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That stories toasty. 

Ingrid story seemed kinda dumb but I don't know a whole lot about it. Her move set and stuff in game has never really bothered me tho, and I do like her character design visually. Just seemed like she was during an era when Capcom was transitioning away from fighting games really and no one knew what to do with her so she got shoved in CFJ, or Alpha 3 Max. 

She always felt to me like a cameo character that never got her main title to cameo from lol. "Hey remember Ingrid!?!" .....Nope lol. 

9 minutes ago, Darc_Requiem said:

It is comments like this that make it hard for me to take you serious. People have been taking issue with Eve because she's "too sexy". What you said in bold is just a lie. So I'm going not talk to you about this becuase your continue intelluctual dishonesty makes it point less. 

Bro no one's mad they made Eve sexier they are mad she's sexy at all. Thays a completely different conversation. The conversation we are actually having is about taking real people and changing them, and no ones complaining Eves model was changed here and there to make her sexier, they are pissed she's sexy at all. I'm discussing using models for scans and then changing the models. No one has a fucking problem when the model scanned is changed to make her sexier even tho it doesn't accurately represent the scanned model which seems to be the Crux of the entire argument, using model scans when you're gonna change them anyway. Thats what you said. Why pay to scan a model if youre just gonna change it? Why scan a real person for Lady Demu if youre just gonna change it by making her 9 feet tall and have huge fucking tits and massive hands? Why does it matter they scanned a real person for that Star Wars game and then gave her a harder look then her model head shot with all the makeup and perfect lighting has? That seems to be the argument. It's ok to change the model scan when making them sexier but don't ever do anything to make them "less attractive" apparantly?

Don't take me seriously, I don't give a fuck. I wasn't really aware we took eachother all that seriously to begin with. Literally arguing about digital people nothing about this is remotely serious imo. 

4 minutes ago, Hawkingbird said:

I'll take an Ingrid over Rufus.

I'd take all 3 of those over Rufus lol.  His snake strike into suoer horse shit got old. I don't care if Rufus is fat as fuck, I care that he's annoying as shit to fight lol. 

1 hour ago, Darc_Requiem said:

@ChadoukenWait a minute, you got me thinking about something. Where was all the unrealistic body type complaining for her? The thirst for her was unreal and no one seemed to have a problem with it.

Well because as has been pointeed out multiple times people only take issue when you aren't making them sexier. It's why no one e takes issue with Eves hips being wider then her shoulders because they want to stare at a fat ass no matter how goofy it looks 

And at least as far as Mega is concerned no one said anything becauese no one has a problem. Outside you guys everyone else seems perfectly fine with a large array of hero types, from  Super Models to normal looking people. This only gets brought up because you guys take issue with someone's art direction. The rest of us have been fine with it. I don't talk shit about Bob or Rufus or Bedman because I don't care lol. Hell for the time the tech put into guys like Bob and Rufus was really impressive, all that jiggle and shit. 

Like no one brings it up because as Axeman has said the people who actually give this much of a fuck are a very vocal minority. Everyone else doesn't really care that much. Just you guys and loser ass game journo publications like IGN France. 

I also don't think anyone actually takes issue with you shitting on any character you want, I take issue with the claim that there's malice involved on the Developers parts and they are out to uglify people out of spite or whatever. It's the way people attribute motive to developers they don't know to push an narrative that barely makes sense so they can get hits and clicks on their Twitter and YouTube channels. My issue this time has always lead directly back to that tweet posted 2 days ago or whatever. 

13 minutes ago, Darc_Requiem said:

Bitched about the quality of the render or bitched about her being scanned into another game. I've only seen the latter.

I remember some people bitching about the quality, but I don't care enough to try and find it so 🤷 

5 minutes ago, Darc_Requiem said:

It's amazing how multiple developers across several games can model Debra Wilson with no problems. 🤔

People bitched last year about her render in Jedi Survivor 2 lol. 

Lol that makes them all terrible people. They let a murderer go free and put other people's lives at risk to make a statement 95% of white people wouldn't get. 

Braaaaaavoooooo losing in real time. 

