CESTUS III Posted December 22, 2021 Share Posted December 22, 2021 (edited) On 12/21/2021 at 3:15 AM, sKreetFighteZ said: Sounds logical. It makes sense given the fact that we almost know little to nothing about the secret society besides Kolin and Necro let alone the two brothers. Fun thing is at this point even if they chose to reveal us more about Secrety Society in next games (wich i think is likely), we have no way to know if the new pieces of story we get are completely new/made up at the moment or ifthe new canon fit in some way ideas that they had back to SF3 There are pretty clear hints back then they made SF3 thinking they will have chance to further develop the story in next game not SO long after following events of 3, while today we know things gone differently Who knows how much of the original post-3 lore will be used, current team may ignore it and go completely new route or they can write something that will follow to some extent what they had in mind for the future more than 22 years ago (SF3ThirdStrike) I think we will get something like 80-20 or 70-30 in favor of completely new stuff, but we know Capcom is good at keep record of obscure stuff was planned/dropped as concept even in further past Edited December 22, 2021 by CESTUS III sKreetFighteZ 1 Quote Link to comment
sKreetFighteZ Posted December 22, 2021 Share Posted December 22, 2021 2 hours ago, CESTUS III said: Fun thing is at this point even if they chose to reveal us more about Secrety Society in next games (wich i think is likely), we have no way to know if the new pieces of story we get are completely new/made up at the moment or ifthe new canon fit in some way ideas that they had back to SF3 There are pretty clear hints back then they made SF3 thinking they will have chance to further develop the story in next game not SO long after following events of 3, while today we know things gone differently Who knows how much of the original post-3 lore will be used, current team may ignore it and go completely new route or they can write something that will follow to some extent what they had in mind for the future more than 22 years ago (SF3ThirdStrike) I think we will get something like 80-20 or 70-30 in favor of completely new stuff, but we know Capcom is good at keep record of obscure stuff was planned/dropped as concept even in further past Yeah you're right. I kinda hope they add on to what they have to the Secret Society as a whole. I like how they made Kolin, who was nothing but a sprite in Gill's intro, into a fighter with a nice background. So I believe Capcom will have something good in store when it comes to the Secret Society. Quote Link to comment
CESTUS III Posted December 23, 2021 Share Posted December 23, 2021 10 hours ago, sKreetFighteZ said: Yeah you're right. I kinda hope they add on to what they have to the Secret Society as a whole. I like how they made Kolin, who was nothing but a sprite in Gill's intro, into a fighter with a nice background. So I believe Capcom will have something good in store when it comes to the Secret Society. Tbh we already know -relatively- a lot about the Secret Society, even if the characters themselves don't show that much https://streetfighter.fandom.com/wiki/Secret_Society For Kolin powers i think most likely scenario is that when they want somebody to gain elemental powers they somehow find out wich element is the one you have more affinity with and "give" it to you... even if is not clear if is something "external" given to you as a gift, or if they have a ritual/method to unlock something wich already exist inside the person. Before SFV used to think the gem they nailed into Gill/Urien's foreheads (wich link to pineal gland/"third eye") was theyr way to unlock the powers, but Kolin not having it mean it's not needed... at least in current canon, idk what was in SF3 Necro may proof was'nt needed even back to old canon, but i'm not sure if his electric powers have to be considered part of all other changes made with scientific experiments (like rubber body, extendable skeleton and the chip in his head) or if that ability has been given to him with techniques closer to Gill/Urien/Kolin elements. Would be cool to know if Necro rubber body has been given him also to work also as self-protection (as rubber can protect from electricity) wich would show a difference with Gill/Urien/Kolin that don't need anything to protect themselves by their own powers and may hint different(inferior) method used for him... but this is pure speculation My 2cents as now is that the forehead gem is not needed for the element thing, but to use the secret techniques Gill and Urien are the only two secret techniques users (resurrection and aegis reflector) and only two with the forehead gem, so maybe while elements are more a ki thing the techniques need also a physical operation to be unlocked Strange fact Seraphic Wings despite being apparently Gill's most powerful technique does'nt have a canon "explanation" and it's not considered one of the 66 secret techniques Another curious thing is the wiki says the maximum number of elements an human can control is 3, but so far the one we seen with most is Gill at 2 (fire and ice)... so i guess at least at that an unknown character (that maybe is'nt even currently alive) had greater potential Some consider Urien at 2 too (electricy and metal) , but i think he's at 1 with his element being electromagnetism wich give him both purple electric stuff and magnetic control over metal particles Kolin at 1 (ice) Necro possible case of 1 (electric, as said before if is'nt different method) G possible case of 1 (metal/gold, as Gill seem to recognize G's power, so seems at least possible he seen in G same kind of elemental power used by SS members) Quote Link to comment
sKreetFighteZ Posted December 23, 2021 Share Posted December 23, 2021 3 hours ago, CESTUS III said: Tbh we already know -relatively- a lot about the Secret Society, even if the characters themselves don't show that much https://streetfighter.fandom.com/wiki/Secret_Society For Kolin powers i think most likely scenario is that when they want somebody to gain elemental powers they somehow find out wich element is the one you have more affinity with and "give" it to you... even if is not clear if is something "external" given to you as a gift, or if they have a ritual/method to unlock something wich already exist inside the person. Before SFV used to think the gem they nailed into Gill/Urien's foreheads (wich link to pineal gland/"third eye") was theyr way to unlock the powers, but Kolin not having it mean it's not needed... at least in current canon, idk what was in SF3 Necro may proof was'nt needed even back to old canon, but i'm not sure if his electric powers have to be considered part of all other changes made with scientific experiments (like rubber body, extendable skeleton and the chip in his head) or if that ability has been given to him with techniques closer to Gill/Urien/Kolin elements. Would be cool to know if Necro rubber body has been given him also to work also as self-protection (as rubber can protect from electricity) wich would show a difference with Gill/Urien/Kolin that don't need anything to protect themselves by their own powers and may hint different(inferior) method used for him... but this is pure speculation My 2cents as now is that the forehead gem is not needed for the element thing, but to use the secret techniques Gill and Urien are the only two secret techniques users (resurrection and aegis reflector) and only two with the forehead gem, so maybe while elements are more a ki thing the techniques need also a physical operation to be unlocked Strange fact Seraphic Wings despite being apparently Gill's most powerful technique does'nt have a canon "explanation" and it's not considered one of the 66 secret techniques Another curious thing is the wiki says the maximum number of elements an human can control is 3, but so far the one we seen with most is Gill at 2 (fire and ice)... so i guess at least at that an unknown character (that maybe is'nt even currently alive) had greater potential Some consider Urien at 2 too (electricy and metal) , but i think he's at 1 with his element being electromagnetism wich give him both purple electric stuff and magnetic control over metal particles Kolin at 1 (ice) Necro possible case of 1 (electric, as said before if is'nt different method) G possible case of 1 (metal/gold, as Gill seem to recognize G's power, so seems at least possible he seen in G same kind of elemental power used by SS members) Damn. This is kind of interesting to hear tho. I never noticed all these things before. At first i thought you said the only elements a human can control was 3 and so i thought Gill's resurrection and Urien's aegis reflector was apart of that but i think not since those are considered the 66 arts i believe. Quote Link to comment
sKreetFighteZ Posted December 23, 2021 Share Posted December 23, 2021 I found some information I'd like to share with you all. So i was looking for some information ab the Dolls (when the Shadaloo Research website was introducing them), and i came across these japanese transcripts on a blog bc well i think it wasn't there anymore): (there are some images but it doesn't show the complete text). Enero: 【エネーロ】彼女がいちおうのリーダーデス。特殊任務の計画を練ったり 他のメンバーに指示だししたりする役目デスね。戦闘も出来ますので戦地に赴いて、直接指揮を取る事も多いみたいデス。声帯模写が得意で、敵を混乱させることが出来ますデス。結構プライドが高いので、扱いに困ることもあるんデス。次は Février : 【フェヴリエ】二丁のサブマシンガンを器用に使いこなす 銃火器の担当デス。口が物凄く悪いので 気を付けた方が良いデスよ。口げんかじゃ絶対勝てないデス。時間の無駄デス。 März: 【メルツ】 彼女は情報操作 サイバー攻撃を得意としているデス。非力ながらも それなりに戦うことは出来る見たいデスよ。こういうタイプが怒ったら 怖いんデスよねェ。実は秘密裏にボクシング(エクササイズ的な?)をやっていたらしいデス。 Aprile: 【アプリーレ】医療キットを持ち歩き 仲間の救護を担当しているデス。この F.A.N.G様謹製の 神経毒を支給してあるので いざとなったら 毒を使い攻撃してくるデショネ。イタリア出身で新体操なんかをやっていた様で、そこに目を付けてさらってきたとの事デスよ!怖い!人さらいアカン! Satsuki: 【サツキ】ジャパニーズサムライスタイルの戦闘員デス。戦闘力はDollsでナンバー1デスね。 愛刀ムラサメブレードの切れ味は ものすんごいらしいデス。まぁ ワタシに刃向って来たら 毒で刀ごと溶かしてやりますデスけどね。実は体術も得意で、相手を掴み上空にジャンプし地面に叩きつける技を持っていたりするデス。フーリガンコンビネーションの亜流技で、結構かっこいいデス。スライディングもしますデスね。 Juli: 【ユーリ】スナイピングアローを使う戦闘員デスね。前作で色々あったみたいデスが 無事にシャドルーに帰還し 世界征服に加担してますデス。 Santamu: 【サンタム】こちらは槍を使った戦闘が得意な隊員デス。 視力が良いので 高台から敵地を見渡し 効率よく任務を遂行する事が出来るのデス。ゴールデンライオンタマリンのキキが相棒の様デスヨ。動物が好きで、キキを酷使するのに心を痛めている様デスが、世界のため、ベガ様のためにはやむを得んデス。 Xiayu and Jianyu: 【ジウユー】と【ヤンユー】は双子デス ヌンチャクを使って闘う京劇風ペイントをしている方がジウユー。棍を使ってアクロバティックに戦う方がヤンユー見たいデス。よく間違ってしまうデスよ。コンビネーション技が得意らしいデス。なんかズルっこデスね。 Noembelu: 【ノウェンベル】Dollsのパワーキャラ担当デス。片手斧を二つ装備しているデス。両手に斧を持ち 回転しながら斬りつける攻撃が強烈デス。言葉少ない寡黙なヤツデス。野菜を育てるのが趣味、らしいので基地の屋上の一角を提供し、菜園をやっているデス。あと人形作りが得意らしいデスよ。 Decapre: 最後は【ディカープリ】ベガ様のサイコパワーの影響を一番強く受けてる戦闘員デス。元Dollsのキラー・ビーとか言うヤツの事が嫌い?みたいデスよ。ワタシは過去の事は全く知らないので何とも言えないデスけどね。マスクはマイナーチェンジしてるらしいデスよ。 Welp, that's all the information i found so far. I haven't really looked into it that much but this was all i found and i wonder if this is all Canon or not. Unfortunately juni doesn't have one which sucks bc i wanted to know what she done inside Shadaloo but oh well. Enjoy yourself. ShockDingo 1 Quote Link to comment
Popular Post Miðgarðsorm Posted December 24, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted December 24, 2021 17 hours ago, sKreetFighteZ said: I found some information I'd like to share with you all. So i was looking for some information ab the Dolls (when the Shadaloo Research website was introducing them), and i came across these japanese transcripts on a blog bc well i think it wasn't there anymore): (there are some images but it doesn't show the complete text). [snip] I surmise you stumbled upon RyoRedCyclone's blog, where he collected the long Japanese speech F.A.N.G did in the official SFV site if you pushed a special button (which appears gone as of now). I remember translating it back in the old SRK forum, and in fact it was maybe my very first translation there... Although there are a few new details about the Dolls which weren't there in the original one I see in SRK, while some other were omitted. @bakfromon@Lord_VegaThis is interesting, because it appears Capcom changed the message somewhere between 2016 and 2019. It's not the first time they changed their texts under our nose... My 2016 updated translation follows, with corrections; the new phrases underlined and the former, scrapped phrases with a strikethrough: Enero: she’s the provisional leader, and guides other members and refines all the plans for special operations. It seems she also takes part in battles quite often, as she knows how to fight. She is specialized in vocal mimicry, and uses it to confound the enemy. She's very proud, and often hard to handle. Then there is Février: she uses two submachine gun, and specializes in firearms. She’s terribly sarcastic, so beware! Her charming points are her hair and glasses! You can't win against her in an argument; it'd be only a waste of time. März: she is specialized in info gathering and cyber attacks. She's powerless, but she seems to be able to fight nonetheless. Not the type you’d want to upset! Actually, she seems to have been doing boxing (as an exercise?) behind the secret base.1 Aprile: she carries a medkit, and takes care of her colleagues. I, Lord F.A.N.G, have bestowed upon her a finely developed neurotoxin, so that in case of danger she can use the poison and attack. She's of Italian origin, and she was doing rhythmic gymnastics when she was abducted! That's dreadful! It's wrong to abduct people! 2 Satsuki: a Japanese samurai-style fighter. The number one fighting member in terms of offensive capability. Her beloved samurai sword cuts anything! Well, if she ever turns her blade on me, I can simply melt even her sword with my poison. Actually, she's also specialised in hand-to-hand martial arts, and has a move where she jumps in the air and slams her opponent to the ground. It's a followup to her Hooligan Combination, very cool to see. She also has a sliding kick. 3 Juli: a fighting member using Sniping Arrow. It seems a lot has happened in previous operations, but she’s safely back to Shadaloo to support our World conquest. Tháng Tám: a member specialized in spear fighting! As she has good eyesight, she can spot the enemy from high grounds. She can execute her duties with accuracy. Her beloved partner is Kiki, a Golden Lion Tamarin. She likes animals, and she worries about exploiting Kiki too much, but it's necessary for the World and for Lord Vega. Jiǔ Yuè and Yáng Yuè are twins. It appears to me that the one fighting with nunchakus and sporting a classical Chinese Opera face paint is Jiǔ Yuè, while Yáng Yuè is the one that fights with acrobatics wielding a stick; I tend to confuse them often. They seem specialised in combination techniques. That's a bit unfair, isn't it? November is the powerhouse of the Dolls. She wields two hatchets, one for each arm. Her spinning attack is devastating. She rarely speaks and is very reserved. Her hobby is to grow vegetables, and she has transformed a corner on the base roof into a vegetable garden. Also, she makes dolls. Lastly there is Dekabr’: the most powerful of all members, due to her being infused with Lord Bison’s Psycho Power. Could it be that she hates our former member Killer Bee? I can’t say it for sure, as I don’t know a lot of past things… 1 This is a clear attempt by Capcom to sell März as more of a threat, because a computer nerd is not a sufficiently believable menace. They sold hard November, Jiǔ Yuè and Yáng Yuè as strong opponents, and yet you never fight them... 2 LOL, F.A.N.G at his most hypocritical here. 3 I recall seeing Satsuki doing something akin to an Izuna Otoshi from the Hooligan Combination, but I don't remember where. Oh, and Merry Christmas to you all! Phantom_Miria, Hawkingbird, Bigtochiro and 10 others 11 1 1 Quote Link to comment
