elliephil

Talk about comparisons that aren't fair to make. SamSho is pretty niche compared to Smash, hell compared to SF, but there's objectively more of a scene for 5 Special than there is for SS2019, in part because the netcode situation is better and it's available free on Shitecade. 
 
There's really no reason to play SF4 unless you just really like the game. It looks worse, plays worse, sounds worse, and the netcode is worse than SFV. It's amusing tho how little anyone seems to play it anymore, even here in TN which was a bit of a hotspot for the game and the locals I was going to would play ST, 3s, SFV, even Alpha sometimes, but never 4.
 
Its also interesting to see playerbases that are fairly spoiled for competition who never really have to work to find games just let the game sink like a rock the minute they actually have to do some work beyond turning on the console to find a match. 

Extracting your vaccine after it has been injected is like trying to suck venom out of a snake bite... lololol

America's new avengers, coming to a Midwest state near you

It shouldn't have but I totally get why. 5 years later and I'm still burnt out lol

Extracting your vaccine after it has been injected is like trying to suck venom out of a snake bite... lololol

Joe Rogan, Wiz Khalifa, and Snoop Dogg formed a team lead by Professor Willie Nelson!? 😮

America's new avengers, coming to a Midwest state near you

America's new avengers, coming to a Midwest state near you

What I sense in the immediate future . . .
 
 

We aren't going to agree on this. You seem to think this will lead de-escalation. It won't. Vigilantes are cool, in the comics, in real life that shit lead to problems. We don't need people playing cop. Cops are often ill equipped to handle situations they are put in. Civilians with zero training are going to be even worse. If he went to project a family member's property this would different discussion. People are devious, they are going use the guise of "protecting property" to play out the Purge. 

Definitely interested in that cherry adapter. Please keep us posted!

Nah this is mad disingenuous. I was moderating a forum dedicated SF games while being a TO planning to do bigger things. I had plenty of reasons to keep track of a lot of different things.
 
Even with all that the most amount of possible whining would be from stream monsters. So yeah, I agree that SF4 shouldn't have dropped off as sharply as it did on SF5's release. But in the year 2021 of our Lord, where a brand new game came and died in less than a year because of super shitty netcode (GBVS), how are we talking about USF4's trash ass netcode as it letting that game do anything but rot?
 
The experience Elliephel shared is the one local people had in real time. Couldn't play online even though they were neighbors in the same street. While offline were going on? Some people could've definitely stepped up more. But now. Fam stop tripping.
 
If you ignore stream monsters and Event hubs article, the chance of you running into somebody talking about SF4 being better than SF5 are basically zero.

Everything I'm talking about is in the supposed future thats based on current events.  I never said anything about any racists committing any criminal acts currently I'm talking about those type of people seeing what's going to happen in this trial and like Darc said using it as an excuse to go out and do something akin to this to "protect someone elses property a few states away".  If you can't see the potential for this to set a precedent then you're purposefully ignoring it.

Sounds like some shit someone in the boonies would say, but I can't confirm otherwise lol

Their efforts to get more people involved with the game were maybe lackluster compared to others, but there was definitely an attempt. Twitch stream monsters and players are not the same thing. Expecting to keep this game relevant through online play is not realistic right now without serious investments that go beyond starting a hashtag, discord server, facebook group, etc. SF4 was played at every major offline event in some capacity. The same people who started in SF4 playing online are not the same people who play online fighting games now. Online is held to a much higher standard than before. There are other options available.
 
Local scenes near where I live pushed the SF4 revival thing as best they could within their circles since a lot of them did enjoy playing. Bringing in NEW PLAYERS is difficult because A) most of them come from online now and don't want to deal with it's trash netcode and B) there are so many other games they would rather be playing, ideally newer games. You can't force someone to play something they don't want to play. You have to make it appealing. Right now, it doesn't look that appealing. And so in that sense, you are right, they could be doing more.
 
I agree, there hasn't really been that much work aside from the really passionate few that still play frequently. If you look at games that have had a revival of some sort in the past few years, it almost entirely happens due to an upgrade to netplay and/or accessibility. Example, literally everything on fightcade, nulldc bear, etc. The closest thing I think SF4 players could do right now to revive the game without putting in some serious work would be to run parsec events, similar to mvc3 (which was also in a similar situation).

