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1 minute ago, Darc_Requiem said:

You seem to be more concerned with moving goalposts and arguing against what you believe people have said. Than actually having a true back and forth discussion. I'm about equity. The same standards should be applied to everyone evenly. I shouldn't have to spell that out for you. It something I bring up often across multiple subjects.

I haven't moved one single goal post, that's been Hecatom. My postion and argument have remained firm since the beginning. Neither of youhave provided a single good reason for why changing these models is an issue nore have either you managed to do a sufficient job defining any of them as ugly.  I've pointed out many body scan models who don't look exactly like the characters they are portraying in game, male and female you brushed them aside. Dante nor Nero or Vergil look like their body models used for their scans but neither of you seem to have an issue with that. Both of you seem to understand that he's representing the character Dante, not he himself in the game so they changed the model to closer fit what they want Dante to look like based off the model scan. Both of yoy get this but the moment tits are involved its suddenly a huge big issue. 

And Hecas lying to because Capcom caught flack for Clairs face in Resident Evil 2 Remake back when thay came out so Eastrrn Devs catch this stupid unjustified bullshit to. 

This started with the claim they are making the women ugly and the goal post was loved to "Masculine and hard." 

You have Heca are the only ones moving goal posts bro, don't accuse me of what you are doing. My position has remained firm the entire convo. Neither of you have justified your outrage at any of this but for some reason we have to hear about it from you two every time a character doesn't look exactly the way you seem to want them to. 

I post direct screen shots from Horizon 2 of Aloys face and get countered with Google Photoshop images and meshes thay don't show her as uglier but a little heavier which i have never once denied, yea she's a little heavier. 

Accuse me of goal post moving when I've stayed on my position the entire time. I think  youre better then thay Darc. 

2 minutes ago, Hecatom said:

Bro.
The character making sense on the world doesn't invalidate that they are making her as many other female characters ugly on purpose.

Bro none if them are fucking ugly. You have failed at every turn to pr9ve these women are ugly and when out to the oress yoy fall back on "More masculine and hard" and neither of those are default ugly traits.star Wars gal isn't ugly. Aloy isn't ugly. Even the women in MK1 aren't ugly. 

You sound so fucking vain and shallow. 

16 minutes ago, Hecatom said:

Like I said before, you always do this, hence why arguing with you ends being a waste of time, lol.

Then put me on block and stop responding to me if im such a waste of your precious fucking time. 

Edit: To answer Axemans question from my perspective, I think it matters for the reasons stated yesterday, characters fitting the world and character they are supposed to be is important and having that Star Wars chick look like a runway model would be fucking stupid and out of character from what I know of the premise. She's a bounty hunter, she shouldn't look soft. If this where a show they would be doing her makeup in ways that harden her face and take the softness away because Bounty Hunters are not soft people. They are cold hard people that's the life they live in the Star Wars Universe. She should look the part. 

Darc and Heca seem more concerned with her looking runway ready then looking the part she's playing. 

6 minutes ago, Hecatom said:

I did answer the question

No you didn't, you waffled on about some weird expectations the entire population supposed to have even tho there tons and tons of proof of people like "ugly" characters and visuals all the time. You even listed games that have "ugly" characters in them as well and are just as iconic and beloved as the traditionally pretty ones. I actually think you undid your own point with that post because SF and Overwwtch are full of characters people love thay don't fit any kind of traditional attractive mold like Zaria or Blanka and E. Honda. I remember everyone dunking on Zaria for being muscle bound and having pink hair but she ended up really popular despite the vocal dog pile kinda proving all this to be rather silly. 

No because that wasn't Sonic, had more to domwith it being not Sonic then being ugly since Sonics been actually ugly in plenty of successful content like the old cartoons and Sonic Adventure 1 where he looks like a fucking golem but still recognizably Sonic. 

All the people you guys have complained about still look like the people they where modeled off of just with some tweaks to fit thengame, setting and character. 

Your comparing a visual character assassination to the visual equivilant of makeup and costume work.

I like how neither of you actually answered the question. Darc completely side stepped it and Heca went on some goofy rant as if ulgy characters haven't always existed and people purposfully make ugly as fuck characters in create characters for them to play as in multi hour RPGs. 

Hell a lot of fighting game characters are butt ugly and still get play so thats out the window there to as some default always gotta be attractive expectation lol. Even Overwstch has "ugly" characters that don't fit the traditional molds of beauty like Rat Trap and Zaryia. 

You guys keep making this into a big issue and then when asked why it matters neither of you can really manage more then "I like looking at extremely pretty things all the time and so should everyone else." 