Darc_Requiem Posted December 25, 2021 Author Share Posted December 25, 2021 (edited) @MiðgarðsormFrom recollection Satsuki has third special attack the CPU AI never uses. It's the Izuna Drop. People that hacked the dolls playable could perform it. I looked it up before I finished my post, it's at the 18:41 mark Edited December 25, 2021 by Darc_Requiem sKreetFighteZ, Hawkingbird, Shakunetsu and 2 others 5 Quote Link to comment
sKreetFighteZ Posted December 25, 2021 Share Posted December 25, 2021 1 hour ago, Miðgarðsorm said: I surmise you stumbled upon RyoRedCyclone's blog, where he collected the long Japanese speech F.A.N.G did in the official SFV site if you pushed a special button (which appears gone as of now). I remember translating it back in the old SRK forum, and in fact it was maybe my very first translation there... Although there are a few new details about the Dolls which weren't there in the original one I see in SRK, while some other were omitted. @bakfromon@Lord_VegaThis is interesting, because it appears Capcom changed the message somewhere between 2016 and 2019. It's not the first time they changed their texts under our nose... My 2016 updated translation follows, with corrections; the new phrases underlined and the former, scrapped phrases with a strikethrough: Enero: she’s the provisional leader, and guides other members and refines all the plans for special operations. It seems she also takes part in battles quite often, as she knows how to fight. She is specialized in vocal mimicry, and uses it to confound the enemy. She's very proud, and often hard to handle. Then there is Février: she uses two submachine gun, and specializes in firearms. She’s terribly sarcastic, so beware! Her charming points are her hair and glasses! You can't win against her in an argument; it'd be only a waste of time. März: she is specialized in info gathering and cyber attacks. She's powerless, but she seems to be able to fight nonetheless. Not the type you’d want to upset! Actually, she seems to have been doing boxing (as an exercise?) behind the secret base.1 Aprile: she carries a medkit, and takes care of her colleagues. I, Lord F.A.N.G, have bestowed upon her a finely developed neurotoxin, so that in case of danger she can use the poison and attack. She's of Italian origin, and she was doing rhythmic gymnastics when she was abducted! That's dreadful! It's wrong to abduct people! 2 Satsuki: a Japanese samurai-style fighter. The number one fighting member in terms of offensive capability. Her beloved samurai sword cuts anything! Well, if she ever turns her blade on me, I can simply melt even her sword with my poison. Actually, she's also specialised in hand-to-hand martial arts, and has a move where she jumps in the air and slams her opponent to the ground. It's a followup to her Hooligan Combination, very cool to see. She also has a sliding kick. 3 Juli: a fighting member using Sniping Arrow. It seems a lot has happened in previous operations, but she’s safely back to Shadaloo to support our World conquest. Tháng Tám: a member specialized in spear fighting! As she has good eyesight, she can spot the enemy from high grounds. She can execute her duties with accuracy. Her beloved partner is Kiki, a Golden Lion Tamarin. She likes animals, and she worries about exploiting Kiki too much, but it's necessary for the World and for Lord Vega. Jiǔ Yuè and Yáng Yuè are twins. It appears to me that the one fighting with nunchakus and sporting a classical Chinese Opera face paint is Jiǔ Yuè, while Yáng Yuè is the one that fights with acrobatics wielding a stick; I tend to confuse them often. They seem specialised in combination techniques. That's a bit unfair, isn't it? November is the powerhouse of the Dolls. She wields two hatchets, one for each arm. Her spinning attack is devastating. She rarely speaks and is very reserved. Her hobby is to grow vegetables, and she has transformed a corner on the base roof into a vegetable garden. Also, she makes dolls. Lastly there is Dekabr’: the most powerful of all members, due to her being infused with Lord Bison’s Psycho Power. Could it be that she hates our former member Killer Bee? I can’t say it for sure, as I don’t know a lot of past things… 1 This is a clear attempt by Capcom to sell März as more of a threat, because a computer nerd is not a sufficiently believable menace. They sold hard November, Jiǔ Yuè and Yáng Yuè as strong opponents, and yet you never fight them... 2 LOL, F.A.N.G at his most hypocritical here. 3 I recall seeing Satsuki doing something akin to an Izuna Otoshi from the Hooligan Combination, but I don't remember where. Oh, and Merry Christmas to you all! Thank you for translating these. These were very interesting to read into. Also the AAC guide that mentioned the Dolls said they were all subjected to rigorous training sessions, so i assumed they were strong in their own right so i don't know why they would sell März as weak even though she is an elite assassin of Shadaloo. Dolls AAC: ベガ親衛隊【組織】■ ストZERO3 シャドルー の 強化兵士 の なか でも 選び抜か れ た 者 たち から 成る 、 ベガ の 親衛隊。薬物 による 洗脳•強化 と きびしい 訓練 を 受け て おり 、 機械的 に ベガ に し た が う。 隊員 が 10 ~ 20 代 の 女性 ば かり で 、 しかも 身体 に フィット し た レオター ド の 衣装 を 制服 として 着せ られ て いる の は、 ベガ の 趣味 だろ う か …… 。 世界各地 から 集め られ た 計 12 名 の 隊員 ( エネーロ 、 フェヴリエ 、 メルヅア ブリーレ 、 サツキ 、 ユーニ 、 ユーリ 、 サンタム 、 ジウユー 、 ヤンユー 、 ノウェンベル 、 ディカープリ ) が おり 、 それぞれ の 名前 は 1 月 から 12 月 の 各月 に 由来 し て いる 。 ただし , ゲーム 中 に 姿 を 見せ るのは 10 名 まで。 Vega Guards【Organization】■ SFZERO3 A group consisting of carefully chosen people who undergo enhancements to become supreme soldiers of Shadaloo, Vega’s Elite Guard (Dolls). Using drugs• as a method of brainwashing, they receive enhancements and are submit to rigorous training sessions, but they are mechanically subject to Vega. The members consists of abducted females ranging between the ages of 10 ~ 20 who’s attire consists of form fitting leotard bodysuits… I wonder if that’s one of Vega’s interests. The group consists of 12 members who’ve been collected from all over the world, each with a name derived from a corresponding month of the abductees home country:(Enero, Février, März, Aprile, Satsuki, Juni, Juli, Santamu, Xiayu, Jianyu, Noembelu, Decapre). Although 12 members are featured only 10 make an appearance in game. 41 minutes ago, Darc_Requiem said: @MiðgarðsormFrom recollection Satsuki has third special attack the CPU AI never uses. It's the Izuna Drop. People that hacked the dolls playable could perform it. I looked it up before I finished my post, it's at the 18:41 mark I do recall Satsuki having an Izuna Drop move 🤔, perhaps it isn't talked about as much because she's most known for her swordsmanship. Here's the video for the Dolls moveset. Satsuki's Izuna Drop move is at the 2:38 timestamp. Quote Link to comment
CESTUS III Posted December 25, 2021 Share Posted December 25, 2021 16 hours ago, Miðgarðsorm said: Satsuki: a Japanese samurai-style fighter. The number one fighting member in terms of offensive capability. Her beloved samurai sword cuts anything! Well, if she ever turns her blade on me, I can simply melt even her sword with my poison. - HOWEVER - SFV story may have 99 problems, but i will miss canon muscle power god Zangief -Break psycho powered katanas by flexing -One shot psychoberseker Abel into spinning coma -Balrog with his best punches was unable to do shit to him (till Ed distracted Gief) Too bad they ruined it a bit by having Alex defeating him in some shitty ending lol PS: Merry XMAS everyone 😄 Bigtochiro and sKreetFighteZ 2 Quote Link to comment
sKreetFighteZ Posted December 25, 2021 Share Posted December 25, 2021 22 minutes ago, CESTUS III said: - HOWEVER - SFV story may have 99 problems, but i will miss canon muscle power god Zangief -Break psycho powered katanas by flexing -One shot psychoberseker Abel into spinning coma -Balrog with his best punches was unable to do shit to him (till Ed distracted Gief) Too bad they ruined it a bit by having Alex defeating him in some shitty ending lol PS: Merry XMAS everyone 😄 Okay now this is funny 😭🤣. I find F.A.N.G the most hypocritical with Aprile there, speaking of Aprile, I now realize the many similarities her and Menat have. Quote Link to comment
sKreetFighteZ Posted December 25, 2021 Share Posted December 25, 2021 Happy holidays guys. I hope ur all doing well. I decided to do the bios of Honda's sumo students. Nishi no Fuji AAC: 西の富士【人物・♂】■『 スト Ⅱ 』 シリーズ エドモンド本だのエンディングに姿を見せる、本田の弟子のひとり。開発者のひとり、NIN氏がそのモデル? Nishi no Fuji【Character・♂】■ “SF2” series One of E. Honda’s disciples, who appears in his ending. His model is perhaps NIN, one of the developers? Hatoyama AAC: はとのやま 鳩山【人物・♂】■『 スト Ⅱ 』 シリーズ エドモンド 本田 の 弟子 の ひとり 。 本田 の エン ディング で 姿 を 見せる 。 Hatoyama【Character・♂】■ “SF2” series One of E.Honda’s disciples. He appears in Honda’s ending. Maru no Umi AAC: まるのうみ 丸乃湖【人物・♂】■『 スト Ⅱ 』 シリーズ エドモンド 本田 の エンディング に 登場 する 、彼 の 弟子 の ひとり 。 Maru no Umi【Character・♂ 】■ “SF2” series He's one of E.Honda’s disciples, who appears in his ending. Yasuhanada AAC: やすはなだ 安花田【人物・♂】■『 スト Ⅱ 』 シリーズ エドモンド 本田 の エンディング に 登場 する 弟子 の ひとり 。開発者 の ひとり 、 AKIMAN 氏がそ の 名 の 由来 ? Yasuhanada【Character・♂ 】■ “SF2” series One of E.Honda’s disciples, who appears in his ending. His name is perhaps derived from AKIMAN, one of the developers ? -PVL93- 1 Quote Link to comment
-PVL93- Posted December 25, 2021 Share Posted December 25, 2021 So guys, as we're winding down with 2021 and look forward to whatever news 2022 shall bring about the next installment, how is everyone feeling in regards to the story in SF6 now that we know Luke is supposedly going to play a big (potentially protagonistic) role in its events? Are they trying to fix the failure of Alex being the poster boy of SF3 by putting Luke into the spotlight? The kid is giving me sort of Sean vibes with how his animations display his lack of experience with martial arts (eg losing stance stability after the lariat and that awkward DP), so maybe he'll become Ryu's second protege now that Sakura is kinda being done with fighting having settled down with a job at a local arcade? Shakunetsu 1 Quote Link to comment
BootyWarrior Posted December 25, 2021 Share Posted December 25, 2021 1 hour ago, CESTUS III said: Too bad they ruined it a bit by having Alex defeating him in some shitty ending lol That Alex ending is most likely non-canon. And even if it is, Zangief gets even more feats in the Christmas side story. https://game.capcom.com/cfn/sfv/column/131312 He turns to the larger shadowy figure (Zangief), who has yet to react to what is happening. ----------- Ken's trademark special move was a little different this time. It was fueled not only with his usual fighting spirit, but with everything he's got. His fist hit something that felt more like steel than flesh, but it was definitely a clean, direct hit. The intruder reeled from the force of the attack. However... Ken's strongest Shoryuken wasn't enough to knock Zangief out or knock him off his feet. What makes this feat even better is that Zangief wasn't battle ready and chose not to retaliate on a helpless Ken who just performed Shoryuken. Capcom made Zangief the coolest World Warrior in one game. 28 minutes ago, PVL_93_RU said: so maybe he'll become Ryu's second protege now If he had a disciple, Capcom would make him the main star like SNK did with Rock Howard or how Namco did with Jin Kazama. Instead we got Luke as the main guy who already has ties with Guile. 32 minutes ago, PVL_93_RU said: Sakura is kinda being done with fighting having settled down with a job at a local arcade? That was dropped almost immediately. In Akira's story mode she's still eager to fight and hasn't changed/matured at all. Also Merry Christmas! CESTUS III, ShockDingo and Shakunetsu 3 Quote Link to comment
sKreetFighteZ Posted December 25, 2021 Share Posted December 25, 2021 2 hours ago, BootyWarrior said: That Alex ending is most likely non-canon. And even if it is, Zangief gets even more feats in the Christmas side story. https://game.capcom.com/cfn/sfv/column/131312 He turns to the larger shadowy figure (Zangief), who has yet to react to what is happening. ----------- Ken's trademark special move was a little different this time. It was fueled not only with his usual fighting spirit, but with everything he's got. His fist hit something that felt more like steel than flesh, but it was definitely a clean, direct hit. The intruder reeled from the force of the attack. However... Ken's strongest Shoryuken wasn't enough to knock Zangief out or knock him off his feet. What makes this feat even better is that Zangief wasn't battle ready and chose not to retaliate on a helpless Ken who just performed Shoryuken. Capcom made Zangief the coolest World Warrior in one game. If he had a disciple, Capcom would make him the main star like SNK did with Rock Howard or how Namco did with Jin Kazama. Instead we got Luke as the main guy who already has ties with Guile. That was dropped almost immediately. In Akira's story mode she's still eager to fight and hasn't changed/matured at all. Also Merry Christmas! Capcom’s needs to make up there mind 🙄 Quote Link to comment