I think Prince of Egypt is a masterpiece and the very best animated film that Dreamworks has made.  It's definitely in my top 10 animated films of all time, and it really does seem to be slept on.  It's definitely better than nearly all of the Disney animated films barring a few of their very best.

Dad said not to hit your sister growing up, not sure why you're doing it now she is your wife

These are some arcade parts I've been working on.  In the future I might release them under the MEGASHOCK brand.
 
 

Squigga who are you mad at? You like one SF game that you barely have time to play. How ca you know that much about some shit you don't like at all?
 
I go searching for things because I'm a nut. But when tournaments were still happening, there was a group of people doing SF4 side tourneys. Stuff like Tournament of Legends and Jazzy Circuit take time to put together though.
 
But why is it that the game with wack online isn't as populated as the new games and some of the older games? 🤷‍♂️
 
Doesn't mean that comparing it to Melee still makes 0 sense. Hell now even Melee has better online because of slippi.

You still can't.
 
Smash fans had one viable game they came in with: Melee. Thats their real break out star for the competitive side. After that you had Brawl, 4 and ultimate. But realistically you have Melee and the new game. 
 
People who came in with SF4 did so into a community that has a multitude of games within it that all play different. Hell in SF2 alone you have 2 viable alternatives in HF and ST. So if you jumped in you had....HF, ST, 3S, A2, A3, SF4 and SF5. All of those games have a lot of merit to them. Smashers get Melee or their new game thst doesn't really differ too much mechanically from the old game.
 
 
Thats why it is way easier to keep melee alive. There aren't really a lot of viable alternatives to it. SF4 releases, you just learned about fighting games and then suddenly you had other non-SF games to compete for players. When you looked at it numbers wise, FGC has always had more people. The problem is that they aren't all on one game or series like Smashers are. 
 
So nah, not even trying to keep it to an SF vs Smash comparison really clears up the problem of there just being more viable alternatives to play.
 
Dayaan is a really good example of this. He went from smash, was in the FGC for half a second and skipped SF4 and SF5 to go straight to 3S. He has played a bit of a bunch of other games. But dude went into the forbidden lands like some bratty Simba at the elephant graveyard.
 
So it is what it is. Its like the thing with NRS games. Numbers wise there should be a bigger legacy audience for SF4 than older titles but for some reason there isnt; same way that the NRS competitive scene should be way bigger than it is but somehow it isnt.
 
 
Comparing most FGs to the Melee situation isn't really useful or fruitful.

Their efforts to get more people involved with the game were maybe lackluster compared to others, but there was definitely an attempt. Twitch stream monsters and players are not the same thing. Expecting to keep this game relevant through online play is not realistic right now without serious investments that go beyond starting a hashtag, discord server, facebook group, etc. SF4 was played at every major offline event in some capacity. The same people who started in SF4 playing online are not the same people who play online fighting games now. Online is held to a much higher standard than before. There are other options available.
 
Local scenes near where I live pushed the SF4 revival thing as best they could within their circles since a lot of them did enjoy playing. Bringing in NEW PLAYERS is difficult because A) most of them come from online now and don't want to deal with it's trash netcode and B) there are so many other games they would rather be playing, ideally newer games. You can't force someone to play something they don't want to play. You have to make it appealing. Right now, it doesn't look that appealing. And so in that sense, you are right, they could be doing more.
 
I agree, there hasn't really been that much work aside from the really passionate few that still play frequently. If you look at games that have had a revival of some sort in the past few years, it almost entirely happens due to an upgrade to netplay and/or accessibility. Example, literally everything on fightcade, nulldc bear, etc. The closest thing I think SF4 players could do right now to revive the game without putting in some serious work would be to run parsec events, similar to mvc3 (which was also in a similar situation).

Dad said not to hit your sister growing up, not sure why you're doing it now she is your wife

Now all of a sudden I have an urge to push a grocery cart around and check "bananas" off my list, Ed's theme has that grocery store music itch that I so desperately needed scratched! Thanks Capcom!