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Looking at this still right here, I actually think Whalburg looks WAY closer to Uncharted 4 Drake than he ever has, does, or will ever look like Sully. 😳

It’s not even an age thing with Whalburg. It’s just nothing about his look or demeanor whatsoever says “Sully” to me. I can’t picture this guy cracking jokes on the side of an Appalachian cliff with a cigar in his mouth. 

But thats the point. Exploiting flight is super easy and trivializes the entire expeirence. How can we call these games master works when 1 powerup invalidates the vast majority of the experience while dumping an on another that actually asks you to learn how to play the game and use all its mechanics to succeed. 
 
Your playing SOTN and the Crissigrim drops. You really gonna choose NOT to use it? I mean i wont but only because ive beaten SOTN like 90 times its to the point I HAVE to limit myself. Same for Mario 3 and World. I have to choose to not exploit the tools the game willingly hands me in order for it to be a fun or even remotely challanging experience. On the other hand Sonic never hands me broke ass shit (Least the classic ones, im sure some modern Sonic game has some dumb shit power up in it somewhere) so i can always use all the tools the game provides me and not invalidate the entire game in the process. Even Super Sonic still demands you know the level well enough to not fall in a pit, or get crushed under something, or know the level well enough to not run out of rings in a compromising situation. Even the Broke ass hard to earn extra form has hard limits on it so it doesn't break the whole game in half. Like theres always a 10th of a second I could shave off a zone run by optimizing my route better. You can do this with Mario but its not really designed for it, the level design isnt condusive to it really, and again i can just fly over all the obstacles so they dont provide an actual course to speed run, not really.
 
So yea nothing is forcing me to exploit flight, but we are comparing two games in their entirety and 96 gates is a lot less impressive when you can fly over 85 of the levels leading to those gates.
 
The speed run community for SMW literally changed the completion run rules for speed running the game by adding in the need to collect all the Yoshi Coins in each stage because actual SMW speed Runs where all the same, boring as fucking hell and 100% everyone flying over everything. Speedrunning exposed SMW fucking hard.
 
I also dont really agree there is all that much more to chew on in those games. Mario recycles a ton of ideas. You could cut a ton of the auto crolling levels in Mario 3 and it would be a better game imo. Tighter, less repetitive, and the pace would improved greatly. World has some stages you could probably Axe to and they wouldnt be missed all that much imo. Those games are bit bloated.
 
Im not sure what else to say. I dont really know how to respond to "Sonic fans just ignore the games flaws so they can prop the series up" as well as "Well yea but if you just ignore the glaring flaw that is the racoon tail and the cape, then the games are amazing!!!" like come on my dude. I really dont know what else to say to that heh.

This is probably just me, but I think they should have gone older with Sully. 
 
I keep thinking of Tom Hanks for some reason.

Legit, Im all for discussing the flaws in Soic games because there are plenty, but how come most of the time when people complain about the 2D Genesis ones their complaints are always so weird or just way out there.
 
Comacho kinda lost me at "Sonic has slow start up" Yea...cuz the goal is to maintain your momentum. If you find yourself coming to a stop and needing to run back up to full speed you probably fucked up somewhere in your route. That was the whole point. You got punished for not having an opimal route by needing to take time to get back up to speed. Now Sonic 2 introduced the Spin Dash to do deal with this "Problem" but even the Spin Dash doesnt zoom you to max speed off the line, nore did the figure 8 run or the recently developed Drop Dash. The reason for this is max speed and keeping it is supposed to be earned. Like the biggest flaw with the entire Rush series is that you can go from 0 to Ludacris speed at the tap of a button. Going fast is no longer a skill. You dont need to earn it, you just press a button and your fuck up is erased as your back to full speed by just pushing a button. Sonic is rewarding BECAUSE you ave to earn the right to go fast. You don't (Or didnt anyway) Get to go fast just because you turned the game on. Going fast was your reward for becoming a skilled player.
 
If thats not for you thats fine, RTS games arent for me, but i wouldnt sit there and say StarCraft was never good because I dont like that kind of game. It just isnt for me.

Sure, I guess there’s that section of people. I think Stu just dislikes the series in general though. Which is whatever, I just find it surprising because even people that don’t like Sonic games are usually hard pressed to admit that a lot of the earlier games are classics.
 
I guess I’ve never seen those posts. 
 
I am deeply saddened by this news. Sega has either created or at least enabled SO many dope games IMO. 
 
Gonna pour one out on a Dreamcast for the homie Stu. Cause Sega haters gotta go unfortunately. Gonna pay @HD-Manto do some stabbin’
 

How so? I’ve never really heard this complaint. Personally I think there are aspects about the very first game that make it a chore, like the less intuitive level design and the lack of spin dash, but other than that I find those first three games pretty approachable still and why they remain classics to so many people.
 
Tight controls, bright and colorful spritework that still looks appealing (so much so that literally thousands of indie games have popped up over the last ten years mimicking styles like this), great music as always, and the sequels being an improvement upon its predecessor in pretty much every way.

You don't like sonic?  That's fine.  Not every game is for everyone.  But I get really annoyed anytime someone gets close to saying dumb stuff like the games were never good and and they say it in a serious non meme manner.  Saying stuff like that starts making me not take your opinion seriously.

Trash brawling series. Many way better titles deserving of a return. Golden Axe is really over rated. Series isnt worth the time of day after 2. .
 
Hahaha nother one I do not get the love for. Garbage level design, AWFUL graphics, terrible sound, everything sounds like some variation on a fart, like biggest misuse of the Genesis Sound Chipo ever. Vectorman games are fucking hideous, and they just really arent that fun to play in the long run, and i just never understand the love for them at all. I own both of them and they never get any play.
 