Darc_Requiem Posted December 25, 2021 Author Share Posted December 25, 2021 3 hours ago, CESTUS III said: - HOWEVER - My favorite part of this scene was Mika's reaction and Ibuki's disgust at Mika's reaction. 😂 CESTUS III, sKreetFighteZ, Shakunetsu and 1 other 4 Quote Link to comment
CESTUS III Posted December 26, 2021 Share Posted December 26, 2021 6 hours ago, PVL_93_RU said: So guys, as we're winding down with 2021 and look forward to whatever news 2022 shall bring about the next installment, how is everyone feeling in regards to the story in SF6 now that we know Luke is supposedly going to play a big (potentially protagonistic) role in its events? Are they trying to fix the failure of Alex being the poster boy of SF3 by putting Luke into the spotlight? The kid is giving me sort of Sean vibes with how his animations display his lack of experience with martial arts (eg losing stance stability after the lariat and that awkward DP), so maybe he'll become Ryu's second protege now that Sakura is kinda being done with fighting having settled down with a job at a local arcade? Well, lot depend of what kind of "protagonist" they have in mind, i mean watch this pic by Nakayama Alex defeated the Boss, but giant asterisk next to that W Abel was barely present in the grand scheme of SF4, basically just helps Guile and Chun Li Rashid is a cool guy who helped a lot, but feels waaay more a supporting character than classic anime hero/game protagonist We don't know shit about SF6 beside what we can guess will continue from V... so anything at this point is very wild guess But my 2cents, I think his destiny is to get something middle way between Alex (pure fighter) and Rashid (supporting role, does'nt face final Boss) My theory is he's going to get an enemy within his range, not the actual super powerful final boss... let's say, something that can be considered sub-boss level We know Ed is on a path to become controlled by Bison, and with his Neo Shadaloo team he can offer a good villain for a "secondary" line of the story, while the actual BIG Villain (G?Or something linked to G? Something else?) go all out with usual planetary threats and characters more powerful than Luke have to deal with him If you think about it Luke vs Ed are evenly matched style wise: two similar size young guys who prefer mostly punching, Luke more powerful while Ed have Psycho-Power One may say Ed have big advantage due PP, but i think it's balanced by him being mind-controlled as a potential weakness... basically Luke will need just to offer good enough fight to wake up true good Ed/break the control "ghost of Bison" have on Ed 7 hours ago, BootyWarrior said: That Alex ending is most likely non-canon. And even if it is, Zangief gets even more feats in the Christmas side story. Yeah i remember that one too lol We can add that even before send to coma Abel, he drop from the sky like a fucking boulder and knocks Abel away like nothing just flexing Then we had this too [starts at 6:18] Zangief successfully mimic (well, his own version lol) fucking Kanzuki's secret technique after see it one time, then get praised for "sharp movements and honed skill" after sparring with Karin Damn i will miss Zangief reaching meme level of mightiness lmao 🤣 5 hours ago, Darc_Requiem said: My favorite part of this scene was Mika's reaction and Ibuki's disgust at Mika's reaction. 😂 That's because Mika already opened her heart to the holy path of Muscle Power, while Ibuki was exposed as blasphemous unbeliever But morning after Ibuki was spotted hidden in a cellar training and taking peds 3 months later sKreetFighteZ and Bigtochiro 2 Quote Link to comment
Popular Post Lord_Vega Posted December 26, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted December 26, 2021 (edited) Hey guys! Here's a small christmas gift for you (specially for @sKreetFighteZ😅)! EDIT: I included the story translations provided by @sKreetFighteZ STREET FIGHTER V CHAMPION EDITION STYLE GUIDE PART 1 Cover Spoiler Index Spoiler Height comparison Spoiler Artwork Spoiler Ryu "A martial artist who continues his training in search of true strength. He’s truly sincere in manner and personality, and travels the world seeking to fight against stronger opponents than himself. He continues to fight against the “Surge of Murderous Intent”; another entity that has been born within himself and devotes himself daily to control it’s power." Spoiler Chun-Li "An investigator of the ICPO who fights with magnificent kicking techniques. She became a detective at the age of 18 to search for her father who mysteriously disappeared, however knowing Shadaloo’s involvement with his disappearance, she swore to destroy Shadaloo. She cares for her friends and cares for Cammy, who is worried about the Dolls. She rescues a little girl who was kidnapped by Shadaloo." Spoiler Nash "A former lieutenant of the United States Air Force (U.S.A.F), and Guile’s best friend, who also belonged to the same United States Air Force. He once lost his life due to being caught in the schemes of Shadaloo’s leader Bison, but was revived by the hands of a mysterious woman named Helen. He realizes his imperfect body covered in patching will soon decay, and the time leftover to him he suddenly changes into a cold-hearted character who pursues nothing but revenge on Bison. Spoiler " More coming soon! Edited February 20, 2022 by Lord_Vega New info. Doctrine_Dark, sKreetFighteZ, CESTUS III and 7 others 8 1 1 Quote Link to comment
sKreetFighteZ Posted December 26, 2021 Share Posted December 26, 2021 8 minutes ago, Lord_Vega said: Hey guys! Here's a small christmas gift for you (specially for @sKreetFighteZ😅)! STREET FIGHTER V CHAMPION EDITION STYLE GUIDE PART 1 More coming soon! GREATEST CHRISTMAS GIFT EVER! MY EVER-LOVING STREET FIGHTER HEART IS HAPPY 😁😁😁😁😁! THANK YOUUUUUUUUUU Lord_Vega and YagamiFire 1 1 Quote Link to comment
Lord_Vega Posted December 26, 2021 Share Posted December 26, 2021 12 minutes ago, sKreetFighteZ said: GREATEST CHRISTMAS GIFT EVER! MY EVER-LOVING STREET FIGHTER HEART IS HAPPY 😁😁😁😁😁! THANK YOUUUUUUUUUU Glad you liked it! 😅 However, I was pretty disappointed about this book myself.... 80% of the stuff published was either in the Vital Box I and II books (like the character 3D models) or was already on the internet.... sKreetFighteZ and Doctrine_Dark 2 Quote Link to comment
sKreetFighteZ Posted December 26, 2021 Share Posted December 26, 2021 (edited) 7 minutes ago, Lord_Vega said: Glad you liked it! 😅 However, I was pretty disappointed about this book myself.... 80% of the stuff published was either in the Vital Box I and II books (like the character 3D models) or was already on the internet.... I very much do like it 😁. Can't wait for the other information to come in. Also,, I didn't know they have other books 🤔, i don't own them so unfortunately i never saw any of this information. Edited December 26, 2021 by sKreetFighteZ Quote Link to comment
sKreetFighteZ Posted December 26, 2021 Share Posted December 26, 2021 Btw, Nash just looks so damn tired. The man is HARDLY smiling like looks at that man 💀🙄. Quote Link to comment
sKreetFighteZ Posted December 26, 2021 Share Posted December 26, 2021 Guys it's late but i stayed up translating Chun-Li’s father's bio from the AAC: Chun-Li’s father AAC: 春麗の父【人物・♂】■『 スト Ⅱ 』シリーズ/『 スト ZERO 』シリーズ/スト Ⅲ 3rd/『 スト EX 』シリーズ/『 VS. 』シリーズ 春麗 が 長年 捜し つづけ て いる 父親 。ICPO の 麻薬 捜査 班 に 所属 し て い た が 、シャドルー がらみ の 事件 に 巻きこま れ て 行方 不明 に な り 、春麗 が ストリート ファイト を はじめる きっ かけ を 作っ た 。中国 拳法 の 達人 で 、 春麗 の 師 でも ある 。さらに 、 元 と は 何 か 関係 が ある よ うで 、春麗 が 使う 元伝暗殺蹴 は 元 → 春麗 の 父 → 春麗 へ と 伝え られ た もの らしい 。シリーズ 中 一 度 も 姿 を 見せ ず 、 生死 は いまだ 不明 だ が 、「 スト Ⅱ 」 シリーズ の エンディング で は 、 すでに 死亡 し た もの と 見なさ れ て いる 。 ■ ストリートファイター ザ・ムービー バイソン 将軍 の 手 に かかり 殺さ れ た 。 Chun-Li’s father【Character・♂】■“SF2” series/“SFZERO” series/SF3TS/“SFEX” series/“Vs.” series Chun-Li’s father, who she continues to search for many years. He belonged to the ICPO'S narcotics investigation team when he went missing after being involved in an incident related to Shadaloo, which made an opportunity for Chun-Li to start street fighting. He is a master of Chinese martial arts and is also Chun-Li's teacher. Additionally, it appears that there's a connection to Gen, as the Genden Assassination Kick (Moto den ansatsuke) Chun-Li uses seems to have been passed down from Gen → Chun-Li’s father →Chun-Li. He never once appeared in the series, as life and death are still unclear and in the “SF2” endings, he is considered deceased. ■ Street Fighter: The Movie He was murdered at the hands of General Bison (Balrog). ShockDingo and Doctrine_Dark 2 Quote Link to comment
CESTUS III Posted December 26, 2021 Share Posted December 26, 2021 7 hours ago, Lord_Vega said: Hey guys! Here's a small christmas gift for you (specially for @sKreetFighteZ😅)! Thanks dude, that's awesome I like in particular see the character proportions with them next to each others in static pose, give me idea they still need to work on scale between each others, because some barely make sense canon wise lol sKreetFighteZ 1 Quote Link to comment
-PVL93- Posted December 26, 2021 Share Posted December 26, 2021 Shinkiro's Cody relly looks like a younger Geese in that promo artwork Darc_Requiem 1 Quote Link to comment
CESTUS III Posted December 27, 2021 Share Posted December 27, 2021 18 hours ago, PVL_93_RU said: Shinkiro's Cody relly looks like a younger Geese in that promo artwork Well, Shinkiro have like 5 faces range, at some point you will have bunch of twins lol (but got to admit he got better since old KoF days, but still lol) 🤣 Darc_Requiem 1 Quote Link to comment
CESTUS III Posted December 27, 2021 Share Posted December 27, 2021 (edited) Since we are posting book stuff i post here too the SFV concept sketches scans... too bad no recent characters, would be curious to see HUGE gallery btw https://imgur.com/a/FcacENG Most curious still is "monster" G version, curious to know if was only a very early dropped idea or if there's some still untold lore behind that Edited December 27, 2021 by CESTUS III BornWinner and Darc_Requiem 2 Quote Link to comment
sKreetFighteZ Posted December 27, 2021 Share Posted December 27, 2021 4 hours ago, CESTUS III said: Since we are posting book stuff i post here too the SFV concept sketches scans... too bad no recent characters, would be curious to see HUGE gallery btw https://imgur.com/a/FcacENG Most curious still is "monster" G version, curious to know if was only a very early dropped idea or if there's some still untold lore behind that Hey Cestus, you know where i can find the English version. Quote Link to comment
YagamiFire Posted December 27, 2021 Share Posted December 27, 2021 10 hours ago, CESTUS III said: Since we are posting book stuff i post here too the SFV concept sketches scans... too bad no recent characters, would be curious to see HUGE gallery btw https://imgur.com/a/FcacENG Most curious still is "monster" G version, curious to know if was only a very early dropped idea or if there's some still untold lore behind that Fantastic gallery! Thanks for sharing this CESTUS III 1 Quote Link to comment
Chun-Li_Forever Posted December 27, 2021 Share Posted December 27, 2021 This one took me over a week to watch and write up. Also factoring the Holiday weekend. But here you go. STREET FIGHTER CHARACTER STORY TIERLIST - by Chun-Li_Forever Factors: importance to main lore, any ties to current/past lore, character development, meaningful interactions emotional stakes personal enjoyment Ryu - Even being Street Fighter's poster boy, Ryu's character story felt dull, uninspired, and safe (much like Ryu's character himself). Though the actualization of the Power of Nothingness wouldn't be seen until ASF, Ryu's story mode does very little to foreshadow any of it. Ken - Liked the callback to Ken's Alpha ending, and the quick scene before Ken's fight with Ryu. Wished we could see more of what their relationship was like at that time. A little bummed we don't get to see a little more modest Ken at Karin's party. Wished there was some tie-in to ASF, like maybe we see him eating with Mel and Eliza at another table across from Ibuki and Birdie in SFV. Chun-Li - Will try to keep my Chun-Li bias in check. I loved how this is the starting point of Chun-Li transitioning to a motherly role, you see her concerned, caring, and kind side of her within the first few minutes. Sweet and wholesome interactions with Li-Fen, especially the hair tying bonding them together. I would've loved to see some of Chun-Li's insecurities of being a mom, seeing as this is her first time too. Maybe she's nervous about not only protecting Li-Fen from any leftover danger after Shadaloo's dissolvement. Or maybe she's nervous of wanting to be as good of a mom as her father was to her when she was growing up. Flashback scene takes place Pre-Alpha, when Chun was still a rookie Interpol Agent. You can hear her more emotional and headstrong than what she is now. And the flashback of her story does stay consistent with her lore. Vega does mention of her father's death, and in Chun's Alpha endings when she beat the final boss: M. Bison, he confirms he was the one who killed him. Really wished she, Guile, and Charlie had more of an "official" introduction. It felt short and impersonal. Guile and Charlie are two of Chun's closes allies, so I feel their first meeting would be a little more important. Overall, it's a good character story that gives Chun-Li a little more depth in her new role as a mom, and as a rookie. Unlike most character stories with the initial roster, Chun-Li's story is a direct result of ASF, so we only see the significance of her character story AFTER playing ASF. And it sets up beautifully for what's to come in 3rd Strike. Cammy - I thought it was a decent story mode. It sets up Cammy's main goal of saving the Shadaloo Dolls in ASF. I think my only critique with it is that I wish they made Cammy's motivations a little more personal, rather than have FANG's dialogue serve as exposition. Like maybe a USF4 prologue soliloquy would've served nicely. But Juni and Cammy's scenes were my favorites of her story mode. Loved seeing Juni adjusting to normalcy since Cammy's USF4 ending. And her scenes after her fight with Vega felt much more