That "Gold" microphone is made of aluminum bro. 

Yes it reeks of another scam run at the collectors market. 

1 hour ago, Sonichuman said:

 

 

 

Hahaha this is literally why I asked who the ugly person in the photos was cuz I saw the exact same person, even got her cleft chin correct. They gave her a different hair cut and she's under dark lighting and looks kinda dirty cuz she's an Outer Rim Bounty Hunter. It's not an audition headshot. This is like when they gave Kyle a beard as a sign of maturity and growth for Jedi Survivor 2 even tho his irl model and actor doesnt usually have one. It's in service to the character and the life they live and "world" they inhabit. 

3 hours ago, Darc_Requiem said:

@RSG3I see Norm MacDonald. I hit thumbs up. I had forgotten how much he used to shit on OJ.

The biggest crime and proof God isn't real is Norm died before OJ so we don't get any sweet "He's finally dead" Norm jokes. 

In honor of OJ Simpsons death I give you these touching words about the man from the incomparable Norm McDonald.

2 minutes ago, Sonichuman said:

1. WTF does DEI have to do with this? 

Nothing, it's just our current buzz blame word of the week, it's easier to blame then to actually look into what might cause someone to behave like this. 

34 minutes ago, Camacho said:

The DLC in Dragon's Dogma 2 that people are bitching about is even less worthwhile than the bitching about DLC in DMC5. You get plenty of Ferrystones and enough Portcrystals already. And if you fast travel everywhere, you're missing 90% of the fun in the game. 

Yea man, they picked the weirdest of Mole Hills to die on lol.

5 minutes ago, TheInfernoman said:

You heard wrong...BUG success? *reported to Super Earth High Command*

6 minutes ago, Hecatom said:

Tjey probably expected unrealistic sales numbers

That would be my assumption because I remember it reviewing extremely well and DS fans being over the moon with it. Hard to understand how it's a failure unless the numbers really weren't there, and as SonicHuman just said we may never know what those where. 

The only rewriting of history going on there is saying MHA made anime mainstream. 

Wait I thought the Dead Space 1 remake was a bug success....did I hear wrong?

30 minutes ago, Abbachio said:

I've always had good experiences with their customer service honestly

The few times I've called its been a nightmare and that seems to be the general consensus from most people who have had to use it. 

I'm really glad it worked out for you tho, fighting CS is something people really shouldn't have to do. 

Edit: @Darc_RequiemYo for like a solid month my favorite way to pass time idly was to look up black people reacting to Ram Jams Black Betty or Wild Cherrys Play That Funky Music White Boy and losing their shit when they see both those bands are white as fuuuuuuuuuuuck 🤣 

1 hour ago, Darc_Requiem said:

Female characters in Western developed games are being made less attractive than the models they are scanned from. This isn't even debatable

It's actually 1000% debatable becaue beauty is 1000% subjective Darc. Your personal ideas of what is pretty isn't every single person's idea of pretty. It's just a general concensus. The fact I'm not the only one in just this one small thread alone saying they aren't ugly disproves your statement immedietly. 

1 hour ago, Darc_Requiem said:

Also rolling out Stellar Blade is just weak, at least roll out a woman with an actual unrealistic body type. 

Eves hips are wider then her shoulders, her body type is unrealistic. They've edited her model to be more attractive. It's not a 1 to 1 scan. 

1 hour ago, Darc_Requiem said:

 Or pick someone from a fighting game, most of us here play or have played them at some point. Plenty of options there. I mean if you going pull something from Shift Up's catalog use one of the numerous female characters the lead developer's wife designed for their other games. It can runs counter to the general narrative that assumes attractive female characters only designed by dudes but hey didn't stop the Bayonetta criticism. So have at it. At least Bayonetta's body is actually unrealistic.

I dunno any other games Shift Up has made to pull from so I can't. Haven't done that research. From what little i know its all mobile/gacha shit i dont give a fuck about. You're welcome to name any other characters you want tho, we can go all day with that. Bayonetta's body is EXTREMELY unrealistic, her arms and legs are inhumanly long as is her torso. It serves a function beyond just titillation tho as it makes her animations much much easier to read. 

You seem to have come away from this convo thinking I have a problem with unrealistic character designs when I don't at all. I just also have 0 issue with extremely realistic character designs to, designs that fit the characters and the lives they lead. 

I love having both super model heroes and regular Joe Schmoe heroes. 