11 minutes ago, Darc_Requiem said:

I'll keep it short. Dont assign an opinion to me that I did not express. I have no patience for people putting words in my mouth. Feel free disagree with any position I actually have

I didn't assign an emotion, opinion, or position to you. I said that seemed like what you two wanted as in "This is my take away fromt his convo" I never said it was your actually position. Like Hecatom your reading what you want and not what I'm actually saying. No wonder you both accuse me goal post moving, neither of you are actually reading my posts. 

Walk away from the thread and get some air, your emotions seem to be getting in the way. 

28 minutes ago, Hecatom said:

When I provided meshes on blender of Alloy comparing 1 and 2, you ignored it.
And now we are having the same combo, again, you are acting as if I never provided proof.

No didn't. Meshes don't prove she's uglier. It proves she's a little heavier. You didn't prove anything  this with this but what was already agreed to. Meshes don't prove she's been made ugly. Your.claim has 0 bite. You in fact still haven't provided proof she's uglier. 

28 minutes ago, Hecatom said:

I find humorous that knowing what I want in my ENTERTINMENT makes me vain and shallow.

No I find your obsession with all females needing to be incredibly pretty vain and shallow. 

See you don't actually read anything I fucking say or else you wouldn't haven't have typed that dumbass line. 

28 minutes ago, Hecatom said:

Or are we gonna act that just recently the media and many devs were with pitchforks decrying that Stellar Blade has an attractive character?

No but we clearly are gonna act like this is new and sudden and hasn't been a thing for fucking decades so we can blow up into this big fucking thing day after day after day. You act like this is new and thats the most embarrassing part, you're just like the people who thinking bitching about DD2 Micros makes you an enlightening individual when people have been making characters of all stripes in every type.of entertainment for centuries. CENTURIES. 

I really don't give a fuck what the video game media whines and cries about its super pathetic you care as much as you do. I lived through thenntrying to ban videogames and failing you think I give a fuck about IGN France? Why do you? 

28 minutes ago, Hecatom said:

You can ignore all that if you want, I wouldn't and will complain about it every chance I have.
You are free to ignore me if you want, because I am done trying to have a discussion about this with you, since is a waste of time, for both of us.

I won't ever ignore you. I will argue with you every fucking time you make this stupid ass fucking argument. You have to block me if you're tired of having this convo I won't let it run unnapposed just because it annoys you. 

1 minute ago, Darc_Requiem said:

You seem to be more concerned with moving goalposts and arguing against what you believe people have said. Than actually having a true back and forth discussion. I'm about equity. The same standards should be applied to everyone evenly. I shouldn't have to spell that out for you. It something I bring up often across multiple subjects.

I haven't moved one single goal post, that's been Hecatom. My postion and argument have remained firm since the beginning. Neither of youhave provided a single good reason for why changing these models is an issue nore have either you managed to do a sufficient job defining any of them as ugly.  I've pointed out many body scan models who don't look exactly like the characters they are portraying in game, male and female you brushed them aside. Dante nor Nero or Vergil look like their body models used for their scans but neither of you seem to have an issue with that. Both of you seem to understand that he's representing the character Dante, not he himself in the game so they changed the model to closer fit what they want Dante to look like based off the model scan. Both of yoy get this but the moment tits are involved its suddenly a huge big issue. 

And Hecas lying to because Capcom caught flack for Clairs face in Resident Evil 2 Remake back when thay came out so Eastrrn Devs catch this stupid unjustified bullshit to. 

This started with the claim they are making the women ugly and the goal post was loved to "Masculine and hard." 

You have Heca are the only ones moving goal posts bro, don't accuse me of what you are doing. My position has remained firm the entire convo. Neither of you have justified your outrage at any of this but for some reason we have to hear about it from you two every time a character doesn't look exactly the way you seem to want them to. 

I post direct screen shots from Horizon 2 of Aloys face and get countered with Google Photoshop images and meshes thay don't show her as uglier but a little heavier which i have never once denied, yea she's a little heavier. 

Accuse me of goal post moving when I've stayed on my position the entire time. I think  youre better then thay Darc. 

2 minutes ago, Hecatom said:

Bro.
The character making sense on the world doesn't invalidate that they are making her as many other female characters ugly on purpose.

Bro none if them are fucking ugly. You have failed at every turn to pr9ve these women are ugly and when out to the oress yoy fall back on "More masculine and hard" and neither of those are default ugly traits.star Wars gal isn't ugly. Aloy isn't ugly. Even the women in MK1 aren't ugly. 