personal. Nash - I feel Nash's story did the job it was supposed to. It's been years since he was last playable in an SF game, so reacquainting him through his retconned Alpha story was a safe choice. And it sets him up for ASF consistently. They never explain why Kolin sent Nash on a side-mission to confront Ed and FANG though. M. Bison - Both of M. Bison's fights are flashback fights: his encounter with Charlie Nash, and FANG failed attempted assassination. While the first fight is an Alpha retcon, the second provides some insight of how FANG was recruited into Shadaloo (more details in FANG's story). Loved the touch how in Lair of the 4 Kings, Sagat's facial monument still resides before FANG became his replacement. The last scene does a great job in giving us a small scope of Operation CHAINS, and what kind of threat we'd be expecting in ASF. Personally, I'd love if they gave M. Bison one more fight, like maybe against Chun-Li in the Alpha days, or maybe against Rashid as an early encounter before ASF. But overall, it was an okay story mode but it did wet the appetite for the ASF main course. Vega - I'm pretty sure Vega's first fight with Cammy is a retcon to his Alpha 3 ending, but I'm not 100% sure if that's confirmed. The only relevant things in Vega's story is FANG foreshadowing in using Bison's Psycho Power to power up the dolls that we'd see in the final act of ASF. It also ties in with Cammy's character story as well. But other than that, Vega's story just doesn't feel too important in the grand scheme of things. Birdie - So much has happened since we last saw Birdie. He was a Shadaloo punk and grunt before, but several years and several hundred pounds later, he's broken free and got himself a more respectable jobber's job as Karin's... punk and grunt? All this because he didn't want to wear a Shadaloo henchmen issued hat... cool. I do think Birdie's fight with Chun-Li felt a little random, what would've added more is if Chun-Li and/or Birdie recalled their Alpha 3 Fight-Your-Rival dialogue/scene they had. But the SFV encounter felt lacking. I did find his "initiation" into the Kanzuki family very funny though. While Birdie's story does little in the grand scheme of the overall lore of ASF, this is a good character story for Birdie's character. Karin - Personally, I would've loved a character story of Karin becoming the head of the Kanzuki Zaibatsu. Last we saw her, she was a high school girl, and now she's a boss lady. I'd love to see how she inherited that title, and if there were any power or personal struggles that came with it. Maybe some of those insecuruties could've lead Karin to be a stronger leader, instead of her being a complete Mary Sue for all ASF. Karin's character story feels like a "Adventures of Karin and Friends" filler-episode kind of vibe. So it doesn't do anything that adds to the current, previous, or future lore. It's just a showcase to show how Godly Mary Sue of a character Karin is. It's ridiculous, and your entertainment of this might vary with this one. But it's a decent reintroduction to Karin after so many years. Zangief - If anything Zangief's personality made this much more enjoyable. Its a shame since Zangief was never too important in any of the significant SF stories and plots, most of his stories are gonna feel like side-stories/filler. His character story mode doesn't add any new developments. R. Mika does become his protoge, but I assumed she's always been since he saved her from falling debris in SF Alpha 3. I also wished for Azam to be playable, I'd love to see what kind of new things we can learn from their kinship previously. R. Mika - I was a little irritated with R. Mika and her voice and enthusiasm when the game first came out. But its grown on me. And to be honest, I feel that Mika's enthusiasm and energy, as well as showing great promise in the art of Muscle Spirit, does enough to carry her story mode to a passing grade, at least everything before her sphat with Ibuki. It gets extra points for showing her and Gief wrestling a bear for a bit, though I would've liked Mika to have held her own against the bear instead of having Zangief toss it away like it was nothing. That way, it would feel like things would come full circle for Mika since her Alpha 3 ending when Zangief saved her. Also, Birdie's dialogue in this made me laugh pretty good. Dhalsim - Personally, I was bored with Dhalsim's story mode. He's always been a sage person, offering wisdom and advice to fellow fighters in his win quotes. So him teaching a new student in Yoga doesn't feel it adds anything to his character. Plus, there is barely any relation to any ongoing story plots. Dhalsim's story boils down to him teaching the power of Yoga, and he gets interrupted by Rashid, Mika, and Oro. Rashid - I think his character story was sort of a missed opportunity to set up the more important moments of ASF, which is a shame, considering he's one of the more main characters of the cinematic story anyways. He knows his missing friend (who has yet to be f***ing named) had ties with Shadaloo, and he did get a piece from her. But I wish she'd left behind some clue about its use, or about Operation CHAINS, or something about Shadaloo's grand plan. The info we got in Rashid's cahracter story in regards to the main plot is miniscule at best. It's just a story of Rashid beating up Birdie for info, and then getting his ass beat by Ryu to show he's still not yet strong enough. Laura - It's a showcase of her personality, and the ending scene does tie into her's, Zaangief's, Mika's and Alex's first appearance in ASF, but that's all her story mode has got going for her. I did like the bit with her and Sean. But Laura's story inclusion is hardly significant, and her character story makes her feel incredibly one-note. F.A.N.G - If there was one character that got the best treatment with both their character story AND cinematic story, it was FANG. With his character story, we got insightful and surprisingly dark backstory: implying that he was kidnapped as a child and forced to undergo rigorous tests and training until the sole survivor becomes the new FANG. And in the same story, FANG goes from lone surviving assassin to Shadaloo's 2nd in command. And its consistent with M. Bison's character story. I do think 2 of the same Bison fights in a row feels stale, and the 2nd should've been a harder difficulty, have Bison have infinite VT, or have Bison be completly invincible, and the only way to win is to survive until the time runs out. Other than that, in a mere 5 minutes, we get FANG's backstory on his origins, how he rose to power, and his scummy personality for his own survivability. Necalli - His character story is more of a narrated prophecy, rather than an origin story. And while ASF certainly disappoints with the Legend of Necalli, what we get in the character story was far more interesting. I feel his absorbing the warriors he defeats should've been something more explored upon in ASF. Unfortunately, despite better treatment in his character story than ASF, Necalli does very little to make an impact on the lore moving forward. Alex - Despite being the main protag in SF3, Alex's moments in his character story and ASF don't exactly hype him up to be that. However, most of his main lore importance does come from SF3, so everythin in SF5 does feel like filler. FANG never really explains why he kidnapped him. I guess the only thing his story does is set up his scene with Dhalsim in ASF, which feels like a waste. Guile - Quite a few good things in this story. I liked how Abel has continued his partnership with Guile, as seen in the SF4 endings and SFxT (despite no canon ties to the main story). Guile's flashback with Nash does feel a little short and I wished they could've expanded on that. Maybe show them getting a drink post-fight, so that it could mirror Guile and Luke's story. I also liked how it ties into ASF as sort of a prologue. Guile and Abel fends off FANG before infiltrating an abandoned SIN base. Sadly, all we get is that it's Shadaloo's Grand Plan. No specs, no details, just "Operation Chains". I would've liked at least one visual so us viewers can speculate, and also to see its relation to ASF. Finally, I liked how Vega's trap for Abel and Guile is almost similar to how he trapped Chun-Li in SF4, but the two end up escaping. My last complaint would be to have Abel and Guile part, so him randomly appearing in ASF doesn't feel out of place. Like maybe Abel will volunteer to keep giving Guile inside information from inside the Shadaloo base, while Guile tries to bring together a group of fighters to bring down Shadaloo for good. Overall, decent character story but with some missed opportunities. Ibuki - Surprisingly more enjoyable than I expected. While it doesn't reveal anything new about Ibuki personally, it's does showher first meeting with Karin, and how she was officially employed by her. Birdie is enjoyably stupid, Karin prefers hand-to-hand over handshakes, and Ibuki is still is hunting for a stud. Also some speculation for ASF that most of the "handsome young men" Ibuki talked to weren't to her liking, and that's why she's sitting bored at the table with Birdie stuffing his face. Since Karin isn't mentioned in SF3, I'm only going to assume employment with the Kanzukis was a temporary thing. But during her employment with her, she's had a lot of fun adventures in this game, and not just ASF, but as shown in other character stories too. Overall, Ibuki's story serves as a prologue and epilogue to her time in SFV before returning home. Balrog - Balrog and Vega have always been pretty fickle when it came to serving Lord Bison, FANG is the only obnoxiously loyal one. I feel that with FANG in 2nd in command, Balrog had always been looking for an excuse to leave for good, but as he states in his story "We'll go when we're ready.". So obviously Bison's downfall was the perfect time to seek employment elsewhere. I do think Balrog's character story does more to build up Urien as a power player than it does help Balrog with any kind of character development or any ties to plot. Balrog's story boils down to waiting for my 2 weeks notice to come up before I bounce to the next person who'll pay me da fight monay! Juri - I thought there was too much going on in Juri's character story. And it felt like it was going too fast. One of the good things about it was the first fight with M. Bison. It pretty cool and brutal for M. Bison to just take Juri's Feng Shui from her eye, but felt disappointment when she just got another one from an abandoned SIN base. I felt Juri's interactions with Helen/Kolin and C. Viper were too short for anything meaningful. And Juri just accepted to join Helen's team but what does she get in return? I wasn't sure if I understood or missed that part. And her fights with balrog and FANG feels kinda meh. Urien - So many great things to say with this. In ASF, Urien's job was not to take too much focus away from the main plot in his brief appearances, but when he did come on screen, he had such a commanding presence, and he left you with a taste for more. And he certainly shows that in his character story. His R&D and testing of Elevens are a sign of things to come in SF3 when Urien and the Illuminati rise to power. He's contributed to Nash's resurrection (I'm guessing Helen used parts of Eleven to "Frankenstein" Nash's missing bod parts. With his scene with C. Viper, we just a small taste of how grand Urien's organization can grow. If he could cause a few "suspiscious" deaths, research and experiement on Elevens while he's still rising to power with Sahdaloo still at it's peak, just imagine the power he'll have when Shadaloo crumbles at the end. Plus his dialogue perfectly paints his personality Overall, Urien has an excellent character story: he sets things up to come, partially contributes to a key point in the Nash's resurrection, stays true to his character (both now and SF3), and does just enough to make a splash without making too much waves. Akuma - I thought it was awesome that Akuma straight up kills Gen. I'm curious if Chun-Li ever finds out, what would the reaction be? And would she go after Akuma in another plot line? Sadly, and this is no fault to Akuma at all, obliterating Necalli just feels underwhelming because of how bad Necalli was in ASF. Hilarious faces and noises, and Akuma emerge out was pretty cool though. I did enjoy Akuma's interactions with Ryu, although it feels like it's been going on endlessly now. We always see the moments before and during the fight, but I enjoyed that conversation they had afterwards, even though I felt like I learned nothing from it. The thing I took from this was that wherever Ryu's journey ends, he and Akuma will have one last fight. And the conclusion should be enough to close both of their chapters for good. Obviously, that's not going to happen any time soon, but its got me imagining what a final climatic battle of two masters would look like, and if we're at the end of Street Fighter's life (god forbid), how would that final battle come out. Other than that, Akuma's story had some epic moments, but nothing that teaches us anything new or sows any seeds for any more pressing upcoming plot lines. Kolin - Because we only know Kolin from SF3, and as a significant NPC character in ASF, we don't have that good of an understanding of her full character. And it was imperative that her character story not only give us some insight about her, but also sets up some significance about her. Kolin's character story has everything I could ask for in a short character story: A chilling past, a meaningful fight with Guile (Kolin was hiding and resurrecting Nash, so if Guile won, all the secrets would be out), and it serves as a precursor to ASF as well as her services to Gill in the post-credits and SF3. I also loved the visuals in this story too. Ed - The only minor complaint I have with Ed's story is that I think it's a bogus explanation how it was Psycho Power that aged and bulked up young Ed in the time from SF4 to SF5. But I really enjoyed his story. The flashes of his past and his moments in ASF were minor reminders of his involvement with them. Menat's first appearence was a nice tease of what to expect of her, and a premonition of Ed and balrog's relationship