I like both of these things so there is nothing for me to rail against because I'm getting both of what I want from the games I buy. When I'm done with realism of a sort I switch to some anime ass lookin shit like FF7R, I just put over 120 hours into that and everyone's Anime JPop looking as fuck in that game and I love it. But I also love Horizon trying to sell me a reaslitc-ish role play heavy experience. I'm playing a Techno Barbarian not a runway model, I would like her to look like the Techno Barbarian she is not the super model Coomers want her to be. I would like my Outter Rim Star Wars Bounty Hunter to look like an Outter Rim Star Wars Bounty Hunter not a Super Model in the Imperial issue of Sheeves Weekly. 

36 minutes ago, Hecatom said:

Bro, I already posted evidencdethe other times we had this convo, with mesh compsritions even, uding blender with the ripped 3d models

 

Yet here you are always willfuly ignoring evdence and claiming is fake shit. 

 

Is clear that arguing with you about this is a fucking waste of time, so why should I bother to post again all the evidence just for you to ignore it again, lmao.

 

A mere glance at the pucs you posted show how thy changed the 3d model to be more masculine. 

 

They even went on record multiple times on interviews talking how they purposefuly made the changes to make her look stronger amd not as weak super model, yet you are ignoring all of that disingenuously. 

 

You always do this.

 

 

I have never denied she looked a bit more masculine the argument is if she's ugly and if they are making her uglier. You can't accuse me of "Doing this shit all the time" when you want to move the goal post from manly and ugly to a little masculine and strong. 

Yes they made her a little more masculine and strong looking because she would be living the life she lives. The argument is if they purposfully made her UGLY. The argument is they wilfully went out of their way to make her an unnattractive character. That's the actual argument you and others like the Star Wars post have been making. Bot that they are a bit more masculine or something bit they are wilfully making their characters ugly. 

That's the argument I'm railing against. Not if she's slightly more masculine or not that's brain dead obviously apparant. She's slightly heavier all around because she's carrying more muscle mass. That's relatively realistic. 

You are presenting your position dissengenously in that post. Your argument is and always has been they made her ugly, not that they made her a little more masculine and strong. 

That guy seems to be an idiot based on that one tweet (can't see threads), like it doesn't take a whole lot of imagination to see why that's a pretty bad situation. 

What's weird to me is people now acting like it's a problem. Were where you all 15 years ago when this started? Had to have this convo with a bunch of people about Deagons Dogma 2. "If we don't protest now it will get worse" You are 15 to 20 years too late my dude. Those protests are long dead buried back when SFxT was a thing. Hell y'all missed the boat with RE2R, 3R, 4R, MHW, MHR, and irony or ironies, Fucking Dragons Dogma 1  11 years ago!!! Lol

I'm not against a sudden change in public perception but it's funny you all want to care now lol. 

2 hours ago, DoctaMario said:

This might be unpopular, but I think Steam's success has been a net negative for gaming given that they're a defacto monopoly and that they normalized internet-as-delivery-method and non-physical games.

And their customer service is absolutly fucking dog shit because Gabens from IT and believes in the ticket system. It's part of why I don't use Steam I Dread having to deal with Valve Customer Service should something go wrong with my account that would have thousands of dollars of purchases attached to it. 

Fucking Sony and Nintendos customer service is better. Think about that. 

11 minutes ago, Hecatom said:

Lmao, no. 

But if is what you want to believe feel free to do it. 

Then post actual screen shots bro. I literally posted a screen shot I took from the game below your post and you ignored it becauee posting old photos you pull off of Google is way easier then actually dealing with real screen shots from the actual game by actual players. 

Only one believing fake shit here is you to push this stupid idea that videogame characters being made ugly. They aren't, they just aren't pandering to your bishoujo pvc women statue fetish like Stellar Blade is. Aloy isn't remotly ugly or Manish in Forbidden West. She's slightly heavier in the face, that's it, as per my actual in real time screen shot from the game of her face last night. It's amazing how my screen shot from the game doesn't look anything like your picture. 

Edit:Hell ill even take requests, I'll take any screen shot of her from the game you or anyone else wants. 

2 hours ago, DoctaMario said:

It kinda defeats the purpose of buying physical if the version of the game that ships physically is outdated before it's even released.

And yet almost all of them do and have for 15 years at least. 

So is the tag wrong? You pretty much need the internet for a proper install or else you're playing probably a buggy broken mess. I don't want to play Day 1 pre patch Elden Ring I'll tell you what. 

7 hours ago, axeman61 said:

Why is it always that same picture?

Because it's all they have.