You sound so fucking vain and shallow. 

16 minutes ago, Hecatom said:

Like I said before, you always do this, hence why arguing with you ends being a waste of time, lol.

Then put me on block and stop responding to me if im such a waste of your precious fucking time. 

Edit: To answer Axemans question from my perspective, I think it matters for the reasons stated yesterday, characters fitting the world and character they are supposed to be is important and having that Star Wars chick look like a runway model would be fucking stupid and out of character from what I know of the premise. She's a bounty hunter, she shouldn't look soft. If this where a show they would be doing her makeup in ways that harden her face and take the softness away because Bounty Hunters are not soft people. They are cold hard people that's the life they live in the Star Wars Universe. She should look the part. 

Darc and Heca seem more concerned with her looking runway ready then looking the part she's playing. 

6 minutes ago, Hecatom said:

I did answer the question

No you didn't, you waffled on about some weird expectations the entire population supposed to have even tho there tons and tons of proof of people like "ugly" characters and visuals all the time. You even listed games that have "ugly" characters in them as well and are just as iconic and beloved as the traditionally pretty ones. I actually think you undid your own point with that post because SF and Overwwtch are full of characters people love thay don't fit any kind of traditional attractive mold like Zaria or Blanka and E. Honda. I remember everyone dunking on Zaria for being muscle bound and having pink hair but she ended up really popular despite the vocal dog pile kinda proving all this to be rather silly. 

No because that wasn't Sonic, had more to domwith it being not Sonic then being ugly since Sonics been actually ugly in plenty of successful content like the old cartoons and Sonic Adventure 1 where he looks like a fucking golem but still recognizably Sonic. 

All the people you guys have complained about still look like the people they where modeled off of just with some tweaks to fit thengame, setting and character. 

Your comparing a visual character assassination to the visual equivilant of makeup and costume work.

I like how neither of you actually answered the question. Darc completely side stepped it and Heca went on some goofy rant as if ulgy characters haven't always existed and people purposfully make ugly as fuck characters in create characters for them to play as in multi hour RPGs. 

Hell a lot of fighting game characters are butt ugly and still get play so thats out the window there to as some default always gotta be attractive expectation lol. Even Overwstch has "ugly" characters that don't fit the traditional molds of beauty like Rat Trap and Zaryia. 

You guys keep making this into a big issue and then when asked why it matters neither of you can really manage more then "I like looking at extremely pretty things all the time and so should everyone else." 

That "Gold" microphone is made of aluminum bro. 

Yes it reeks of another scam run at the collectors market. 

1 hour ago, Sonichuman said:

 

 

 

Hahaha this is literally why I asked who the ugly person in the photos was cuz I saw the exact same person, even got her cleft chin correct. They gave her a different hair cut and she's under dark lighting and looks kinda dirty cuz she's an Outer Rim Bounty Hunter. It's not an audition headshot. This is like when they gave Kyle a beard as a sign of maturity and growth for Jedi Survivor 2 even tho his irl model and actor doesnt usually have one. It's in service to the character and the life they live and "world" they inhabit. 

3 hours ago, Darc_Requiem said:

@RSG3I see Norm MacDonald. I hit thumbs up. I had forgotten how much he used to shit on OJ.

The biggest crime and proof God isn't real is Norm died before OJ so we don't get any sweet "He's finally dead" Norm jokes. 

In honor of OJ Simpsons death I give you these touching words about the man from the incomparable Norm McDonald.

2 minutes ago, Sonichuman said:

1. WTF does DEI have to do with this? 

Nothing, it's just our current buzz blame word of the week, it's easier to blame then to actually look into what might cause someone to behave like this. 

34 minutes ago, Camacho said:

The DLC in Dragon's Dogma 2 that people are bitching about is even less worthwhile than the bitching about DLC in DMC5. You get plenty of Ferrystones and enough Portcrystals already. And if you fast travel everywhere, you're missing 90% of the fun in the game. 

Yea man, they picked the weirdest of Mole Hills to die on lol.

5 minutes ago, TheInfernoman said:

You heard wrong...BUG success? *reported to Super Earth High Command*