together. And speaking of, it's him fighting with Balrog that probably has the most meaningful fight possibly out of all the other character stories. Ed leaving to protect balrog, and balrog feeling like he's lost the one thing he's cared about aside from Fight money. And even seeing a side of Balrog that we've never seen before was very refreshing and very good for both Ed and Balrog. We'll see how important Neo-Shadaloo is in future Street Fighter story plots, it's hard to say which direction they'll go with this. But based on what we got with Ed, his character story helped flushed him and Balrog greatly. Abigail - In my opinion: Worst Character Story. We learn nothing about him, each fight doesn't feel important, no ties to anything, and I'm left feeling more annoyed than entertained with his character story. With playing through all the character stories, there barely a single one that I didn't find at least a little enjoyment. But Abigail's, it felt like a complete waste of my time. It isn't until a few character stories later where we learn that Abigail runs a legit autoshop business, and I wish they mentioned that in his character story, other than spending the whole time looking for a car like some idiot. Menat - I think the best aspect of Menat's character story was that it's a fun showcase of her cute, laid-back, carefree personality, as if her animations and win-quotes don't already do that. Most of her story is just her giving premonitions to Ed and trying to give one to M. Bison (the later which foreshadowing his downfall). One thing that I did find most interesting was her scene with Oro. I do think she was foreshadowing events outside of ASF to come, while leaving many questions unanswered. While her story doesn't reveal anything new, there's something to enjoy about seeing Menat's attitude in delivering her premonitions to those involved. Zeku - Sadly, Zeku doesn't contribute to much in the grand scheme of things. But I found it interesting that rather than have his character story be about flashbacks and some Alpha fights that could mention Gen or other Final Fight characters, they have Zeku's character story focused on the future of Bushinryu, and having him branch out his services. The strider tease was pretty cool though. (Granted I'm not well versed in that lore to point out any commonalities) We'll see if Karin or anyone with $$$ hires Zeku for his services in future SF games and/or plotlines. But as a character by itself, it's nothing special. Sakura - We see one of the franchise's most beloved characters growing up right in front of us, and it's such a wholesome and wonderful feeling. I'm glad SF5 let her finally move on from not just her school girl phase, but also moving on with new life goals and directions. Sakura's story is probably the most relatable for the people playing it. We all grow up and as things change, so do we. Sometimes we get lost and are unsure what to do or what we want, whether it be for now or the future. And it's that feeling of realness between the audience and Sakura is what makes her character story special. The Ryu fight had a familial and comforting feeling to it. I won't speak on the shipping wars of Street Fighter, but Sakura's and Ryu's bit at the end was really sweet and cute. And a great way to end it. It feels Sakura can take the next step in her life, whatever that may be. And whether she's still fighting or not the next time we see her, I really hope it wont be long before we find out what Sakura does with her life. Blanka - Blanka-chan is the best thing to happen to Blanka since his he was reunited with his mama. Like Abigail's, Blanka's story was stupid filler entertainment. But unlike Abigail's it was actually fun and enjoyable (albeit the turn-off-your-brain type). Cracked a smile on my face with Blanka was trying to promote and market his Blanka-chan dolls, and I did like the SF2 plane reference. Falke - I'm left more underwhelmed with Falke's story. I feel she has most of the problems that Ed lacked. For instance, it's safe to assume Ed learned boxing from Balrog, but where and how did Falke master her psycho-bojitsu? I also know what Ed's motivations are. But I don't know what Falke's is. I feel she's just along for the ride, which doesn't help her character. I would've like to see Falke's backstory before becoming a Shadaloo experiment. Maybe also give her something to fight for? Like does she like Ed? Does she want to protect Ed like he did when he rescued her? I just wished that was clear. Only reason why Falke's story isn't "garbage" was because it answers some questions on Neo-Shadaloo's motivations, and how Ed recruited her. But I'd like for more exploration with her if she does come back Cody - Just like Sakura, I'm also very happy that they have Cody break from his delinquent character to a much more respectable and redeemable job as the newly appointed mayor of Metro City. He knows slugging out thugs in the streets isn't going to be enough, so he takes a step above and becomes mayor. Now he's in a much more powerful position to protect the city he loves. If SF ever likes to dive into the thick of it, I'd love to see what his campaign looked like, or what kind of city-wide policies he's drawn up. We don't know if Metro City is going to be a hub for future SF plot lines, but if it does, we can count on Cody to be right in the thick of it, fighting for his city. While I do feel Abigail's fight felt like a great introduction to the new Cody, his fight with Zeku just feels... forgetable. G - G is easily the most interesting and most intriguing newcomer Street Fighter character. However, I did come away from his character story learning absolutely nothing, and having more questions than answers. the most intriguing part of his story was the Tarot reading Rose and Menat on G. He got the Fool arcana, which doesn't nessecarily mean "stupid". If you play any of the Persona games, you'll know that the Fool arcana is one with endless possibilities, and of unlimited power. So going off of that, I say that we're in for some big things with G for the future of SF (Rose's story mode may also confirm this). But as a character story by itself, it feels like it matches G's arcana, The Fool: Dumb but untapped with possibilities. Sagat - While I do believe Sagat and the Satsui no Hado is a compelling direction to take Sagat's story, I feel that SF5 is a little too late for that. Perhaps (and this is just my opinion), if Sagat were to have a taste of the dark power while he was still bent on having a rematch with Ryu, maybe it would make more sense. But I feel Sagat has already moved past the vengeful side of him against Ryu. So having him struggle with the Satsui no Hado doesn't make any sense unless he had some connection with Ryu (which I didn't feel at any point in his character story). It was a strong choice for him to have a taste of it, but I felt that it was just the wrong choice at this point in the lore. And it's better for them to have a direction to go in (even if I disagree with it), than to have him stagnate for another story arc. Kage - Unfortunately, Kage's character story doesn't do much, if anything at all, to build him up as his own entity, even if he wins all the fights in his story. Hell, he doesn't even survive his own character story, which makes Kage seem even more foolish and laughable (on top of his lazy design). However, the best thing to come out of Kage's story is that it seemingly closes the chapter of Ryu and the Satsui no Hado struggle. Ryu's already grasped the Power of Nothingness in ASF. And now with Ryu unaffected by the temptation of the Satsui no Hado, it feels that Kage has lost any and all control or influence he had on Ryu. And while his sendoff isn't anything memorable, seeing how Ryu's darkside doesn't appear in SF3, we can only assume that the Satsui no Hado arc for Ryu ends with Kage. E. Honda - It's meant to entertain, and for many Street Fighter fans, and those of real culture, it does exactly that. While it fails on all the other aspects with regards to lore importance or character development, it more than makes up for it with its entertainment and hilarity (and fanservice) factor. Honda would make a good manager in whatever business venture he so chooses when he isn't street fighting. Plus "HOLD IT RIGHT THERE" should totally be one of his "parry" or "command grab" dialogues if he appears in another SF game. Lucia - Unlike Abigail, Lucia's felt like a proper reintroduction. There were references to Final Fight, but at the same time, with all the changes that Cody and Lucia (and Abigail) have gone through, it feels like seeing an old friend for the first time in years. Plus, I love the humor bits in this: her shakedown of Abigail's business + reactions, and her RIP noodles at the end. As said in Cody's, I would love to see what kind of political drama Metro City and it's city council members would be involved in. Not just petty offenders like Mad Gear, but also potential future organizations. If we can count on Cody to be there to protect his city, we can count on Lucia to do the same. Poison - My favorite part of Poison's story was seeing her softer side. She's always had a dominating personality, so after her and Hugo had a falling out, it was awesome to see this side of her that we don't see. Which is always good for Poison's character, even though we don't learn anything new about her. We never even got the reason why she and Hugo had a fight to begin with. Despite that, it's a decent story with both funny and softer moments. Gill - Gill's story is excellent. SF Producers have mentioned some of the character stories takes place after ASF and some even venturing into SF3 territory. Gill's story is his revealment to the world and thus spearheading the rise of the Illuminati that would be seen in SF3. I also loved how Gill's story also builds up G's character into something possibly more powerful (and potentially more dangerous) than what he seems to be right now. And finally, as powerful and menacing as Urien was in his story and in ASF (in spite of limited screentime), Gill makes him feel 2nd rate, as Urien is practically begging his brother to acknowledge him. Gill's character story checks off every box and was really enjoyable to see the seeds of the Illuminati organization start to rise to the surface. While I do think a viral video with G to spread the word is something a little out of left field, it still works. And we're left ponding for more as we are only given a taste of Gill's Harmony. Seth - Much like how I feel about Seth, their character story can be boiled down to Wasted Potential that will go nowhere. Seth is revived, and I loved the surprise that Seth gets revived into a female body. But even with an uptake in insanity, I feel their hatred for M. Bison and Shadaloo just won't go anywhere. With M. Bison fallen, and Shadaloo in shambles, where is Seth going to go with this? How long are they going to be chasing ghosts until they gets reprogrammed with another purpose? Potentially, if Neo-Shadaloo has any influence in future plotlines, Seth could show up and be a derailer of things, much like Necalli was in ASF, but to go from Final Boss of SF4, to this, I can't help but feel bad for Seth. Dan - Entertaining and dumb. Dan's story and Dan's character in a nutshell. Very fitting, fun, and stupid. I love it. It has the same feel as Blanka's: Stupid-turn off your brain filler-episode kind of fun, the same SFII plane travel reference, and enjoyable. Fun moments his his two closest confidants: Sakura and Blanka. And Blanka-Chan vs Saikyo-boy: Let the marketing battle begin! Rose - I don't think there was a character story mode that got me and possibly the SF community more excited about the future of SF lore than with Rose's story mode. She does a lot more than the supposed future of SF protag Luke does: Foreshadowing of a great force of nature, the end of the world, and the hint of restarting back at Alpha. (There were also some rumors that Rose already has started back at Zero when it the story leading up to it all began in SF Alpha). Plus more of building up of G to be someone more significant, some cute banters with Menat, and the famous bath ending scene. We'll see where the story goes from here, and if we'll get ala Mortal Kombat and retcon everything all over again, or dive more into potential end-of-the-world drama. But Rose has sparked interest in SF Lore and story once again. Oro - I love how Oro has an established relation with two of the oldest SF characters: Rose (who is more than likely immortal), and Dhalsim. Even getting his japanese shirt from Rose was a wholesome touch. Oro is another great character story that does a fine job in building up the future of SF potential plot lines. Just like with Rose and Gill, Oro's character story builds up more potential with G. And we learn that despite Bison's fall, his influence and power is still felt upon the world, which if left unchecked, could lead down the path of another apocalypse, very much as Rose predicted in her character story. I love Oro talking in Confucius/Uncle Iroh manner, and also planting the idea of how such an apocalypse can be prevented. Possibly something to explore in future SF games. Akira - If SFV character stories were like anime episodes, Akira's is essentially the Friendship and Beach trope episode, which is something I greatly enjoy. No long-term implications to lore. But maybe Akira ends up joining Karin's entourage, and we'll see more "Adventures of Karin and Friends" with Ibuki, Sakura, Karin, and Akira. I loved the flashback to Rival Schools, and giving us more insight of what happened during that time. Overall, it's fun, cheerful, wholesome, and building bonds between the four ladies. At the end of it all, I felt very happy experiencing this short character story. Luke - The last one is simple and short. Lots to unpack and definitely doing it's job of setting him up as the future of SF. Luke's backstory of seeing his father died is a good catalyst for inspiration. And after serving his time in the military, Luke has lost his reason to fight, but a quick spar and some beers with Guile makes him realize he can do more afterwards. I wished that Luke's Story mode gave us more to it, like motivations or some groundwork to get excited for him as the next protag of the franchise. But i loved seeing him and Guile going out for beers after their only fight. If any of the "end of the world" prophecies that the previous characters have predicted shall come to pass, we can assume that Luke will be at the forefront defending the future. But his story feels more of an introduction than an actual tie-in with any future plotlines. Daemos, Shakunetsu, Dracu and 4 others 4 2 1 Quote Link to comment
