worries -  you'll make that money back over time with the insane Steam sale prices / being able to use that hardware for years and years. 🙂

No worries -  you'll make that money back over time with the insane Steam sale prices / being able to use that hardware for years and years. 🙂