This would be cool, but no one gives a fuuuuuck about single player Phantasy Star who isnt 30 years or older like you and I, like lets be real here. Very few people are interested in what honestly amounts to an RPG series light on story and heavy on dungeon wandering with no map.
 
That would be pretty cool, but again unless your like 30 or older that title means fuck all to you.
 
This is where I decided i had to resapond. You gonna shit on Sonic but stan for dog shit ass Billy Hatcher and his stupid ass egg? Fuck me man lmao.
 
This could be said for almost every game company in some for or fashion, shit even Nintendo is hella guilty of this kind of behaivor lol.
 
This right here. Fucking facts. Sonic 1-3&K are solid to fucking excellent. After that its hit or miss as fuck.
 
So the two games I can literally fly over 95% of the stages in are mechanically deeper then the series that actually demands you learn its level lay outs in order to do them quickly as intended? Mario 3 and World are super fucking fun, but man they are flawed as fuck. All that so called depth and you can just fly over almost every single issue the games ever present to you.
 
He says as he props up Mario games that have their flaws ignored regularly so they can propped up as the best shit ever.
 
Is it tho when the guy who created the series just doesnt really make games anymore, and fighters dont bring in 90s money anymore. Is it really that strange? Do you really want to keep competing with Tekken and losing in every single world wide arena but your own where you barely manage to keep up?
 
Alex Kidd has a new game coming out.

Co-sign
 
Basically the way the games are designed, it punishes me for going TOO fast but also does the same when I get hit and lose momentum. Mario 64 has this problem too.

Being honest, does  modern Sega have any draws in the video game world besides Yakuza and Judgment series?
I suppose Streets of Rage 4 is now considered an "indie " game considering I dont see any Sega logos on any promotional material.
 
It's weird that that there hasnt been a new Virtua fighter game in  9 or so years. I was never into the series myself, but it feels weird that they didnt make a new game after SF4 lit a fire under developer's butts.

Sonic 2 and 3&K (this is one game, lets not kid ourselves here) ABSOLUTLY hold up. Some of the finest platformers of their time to the point they continue to influence developers to this day (The Entire Sonic Hacking community, Sonic Mania, Freedom Planet to name a hand full). Sonic 1 doesnt hold up as well but thats because its the blue print that Sonic 2 and 3&K built upon in order to be as great as they are. Sonic starts to fall apart when transitioning to the 3D realm but a lot of that is due to his style of game design not really being suited to 3D (3D Platforming and lightning speed aren't a great mix and take a ton of work to get right. Segas only managed it a couple times.
 
 
Ya'll are better then then regurgitating garbage IGN opinions.
 

Take from someone who's in the fandom, Sonic fanbase is fractured as fuck. Just to provide a cliff notes version of it, there's a generational divide. Fans who grew up on or prefer the classic games, fans who grew up on adventure and the games modelled after them and the fans of modern Sonic which started with Sonic Unleashed. Other Sonic games like Advance, Rush and Riders falling in between them. 
 
The Adventure fans are the most pissy as most of the shitty games fall under their era and they are fanbase that Sega ignores the most.

On a whole I don't think Sega a laughing stock. They don't get clown much outside of the shitter things they do with Sonic. 

Interesting. I  always thought that the vast majority hold Sonic 1,2,3,S/K as hallowed and everything after that era as mixed bag or crap except for Mania.
 
 

You literally said “Sonic and Sega as a whole sucks”. Like...ok fine, feel that way, it’s just shocking to hear lmao.
 
Oh sorry. Sonic 1-3 and S&K. I guess in my head I never really thought of CD as a mainline game but it really is...

I dunno, I think Sonic games have rightfully earned a bit of a stigma. I’ve just never agreed when people imply there haven’t been great games out of the franchise. 

Damn there’s people that actually don’t like the first 4 Sonic games? Not even Mania?
 

 
it’s def Monday 

Sure, I guess there’s that section of people. I think Stu just dislikes the series in general though. Which is whatever, I just find it surprising because even people that don’t like Sonic games are usually hard pressed to admit that a lot of the earlier games are classics.
 
I guess I’ve never seen those posts. 
 
I am deeply saddened by this news. Sega has either created or at least enabled SO many dope games IMO. 
 
Gonna pour one out on a Dreamcast for the homie Stu. Cause Sega haters gotta go unfortunately. Gonna pay @HD-Manto do some stabbin’
 

How so? I’ve never really heard this complaint. Personally I think there are aspects about the very first game that make it a chore, like the less intuitive level design and the lack of spin dash, but other than that I find those first three games pretty approachable still and why they remain classics to so many people.
 
Tight controls, bright and colorful spritework that still looks appealing (so much so that literally thousands of indie games have popped up over the last ten years mimicking styles like this), great music as always, and the sequels being an improvement upon its predecessor in pretty much every way.

i think the original sonic games shine more on replays because when you first start your gonna want to go fast but that's gonna get you killed as counterintuitive as that sounds but the more you play them and memorize the level layout and stuff the faster you can go and the more enjoyable the games become.
 
also i really like sonic adventure 2 even tho i know its pretty bad but c'mon people i gotta escape from the city and  follow my rainbow.
 
and finally sonic 06 is sonic adventure 3 people don't want to admit it kinda like type moon fans won't admit there was a tsukihime anime.

Finished the The Doom Eternal's final story DLC campaign last night.
.... to sum up the game as whole now that I've finally finished the Ancient Gods PT 2 DLC
 
 

 
 

First time huh lol

I know I know.
 
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When he yelled this out I had to pause and just literally laugh out loud. I love that they went there lmfao. 

HMMMMMM