CESTUS III Posted December 28, 2021 Share Posted December 28, 2021 6 hours ago, sKreetFighteZ said: Hey Cestus, you know where i can find the English version. No, only version i found is this 2 hours ago, YagamiFire said: Fantastic gallery! Thanks for sharing this You're welcome dude Quote Link to comment
sKreetFighteZ Posted December 28, 2021 Share Posted December 28, 2021 37 minutes ago, CESTUS III said: No, only version i found is this You're welcome dude Aww man, but i appreciate the gallery CESTUS III 1 Quote Link to comment
sKreetFighteZ Posted December 28, 2021 Share Posted December 28, 2021 (edited) 2 hours ago, Chun-Li_Forever said: This one took me over a week to watch and write up. Also factoring the Holiday weekend. But here you go. STREET FIGHTER CHARACTER STORY TIERLIST - by Chun-Li_Forever Factors: importance to main lore, any ties to current/past lore, character development, meaningful interactions emotional stakes personal enjoyment Ryu - Even being Street Fighter's poster boy, Ryu's character story felt dull, uninspired, and safe (much like Ryu's character himself). Though the actualization of the Power of Nothingness wouldn't be seen until ASF, Ryu's story mode does very little to foreshadow any of it. Ken - Liked the callback to Ken's Alpha ending, and the quick scene before Ken's fight with Ryu. Wished we could see more of what their relationship was like at that time. A little bummed we don't get to see a little more modest Ken at Karin's party. Wished there was some tie-in to ASF, like maybe we see him eating with Mel and Eliza at another table across from Ibuki and Birdie in SFV. Chun-Li - Will try to keep my Chun-Li bias in check. I loved how this is the starting point of Chun-Li transitioning to a motherly role, you see her concerned, caring, and kind side of her within the first few minutes. Sweet and wholesome interactions with Li-Fen, especially the hair tying bonding them together. I would've loved to see some of Chun-Li's insecurities of being a mom, seeing as this is her first time too. Maybe she's nervous about not only protecting Li-Fen from any leftover danger after Shadaloo's dissolvement. Or maybe she's nervous of wanting to be as good of a mom as her father was to her when she was growing up. Flashback scene takes place Pre-Alpha, when Chun was still a rookie Interpol Agent. You can hear her more emotional and headstrong than what she is now. And the flashback of her story does stay consistent with her lore. Vega does mention of her father's death, and in Chun's Alpha endings when she beat the final boss: M. Bison, he confirms he was the one who killed him. Really wished she, Guile, and Charlie had more of an "official" introduction. It felt short and impersonal. Guile and Charlie are two of Chun's closes allies, so I feel their first meeting would be a little more important. Overall, it's a good character story that gives Chun-Li a little more depth in her new role as a mom, and as a rookie. Unlike most character stories with the initial roster, Chun-Li's story is a direct result of ASF, so we only see the significance of her character story AFTER playing ASF. And it sets up beautifully for what's to come in 3rd Strike. Cammy - I thought it was a decent story mode. It sets up Cammy's main goal of saving the Shadaloo Dolls in ASF. I think my only critique with it is that I wish they made Cammy's motivations a little more personal, rather than have FANG's dialogue serve as exposition. Like maybe a USF4 prologue soliloquy would've served nicely. But Juni and Cammy's scenes were my favorites of her story mode. Loved seeing Juni adjusting to normalcy since Cammy's USF4 ending. And her scenes after her fight with Vega felt much more personal. Nash - I feel Nash's story did the job it was supposed to. It's been years since he was last playable in an SF game, so reacquainting him through his retconned Alpha story was a safe choice. And it sets him up for ASF consistently. They never explain why Kolin sent Nash on a side-mission to confront Ed and FANG though. M. Bison - Both of M. Bison's fights are flashback fights: his encounter with Charlie Nash, and FANG failed attempted assassination. While the first fight is an Alpha retcon, the second provides some insight of how FANG was recruited into Shadaloo (more details in FANG's story). Loved the touch how in Lair of the 4 Kings, Sagat's facial monument still resides before FANG became his replacement. The last scene does a great job in giving us a small scope of Operation CHAINS, and what kind of threat we'd be expecting in ASF. Personally, I'd love if they gave M. Bison one more fight, like maybe against Chun-Li in the Alpha days, or maybe against Rashid as an early encounter before ASF. But overall, it was an okay story mode but it did wet the appetite for the ASF main course. Vega - I'm pretty sure Vega's first fight with Cammy is a retcon to his Alpha 3 ending, but I'm not 100% sure if that's confirmed. The only relevant things in Vega's story is FANG foreshadowing in using Bison's Psycho Power to power up the dolls that we'd see in the final act of ASF. It also ties in with Cammy's character story as well. But other than that, Vega's story just doesn't feel too important in the grand scheme of things. Birdie - So much has happened since we last saw Birdie. He was a Shadaloo punk and grunt before, but several years and several hundred pounds later, he's broken free and got himself a more respectable jobber's job as Karin's... punk and grunt? All this because he didn't want to wear a Shadaloo henchmen issued hat... cool. I do think Birdie's fight with Chun-Li felt a little random, what would've added more is if Chun-Li and/or Birdie recalled their Alpha 3 Fight-Your-Rival dialogue/scene they had. But the SFV encounter felt lacking. I did find his "initiation" into the Kanzuki family very funny though. While Birdie's story does little in the grand scheme of the overall lore of ASF, this is a good character story for Birdie's character. Karin - Personally, I would've loved a character story of Karin becoming the head of the Kanzuki Zaibatsu. Last we saw her, she was a high school girl, and now she's a boss lady. I'd love to see how she inherited that title, and if there were any power or personal struggles that came with it. Maybe some of those insecuruties could've lead Karin to be a stronger leader, instead of her being a complete Mary Sue for all ASF. Karin's character story feels like a "Adventures of Karin and Friends" filler-episode kind of vibe. So it doesn't do anything that adds to the current, previous, or future lore. It's just a showcase to show how Godly Mary Sue of a character Karin is. It's ridiculous, and your entertainment of this might vary with this one. But it's a decent reintroduction to Karin after so many years. Zangief - If anything Zangief's personality made this much more enjoyable. Its a shame since Zangief was never too important in any of the significant SF stories and plots, most of his stories are gonna feel like side-stories/filler. His character story mode doesn't add any new developments. R. Mika does become his protoge, but I assumed she's always been since he saved her from falling debris in SF Alpha 3. I also wished for Azam to be playable, I'd love to see what kind of new things we can learn from their kinship previously. R. Mika - I was a little irritated with R. Mika and her voice and enthusiasm when the game first came out. But its grown on me. And to be honest, I feel that Mika's enthusiasm and energy, as well as showing great promise in the art of Muscle Spirit, does enough to carry her story mode to a passing grade, at least everything before her sphat with Ibuki. It gets extra points for showing her and Gief wrestling a bear for a bit, though I would've liked Mika to have held her own against the bear instead of having Zangief toss it away like it was nothing. That way, it would feel like things would come full circle for Mika since her Alpha 3 ending when Zangief saved her. Also, Birdie's dialogue in this made me laugh pretty good. Dhalsim - Personally, I was bored with Dhalsim's story mode. He's always been a sage person, offering wisdom and advice to fellow fighters in his win quotes. So him teaching a new student in Yoga doesn't feel it adds anything to his character. Plus, there is barely any relation to any ongoing story plots. Dhalsim's story boils down to him teaching the power of Yoga, and he gets interrupted by Rashid, Mika, and Oro. Rashid - I think his character story was sort of a missed opportunity to set up the more important moments of ASF, which is a shame, considering he's one of the more main characters of the cinematic story anyways. He knows his missing friend (who has yet to be f***ing named) had ties with Shadaloo, and he did get a piece from her. But I wish she'd left behind some clue about its use, or about Operation CHAINS, or something about Shadaloo's grand plan. The info we got in Rashid's cahracter story in regards to the main plot is miniscule at best. It's just a story of Rashid beating up Birdie for info, and then getting his ass beat by Ryu to show he's still not yet strong enough. Laura - It's a showcase of her personality, and the ending scene does tie into her's, Zaangief's, Mika's and Alex's first appearance in ASF, but that's all her story mode has got going for her. I did like the bit with her and Sean. But Laura's story inclusion is hardly significant, and her character story makes her feel incredibly one-note. F.A.N.G - If there was one character that got the best treatment with both their character story AND cinematic story, it was FANG. With his character story, we got insightful and surprisingly dark backstory: implying that he was kidnapped as a child and forced to undergo rigorous tests and training until the sole survivor becomes the new FANG. And in the same story, FANG goes from lone surviving assassin to Shadaloo's 2nd in command. And its consistent with M. Bison's character story. I do think 2 of the same Bison fights in a row feels stale, and the 2nd should've been a harder difficulty, have Bison have infinite VT, or have Bison be completly invincible, and the only way to win is to survive until the time runs out. Other than that, in a mere 5 minutes, we get FANG's backstory on his origins, how he rose to power, and his scummy personality for his own survivability. Necalli - His character story is more of a narrated prophecy, rather than an origin story. And while ASF certainly disappoints with the Legend of Necalli, what we get in the character story was far more interesting. I feel his absorbing the warriors he defeats should've been something more explored upon in ASF. Unfortunately, despite better treatment in his character story than ASF, Necalli does very little to make an impact on the lore moving forward. Alex - Despite being the main protag in SF3, Alex's moments in his character story and ASF don't exactly hype him up to be that. However, most of his main lore importance does come from SF3, so everythin in SF5 does feel like filler. FANG never really explains why he kidnapped him. I guess the only thing his story does is set up his scene with Dhalsim in ASF, which feels like a waste. Guile - Quite a few good things in this story. I liked how Abel has continued his partnership with Guile, as seen in the SF4 endings and SFxT (despite no canon ties to the main story). Guile's flashback with Nash does feel a little short and I wished they could've expanded on that. Maybe show them getting a drink post-fight, so that it could mirror Guile and Luke's story. I also liked how it ties into ASF as sort of a prologue. Guile and Abel fends off FANG before infiltrating an abandoned SIN base. Sadly, all we get is that it's Shadaloo's Grand Plan. No specs, no details, just "Operation Chains". I would've liked at least one visual so us viewers can speculate, and also to see its relation to ASF. Finally, I liked how Vega's trap for Abel and Guile is almost similar to how he trapped Chun-Li in SF4, but the two end up escaping. My last complaint would be to have Abel and Guile part, so him randomly appearing in ASF doesn't feel out of place. Like maybe Abel will volunteer to keep giving Guile inside information from inside the Shadaloo base, while Guile tries to bring together a group of fighters to bring down Shadaloo for good. Overall, decent character story but with some missed opportunities. Ibuki - Surprisingly more enjoyable than I expected. While it doesn't reveal anything new about Ibuki personally, it's does showher first meeting with Karin, and how she was officially employed by her. Birdie is enjoyably stupid, Karin prefers hand-to-hand over handshakes, and Ibuki is still is hunting for a stud. Also some speculation for ASF that most of the "handsome young men" Ibuki talked to weren't to her liking, and that's why she's sitting bored at the table with Birdie stuffing his face. Since Karin isn't mentioned in SF3, I'm only going to assume employment with the Kanzukis was a temporary thing. But during her employment with her, she's had a lot of fun adventures in this game, and not just ASF, but as shown in other character stories too. Overall, Ibuki's story serves as a prologue and epilogue to her time in SFV before returning home. Balrog - Balrog and Vega have always been pretty fickle when it came to serving Lord Bison, FANG is the only obnoxiously loyal one. I feel that with FANG in 2nd in command, Balrog had always been looking for an excuse to leave for good, but as he states in his story "We'll go when we're ready.". So obviously Bison's downfall was the perfect time to seek employment elsewhere. I do think Balrog's character story does more to build up Urien as a power player than it does help Balrog with any kind of character development or any ties to plot. Balrog's story boils down to waiting