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No didn't. Meshes don't prove she's uglier. It proves she's a little heavier. You didn't prove anything  this with this but what was already agreed to. Meshes don't prove she's been made ugly. Your.claim has 0 bite. You in fact still haven't provided proof she's uglier. 
 
No I find your obsession with all females needing to be incredibly pretty vain and shallow. 
 
See you don't actually read anything I fucking say or else you wouldn't haven't have typed that dumbass line. 
No but we clearly are gonna act like this is new and sudden and hasn't been a thing for fucking decades so we can blow up into this big fucking thing day after day after day. You act like this is new and thats the most embarrassing part, you're just like the people who thinking bitching about DD2 Micros makes you an enlightening individual when people have been making characters of all stripes in every type.of entertainment for centuries. CENTURIES. 
 
I really don't give a fuck what the video game media whines and cries about its super pathetic you care as much as you do. I lived through thenntrying to ban videogames and failing you think I give a fuck about IGN France? Why do you? 
 
I won't ever ignore you. I will argue with you every fucking time you make this stupid ass fucking argument. You have to block me if you're tired of having this convo I won't let it run unnapposed just because it annoys you. 

They make dudes uglier in video games too.  Just look what they did to Luke Skywalker in Jedi Survivor.  Turned him into a goddamn ginger.  He looks exactly like that gay dude from Shameless now,  and nothing like young Mark Hamill. For "inclusion" I guess. 

I haven't moved one single goal post, that's been Hecatom. My postion and argument have remained firm since the beginning. Neither of youhave provided a single good reason for why changing these models is an issue nore have either you managed to do a sufficient job defining any of them as ugly.  I've pointed out many body scan models who don't look exactly like the characters they are portraying in game, male and female you brushed them aside. Dante nor Nero or Vergil look like their body models used for their scans but neither of you seem to have an issue with that. Both of you seem to understand that he's representing the character Dante, not he himself in the game so they changed the model to closer fit what they want Dante to look like based off the model scan. Both of yoy get this but the moment tits are involved its suddenly a huge big issue. 
 
And Hecas lying to because Capcom caught flack for Clairs face in Resident Evil 2 Remake back when thay came out so Eastrrn Devs catch this stupid unjustified bullshit to. 
 
This started with the claim they are making the women ugly and the goal post was loved to "Masculine and hard." 
 
You have Heca are the only ones moving goal posts bro, don't accuse me of what you are doing. My position has remained firm the entire convo. Neither of you have justified your outrage at any of this but for some reason we have to hear about it from you two every time a character doesn't look exactly the way you seem to want them to. 
I post direct screen shots from Horizon 2 of Aloys face and get countered with Google Photoshop images and meshes thay don't show her as uglier but a little heavier which i have never once denied, yea she's a little heavier. 
 
Accuse me of goal post moving when I've stayed on my position the entire time. I think  youre better then thay Darc. 

Why did Nintendo design Mario to be a Mexican in overalls? 

The fact that you think MK 1 and SM 2 sold less due to their in-game models is actually hilarious.
 
As well as the gender neutral language thing. Is that where you actually draw the line? LMFAO

I want my pixels and polygons to be fuckable. If I don’t want to fuck em I don’t want to play em. 😤

Uggo Sonic even found his way to the Chip & Dale Rescue Rangers movie so it all worked out for him LOL

The thing is, literally everybody agreed that ugly sonic was a nightmare. That's why they changed it.
 
Only a small portion of people on the internet think that the "face-gate" girls are ugly period or ugly compared to their model. That's why they just get eye-rolls from most people.

The biggest crime and proof God isn't real is Norm died before OJ so we don't get any sweet "He's finally dead" Norm jokes. 

In honor of OJ Simpsons death I give you these touching words about the man from the incomparable Norm McDonald.
 
 

I like how neither of you actually answered the question. Darc completely side stepped it and Heca went on some goofy rant as if ulgy characters haven't always existed and people purposfully make ugly as fuck characters in create characters for them to play as in multi hour RPGs. 
 
Hell a lot of fighting game characters are butt ugly and still get play so thats out the window there to as some default always gotta be attractive expectation lol. Even Overwstch has "ugly" characters that don't fit the traditional molds of beauty like Rat Trap and Zaryia. 
 
You guys keep making this into a big issue and then when asked why it matters neither of you can really manage more then "I like looking at extremely pretty things all the time and so should everyone else." 

Then put me on block and stop responding to me if im such a waste of your precious fucking time. 
 
Edit: To answer Axemans question from my perspective, I think it matters for the reasons stated yesterday, characters fitting the world and character they are supposed to be is important and having that Star Wars chick look like a runway model would be fucking stupid and out of character from what I know of the premise. She's a bounty hunter, she shouldn't look soft. If this where a show they would be doing her makeup in ways that harden her face and take the softness away because Bounty Hunters are not soft people. They are cold hard people that's the life they live in the Star Wars Universe. She should look the part. 
 