for my 2 weeks notice to come up before I bounce to the next person who'll pay me da fight monay! Juri - I thought there was too much going on in Juri's character story. And it felt like it was going too fast. One of the good things about it was the first fight with M. Bison. It pretty cool and brutal for M. Bison to just take Juri's Feng Shui from her eye, but felt disappointment when she just got another one from an abandoned SIN base. I felt Juri's interactions with Helen/Kolin and C. Viper were too short for anything meaningful. And Juri just accepted to join Helen's team but what does she get in return? I wasn't sure if I understood or missed that part. And her fights with balrog and FANG feels kinda meh. Urien - So many great things to say with this. In ASF, Urien's job was not to take too much focus away from the main plot in his brief appearances, but when he did come on screen, he had such a commanding presence, and he left you with a taste for more. And he certainly shows that in his character story. His R&D and testing of Elevens are a sign of things to come in SF3 when Urien and the Illuminati rise to power. He's contributed to Nash's resurrection (I'm guessing Helen used parts of Eleven to "Frankenstein" Nash's missing bod parts. With his scene with C. Viper, we just a small taste of how grand Urien's organization can grow. If he could cause a few "suspiscious" deaths, research and experiement on Elevens while he's still rising to power with Sahdaloo still at it's peak, just imagine the power he'll have when Shadaloo crumbles at the end. Plus his dialogue perfectly paints his personality Overall, Urien has an excellent character story: he sets things up to come, partially contributes to a key point in the Nash's resurrection, stays true to his character (both now and SF3), and does just enough to make a splash without making too much waves. Akuma - I thought it was awesome that Akuma straight up kills Gen. I'm curious if Chun-Li ever finds out, what would the reaction be? And would she go after Akuma in another plot line? Sadly, and this is no fault to Akuma at all, obliterating Necalli just feels underwhelming because of how bad Necalli was in ASF. Hilarious faces and noises, and Akuma emerge out was pretty cool though. I did enjoy Akuma's interactions with Ryu, although it feels like it's been going on endlessly now. We always see the moments before and during the fight, but I enjoyed that conversation they had afterwards, even though I felt like I learned nothing from it. The thing I took from this was that wherever Ryu's journey ends, he and Akuma will have one last fight. And the conclusion should be enough to close both of their chapters for good. Obviously, that's not going to happen any time soon, but its got me imagining what a final climatic battle of two masters would look like, and if we're at the end of Street Fighter's life (god forbid), how would that final battle come out. Other than that, Akuma's story had some epic moments, but nothing that teaches us anything new or sows any seeds for any more pressing upcoming plot lines. Kolin - Because we only know Kolin from SF3, and as a significant NPC character in ASF, we don't have that good of an understanding of her full character. And it was imperative that her character story not only give us some insight about her, but also sets up some significance about her. Kolin's character story has everything I could ask for in a short character story: A chilling past, a meaningful fight with Guile (Kolin was hiding and resurrecting Nash, so if Guile won, all the secrets would be out), and it serves as a precursor to ASF as well as her services to Gill in the post-credits and SF3. I also loved the visuals in this story too. Ed - The only minor complaint I have with Ed's story is that I think it's a bogus explanation how it was Psycho Power that aged and bulked up young Ed in the time from SF4 to SF5. But I really enjoyed his story. The flashes of his past and his moments in ASF were minor reminders of his involvement with them. Menat's first appearence was a nice tease of what to expect of her, and a premonition of Ed and balrog's relationship together. And speaking of, it's him fighting with Balrog that probably has the most meaningful fight possibly out of all the other character stories. Ed leaving to protect balrog, and balrog feeling like he's lost the one thing he's cared about aside from Fight money. And even seeing a side of Balrog that we've never seen before was very refreshing and very good for both Ed and Balrog. We'll see how important Neo-Shadaloo is in future Street Fighter story plots, it's hard to say which direction they'll go with this. But based on what we got with Ed, his character story helped flushed him and Balrog greatly. Abigail - In my opinion: Worst Character Story. We learn nothing about him, each fight doesn't feel important, no ties to anything, and I'm left feeling more annoyed than entertained with his character story. With playing through all the character stories, there barely a single one that I didn't find at least a little enjoyment. But Abigail's, it felt like a complete waste of my time. It isn't until a few character stories later where we learn that Abigail runs a legit autoshop business, and I wish they mentioned that in his character story, other than spending the whole time looking for a car like some idiot. Menat - I think the best aspect of Menat's character story was that it's a fun showcase of her cute, laid-back, carefree personality, as if her animations and win-quotes don't already do that. Most of her story is just her giving premonitions to Ed and trying to give one to M. Bison (the later which foreshadowing his downfall). One thing that I did find most interesting was her scene with Oro. I do think she was foreshadowing events outside of ASF to come, while leaving many questions unanswered. While her story doesn't reveal anything new, there's something to enjoy about seeing Menat's attitude in delivering her premonitions to those involved. Zeku - Sadly, Zeku doesn't contribute to much in the grand scheme of things. But I found it interesting that rather than have his character story be about flashbacks and some Alpha fights that could mention Gen or other Final Fight characters, they have Zeku's character story focused on the future of Bushinryu, and having him branch out his services. The strider tease was pretty cool though. (Granted I'm not well versed in that lore to point out any commonalities) We'll see if Karin or anyone with $$$ hires Zeku for his services in future SF games and/or plotlines. But as a character by itself, it's nothing special. Sakura - We see one of the franchise's most beloved characters growing up right in front of us, and it's such a wholesome and wonderful feeling. I'm glad SF5 let her finally move on from not just her school girl phase, but also moving on with new life goals and directions. Sakura's story is probably the most relatable for the people playing it. We all grow up and as things change, so do we. Sometimes we get lost and are unsure what to do or what we want, whether it be for now or the future. And it's that feeling of realness between the audience and Sakura is what makes her character story special. The Ryu fight had a familial and comforting feeling to it. I won't speak on the shipping wars of Street Fighter, but Sakura's and Ryu's bit at the end was really sweet and cute. And a great way to end it. It feels Sakura can take the next step in her life, whatever that may be. And whether she's still fighting or not the next time we see her, I really hope it wont be long before we find out what Sakura does with her life. Blanka - Blanka-chan is the best thing to happen to Blanka since his he was reunited with his mama. Like Abigail's, Blanka's story was stupid filler entertainment. But unlike Abigail's it was actually fun and enjoyable (albeit the turn-off-your-brain type). Cracked a smile on my face with Blanka was trying to promote and market his Blanka-chan dolls, and I did like the SF2 plane reference. Falke - I'm left more underwhelmed with Falke's story. I feel she has most of the problems that Ed lacked. For instance, it's safe to assume Ed learned boxing from Balrog, but where and how did Falke master her psycho-bojitsu? I also know what Ed's motivations are. But I don't know what Falke's is. I feel she's just along for the ride, which doesn't help her character. I would've like to see Falke's backstory before becoming a Shadaloo experiment. Maybe also give her something to fight for? Like does she like Ed? Does she want to protect Ed like he did when he rescued her? I just wished that was clear. Only reason why Falke's story isn't "garbage" was because it answers some questions on Neo-Shadaloo's motivations, and how Ed recruited her. But I'd like for more exploration with her if she does come back Cody - Just like Sakura, I'm also very happy that they have Cody break from his delinquent character to a much more respectable and redeemable job as the newly appointed mayor of Metro City. He knows slugging out thugs in the streets isn't going to be enough, so he takes a step above and becomes mayor. Now he's in a much more powerful position to protect the city he loves. If SF ever likes to dive into the thick of it, I'd love to see what his campaign looked like, or what kind of city-wide policies he's drawn up. We don't know if Metro City is going to be a hub for future SF plot lines, but if it does, we can count on Cody to be right in the thick of it, fighting for his city. While I do feel Abigail's fight felt like a great introduction to the new Cody, his fight with Zeku just feels... forgetable. G - G is easily the most interesting and most intriguing newcomer Street Fighter character. However, I did come away from his character story learning absolutely nothing, and having more questions than answers. the most intriguing part of his story was the Tarot reading Rose and Menat on G. He got the Fool arcana, which doesn't nessecarily mean "stupid". If you play any of the Persona games, you'll know that the Fool arcana is one with endless possibilities, and of unlimited power. So going off of that, I say that we're in for some big things with G for the future of SF (Rose's story mode may also confirm this). But as a character story by itself, it feels like it matches G's arcana, The Fool: Dumb but untapped with possibilities. Sagat - While I do believe Sagat and the Satsui no Hado is a compelling direction to take Sagat's story, I feel that SF5 is a little too late for that. Perhaps (and this is just my opinion), if Sagat were to have a taste of the dark power while he was still bent on having a rematch with Ryu, maybe it would make more sense. But I feel Sagat has already moved past the vengeful side of him against Ryu. So having him struggle with the Satsui no Hado doesn't make any sense unless he had some connection with Ryu (which I didn't feel at any point in his character story). It was a strong choice for him to have a taste of it, but I felt that it was just the wrong choice at this point in the lore. And it's better for them to have a direction to go in (even if I disagree with it), than to have him stagnate for another story arc. Kage - Unfortunately, Kage's character story doesn't do much, if anything at all, to build him up as his own entity, even if he wins all the fights in his story. Hell, he doesn't even survive his own character story, which makes Kage seem even more foolish and laughable (on top of his lazy design). However, the best thing to come out of Kage's story is that it seemingly closes the chapter of Ryu and the Satsui no Hado struggle. Ryu's already grasped the Power of Nothingness in ASF. And now with Ryu unaffected by the temptation of the Satsui no Hado, it feels that Kage has lost any and all control or influence he had on Ryu. And while his sendoff isn't anything memorable, seeing how Ryu's darkside doesn't appear in SF3, we can only assume that the Satsui no Hado arc for Ryu ends with Kage. E. Honda - It's meant to entertain, and for many Street Fighter fans, and those of real culture, it does exactly that. While it fails on all the other aspects with regards to lore importance or character development, it more than makes up for it with its entertainment and hilarity (and fanservice) factor. Honda would make a good manager in whatever business venture he so chooses when he isn't street fighting. Plus "HOLD IT RIGHT THERE" should totally be one of his "parry" or "command grab" dialogues if he appears in another SF game. Lucia - Unlike Abigail, Lucia's felt like a proper reintroduction. There were references to Final Fight, but at the same time, with all the changes that Cody and Lucia (and Abigail) have gone through, it feels like seeing an old friend for the first time in years. Plus, I love the humor bits in this: her shakedown of Abigail's business + reactions, and her RIP noodles at the end. As said in Cody's, I would love to see what kind of political drama Metro City and it's city council members would be involved in. Not just petty offenders like Mad Gear, but also potential future organizations. If we can count on Cody to be there to protect his city, we can count on Lucia to do the same. Poison - My favorite part of Poison's story was seeing her softer side. She's always had a dominating personality, so after her and Hugo had a falling out, it was awesome to see this side of her that we don't see. Which is always good for Poison's character, even though we don't learn anything new about her. We never even got the reason why she and Hugo had a fight to begin with. Despite that, it's a decent story with both funny and softer moments. Gill - Gill's story is excellent. SF Producers have mentioned some of the character stories takes place after ASF and some even venturing into SF3 territory. Gill's story is his revealment to the world and thus spearheading the rise of the Illuminati that would be seen in SF3. I also loved how Gill's story also builds up G's character into something possibly more powerful (and potentially more dangerous) than what he seems to be right now. And finally, as powerful and menacing as Urien was in his story and in ASF (in spite of limited screentime), Gill makes him feel 2nd rate, as Urien is