Darc and Heca seem more concerned with her looking runway ready then looking the part she's playing. 

No because that wasn't Sonic, had more to domwith it being not Sonic then being ugly since Sonics been actually ugly in plenty of successful content like the old cartoons and Sonic Adventure 1 where he looks like a fucking golem but still recognizably Sonic. 
 
All the people you guys have complained about still look like the people they where modeled off of just with some tweaks to fit thengame, setting and character. 
 
Your comparing a visual character assassination to the visual equivilant of makeup and costume work.

I like how neither of you actually answered the question. Darc completely side stepped it and Heca went on some goofy rant as if ulgy characters haven't always existed and people purposfully make ugly as fuck characters in create characters for them to play as in multi hour RPGs. 
 
Hell a lot of fighting game characters are butt ugly and still get play so thats out the window there to as some default always gotta be attractive expectation lol. Even Overwstch has "ugly" characters that don't fit the traditional molds of beauty like Rat Trap and Zaryia. 
 
You guys keep making this into a big issue and then when asked why it matters neither of you can really manage more then "I like looking at extremely pretty things all the time and so should everyone else." 

It is though.  If this was a movie and they wanted this model to be playing the character and they wanted to have her look like the character that the art department draws up and envisions for their protagonist within this universe then they're gonna make up use whatever prosthetics necessary get the actor to look the way the need to.  Same principle here.  I can clearly see that its her with adjustments.  If she's going to be doing Outlaw stuff like Han then personally (again...subjective) she fits the part better looking the way she does currently.  Can she look super dolled up while doing the Kessel Run?  She sure could but thats not what they envisioned for this character.  We don't even know what she's been through yet.

The biggest crime and proof God isn't real is Norm died before OJ so we don't get any sweet "He's finally dead" Norm jokes. 

In honor of OJ Simpsons death I give you these touching words about the man from the incomparable Norm McDonald.
 
 

That "Gold" microphone is made of aluminum bro. 

The biggest crime and proof God isn't real is Norm died before OJ so we don't get any sweet "He's finally dead" Norm jokes. 

Every single of her features have been harshened.
To say that both sides are part of the same face is absurd.
 

Hahaha this is literally why I asked who the ugly person in the photos was cuz I saw the exact same person, even got her cleft chin correct. They gave her a different hair cut and she's under dark lighting and looks kinda dirty cuz she's an Outer Rim Bounty Hunter. It's not an audition headshot. This is like when they gave Kyle a beard as a sign of maturity and growth for Jedi Survivor 2 even tho his irl model and actor doesnt usually have one. It's in service to the character and the life they live and "world" they inhabit. 
 
 

The craziest thing to me is when he got locked up for the memorbilia situation, it did seem like the dudes ripped him off. He was basically trying to sell shit on the low to get around the judgement against him from the civil case. So the dudes thought they just steal from him. Given how well publicized the OJ murder case was and how violently Nicole Brown and Ron Goldman were killed, you have to have some boulder sized balls to rip OJ off. They were surprised when OJ rolled up on them with the heat demanding his shit back? Did you see what he did to the mother of his kids!? That level of stupidity that should be in the Guiness Book of World Records. Nicole and Ron, I feel bad for. Those memorabilia dudes? Nah, you know what you dealing with and you still try to pull something. They are lucky OJ didn't kill them.

That's bonkers. I love Castlevania more than the next guy but paying $90k for a sealed copy is absolutely ridiculous and makes me wonder if they're doing this to try to drive up the price like they were with that SMB cart.

Saying this is a lot of bollocks is fairly out there when it's coming directly from an actual artist in the field.  I'm not even going to say "This is absolutely right and it's the gospel" because honestly people can be in an industry and not tell you the 100% truth of what goes on within it.  That being said I'm more inclined to listen to someone from the field who's actually had experience in this then someone who hasn't.  Darc has something that's at least 2nd hand anecdotal so I can understand his apprehension to this.
 
Again in the grand scheme of things this is small potatoes and the fact that this is blowing up like this is pretty ridiculous.  We got a whole game that has far more concerning issues about it than the protagonist having freckles, having a change of hair style, being in a different set of lighting, and having a cleft.
 
 
Again all this stuff is based off something that really doesn't matter and is 100% subjective.  I can defend Stellar Blade's design while also looking at the protagonist for this game and going "eh she looks fine to me".  Not every character I play as has to be a chiseled piece of human perfection.  I am mostly interested in hearing more about the development side of things like this to get a better understanding  which is why I put up that thread.  If you happen to see any that comes across your feeds that actually talks about why the artist tweak the models in this way that doesn't have to do with some guy on twitter who is looking more and more to being a potentially being a grifter then I'm all for reading or watching it.

I always thought it ironic that Ford discontinued the Bronco after the OJ chase and replaced it with the Escape. 
 
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