practically begging his brother to acknowledge him. Gill's character story checks off every box and was really enjoyable to see the seeds of the Illuminati organization start to rise to the surface. While I do think a viral video with G to spread the word is something a little out of left field, it still works. And we're left ponding for more as we are only given a taste of Gill's Harmony. Seth - Much like how I feel about Seth, their character story can be boiled down to Wasted Potential that will go nowhere. Seth is revived, and I loved the surprise that Seth gets revived into a female body. But even with an uptake in insanity, I feel their hatred for M. Bison and Shadaloo just won't go anywhere. With M. Bison fallen, and Shadaloo in shambles, where is Seth going to go with this? How long are they going to be chasing ghosts until they gets reprogrammed with another purpose? Potentially, if Neo-Shadaloo has any influence in future plotlines, Seth could show up and be a derailer of things, much like Necalli was in ASF, but to go from Final Boss of SF4, to this, I can't help but feel bad for Seth. Dan - Entertaining and dumb. Dan's story and Dan's character in a nutshell. Very fitting, fun, and stupid. I love it. It has the same feel as Blanka's: Stupid-turn off your brain filler-episode kind of fun, the same SFII plane travel reference, and enjoyable. Fun moments his his two closest confidants: Sakura and Blanka. And Blanka-Chan vs Saikyo-boy: Let the marketing battle begin! Rose - I don't think there was a character story mode that got me and possibly the SF community more excited about the future of SF lore than with Rose's story mode. She does a lot more than the supposed future of SF protag Luke does: Foreshadowing of a great force of nature, the end of the world, and the hint of restarting back at Alpha. (There were also some rumors that Rose already has started back at Zero when it the story leading up to it all began in SF Alpha). Plus more of building up of G to be someone more significant, some cute banters with Menat, and the famous bath ending scene. We'll see where the story goes from here, and if we'll get ala Mortal Kombat and retcon everything all over again, or dive more into potential end-of-the-world drama. But Rose has sparked interest in SF Lore and story once again. Oro - I love how Oro has an established relation with two of the oldest SF characters: Rose (who is more than likely immortal), and Dhalsim. Even getting his japanese shirt from Rose was a wholesome touch. Oro is another great character story that does a fine job in building up the future of SF potential plot lines. Just like with Rose and Gill, Oro's character story builds up more potential with G. And we learn that despite Bison's fall, his influence and power is still felt upon the world, which if left unchecked, could lead down the path of another apocalypse, very much as Rose predicted in her character story. I love Oro talking in Confucius/Uncle Iroh manner, and also planting the idea of how such an apocalypse can be prevented. Possibly something to explore in future SF games. Akira - If SFV character stories were like anime episodes, Akira's is essentially the Friendship and Beach trope episode, which is something I greatly enjoy. No long-term implications to lore. But maybe Akira ends up joining Karin's entourage, and we'll see more "Adventures of Karin and Friends" with Ibuki, Sakura, Karin, and Akira. I loved the flashback to Rival Schools, and giving us more insight of what happened during that time. Overall, it's fun, cheerful, wholesome, and building bonds between the four ladies. At the end of it all, I felt very happy experiencing this short character story. Luke - The last one is simple and short. Lots to unpack and definitely doing it's job of setting him up as the future of SF. Luke's backstory of seeing his father died is a good catalyst for inspiration. And after serving his time in the military, Luke has lost his reason to fight, but a quick spar and some beers with Guile makes him realize he can do more afterwards. I wished that Luke's Story mode gave us more to it, like motivations or some groundwork to get excited for him as the next protag of the franchise. But i loved seeing him and Guile going out for beers after their only fight. If any of the "end of the world" prophecies that the previous characters have predicted shall come to pass, we can assume that Luke will be at the forefront defending the future. But his story feels more of an introduction than an actual tie-in with any future plotlines. It was actually nice to read this thread and your points of views. I actually enjoyed all the stories but if one thing, Falke's overall story is nice but it doesn't add up to anything and Falke makes me wanna piss off flames just looking at her. Edited December 28, 2021 by sKreetFighteZ Chun-Li_Forever 1 Quote Link to comment
CESTUS III Posted December 28, 2021 Share Posted December 28, 2021 (edited) Not sure if already debated, but we now know the 4 Neo Shadaloo characters special abilities + the name of the Gorilla M. Bison divided his abilities to each member of Neo Shadaloo. Whether or not he knew he'd confront Ryu one day or that he wants to continue fighting as a fighting king even after death is unknown.[2] Ed inherited M. Bison's ability to eject Psycho Power.[3] Falke inherited M. Bison's ability to inject Psycho Power into objects.[3] Baba inherited M. Bison's wisdom and high intelligence.[3] The unnamed member inherited M. Bison's ability to teleport.[3] In Swahili, Baba Mwalimu means "father teacher" which ties into it's wisdom and intellect. This is the wiki, here original japanese post from Nakayama's twitter ⬇️ The name of the gorilla is Baba Mwarim. It's insanely smart. (ゴリラの名前はババ・ムワリムといいます。めちゃくちゃ賢いです。) from Nakayama's twitter "There's a reason for splitting up Bison's abilities. Maybe he knew he was going to have a confrontation with Ryu, or maybe he wants to come back in some way and continue as a king of fighting even if his body is destroyed... I hope we can talk about that someday! As for the names, as someone noticed, the initials are B (Baba Mwalimu), E (Ed), F (Falke), and G (I'm reaching Twitter's character limit...). (能力を分けたのには理由があるんです。リュウとの対決がわかっていたとか、ボディが滅びても何かしらの形で復活し格闘王として戦い続けたいとか…その辺はいつか語れると良いですね~。名前も誰かお気づきになってましたが頭文字が「B(ゴリラ)」「E(エド)」「F(ファルケ)」「G(文字数が・・・)) from Nakayama's twitter In fact, the members of Neo Shadaloo (and the companions you may find in the future) have inherited the characteristics of Vega. Falke injects psychopower into a substance, Ed ejects psychopower, and those with knives can warp. So the gorilla is in charge of wisdom. (実はネオ・シャドルーのメンバー(と、きっとこれから見つかるかもしれない仲間)はベガ様の特徴をバラバラに引き継いでいるんです。ファルケは物質にサイコパワーを注入する、エドはサイコパワーを射出する、ナイフ持ってるヤツはワープ出来る、といった特徴があります。なのでゴリラは賢さ担当です。) from Nakayama's twitter Fun thing when i seen concept where the gorilla had a little girl on his shoulder, i thought she was somehow "the brain" and eventually controlling him somehow But reality is, now with what we know it's more likely that he's the one teaching stuff to the lil girl lol (maybe she gave him the "father teacher" name?) -more random theory- Some post before i said i think it's possible Luke will face "possessed" Ed, as they seem pretty compatible/specular + even without be high tier canon wise Luke will fullfill his role of "hero" if punch-wakeup Ed, stopping Bison from return walk on earth. Could work as side-story while adults take care of the real BIG threat If that happen, was thinking we may have a group of 4 "new generation" good guys doing their side mission Menat could be a good help, like Rose is busy with main Boss stuff but sense Bison's energy and send Menat to help Luke & co We already seen Menat get interested/warning about Ed's future And if we think about it Menat and Falke can be perfect specular rivals... both charge objects of energy, former infuse her globe of Soul Power, latter her staff with Psycho Power If whole NS team will be in that may mean we need rivals for a Knives User who can teleport and a super intelligent gorilla Edited December 28, 2021 by CESTUS III Quote Link to comment
Shakunetsu Posted December 28, 2021 Share Posted December 28, 2021 (edited) On 12/26/2021 at 1:41 AM, PVL_93_RU said: Are they trying to fix the failure of Alex being the poster boy of SF3 by putting Luke into the spotlight? The kid is giving me sort of Sean vibes with how his animations display his lack of experience with martial arts I would rather liked if Ed, Sean or Alex as the next new SF protagonist because it's established and more grounded to the narrative already. I believe the whole thing about Luke's Father and accident would be RETCON in SF6 and be inserted with few new bits either an introduction to a whole NEW ViLLAINS or a connection to a established character that already exist in SF because Luke backstory motivation feels detached to SF. He has no strong conviction and his reason feels just bland reasons. It may fit for a generic character but not for a new protagonist to carry the whole franchise in a new direction. Even his backstory with Guile isnt that valuable it feels like Guile just being a colleague in the army rather than a strong significant person in life like Guile and Charlie or Tom and Alex. I thinks introducing Luke is more on just them doing their own version of their vision of SF since SF is under a new management. So its in a new creative direction and new vision. Like G and Necali was supposed to be a final boss but they abaddon the concept latter on. Edited December 28, 2021 by Shakunetsu Quote Link to comment
Shakunetsu Posted December 28, 2021 Share Posted December 28, 2021 15 hours ago, Chun-Li_Forever said: I wished that Luke's Story mode gave us more to it, like motivations or some groundwork to get excited for him as the next protag of the franchise. It needs improvement, I'm already expecting Retcon for a strong tie-in for his character. It can be used to introduced a whole new villain or to tie in either with other already familiar characters. I hope it would be tied with previous characters instead of another super secret organization. Quote Link to comment
mykka Posted December 29, 2021 Share Posted December 29, 2021 On 12/24/2021 at 11:47 PM, Miðgarðsorm said: They sold hard November, Jiǔ Yuè and Yáng Yuè as strong opponents, and yet you never fight them... It was such a wasted opportunity. However something tells me we'll see Noembelu again in the future. sKreetFighteZ, Shakunetsu and ShockDingo 3 Quote Link to comment
sKreetFighteZ Posted December 29, 2021 Share Posted December 29, 2021 4 hours ago, mykka said: It was such a wasted opportunity. However something tells me we'll see Noembelu again in the future. I mean you see Noembelu standing in front of Laura like they were bouta square up but they never did Quote Link to comment
Doctrine_Dark Posted December 29, 2021 Share Posted December 29, 2021 The best version of Ryu. Shakunetsu, Bigtochiro and sKreetFighteZ 2 1 Quote Link to comment
Darc_Requiem Posted December 29, 2021 Author Share Posted December 29, 2021 42 minutes ago, Doctrine_Dark said: The best version of Ryu. Sakura agrees... sKreetFighteZ, Phantom_Miria, Dracu and 3 others 2 4 Quote Link to comment
Shakunetsu Posted December 29, 2021 Share Posted December 29, 2021 10 hours ago, Doctrine_Dark said: best version of Ryu. My next favorite to SF2 Ryu!! And agree its the best version Quote Link to comment
CESTUS III Posted December 29, 2021 Share Posted December 29, 2021 16 hours ago, mykka said: It was such a wasted opportunity. However something tells me we'll see Noembelu again in the future. Well dolls got already more coverage than any other potential NPC Before see more dolls, i would have liked see some other characters fight as story-only opponents in ASF Abel, Azam, Max (Alex opponent in ASF), Shadaloo's robots etc, would have helped variety Quote Link to comment
mykka Posted December 29, 2021 Share Posted December 29, 2021 13 minutes ago, CESTUS III said: Well dolls got already more coverage than any other potential NPC Before see more dolls, i would have liked see some other characters fight as story-only opponents in ASF Abel, Azam, Max (Alex opponent in ASF), Shadaloo's robots etc, would have helped variety I'm not surprised cause they've always been an integral part to SF's lore and Bison, and ASF seemed to focus on finally taking down Bison. Azam definitely deserved a fight, but I guess they werent interested in giving a brand new NPC moves, unplayable dolls are easier to implement. They should've, however, is spread the battle towards all the dolls, and not make us fight Marz 3 times. In fact, if anything, she should've been the doll we didn't actually fight since it's clear that is not her duty in Shadaloo. DarthEnderX 1 Quote Link to comment
CESTUS III Posted December 29, 2021 Share Posted December 29, 2021 2 hours ago, mykka said: I'm not surprised cause they've always been an integral part to SF's lore and Bison, and ASF seemed to focus on finally taking down Bison. Azam definitely deserved a fight, but I guess they werent interested in giving a brand new NPC moves, unplayable dolls are easier to implement. They should've, however, is spread the battle towards all the dolls, and not make us fight Marz 3 times. In fact, if anything, she should've been the doll we didn't actually fight since it's clear that is not her duty in Shadaloo. More than new moves they could have given Azam some stuff from existing characters without care much about balancement... a couple of specials taken from Rashid (tornado projectile and spinning one) as he's his Master, then some normals from male cast and one throw (Guile's suplex would have been just fine) Could have been a nice fight for Cammy, since canon wise they fought Max could have been made of Balrog and Guile/others stuff with maybe one special recycled from somewhere, same throw as shadaloo goons Also we missed the legendary opportunity to get at some point a canon Zangief vs Mecha Zangief at Shadaloo base, there they would not even need add moves lol Wish they gave red hood shadaloo soldiers more specials to make them stand out next to lower goons, they looked cool Quote Link to comment
Shakunetsu Posted December 30, 2021 Share Posted December 30, 2021 7 hours ago, mykka said: Azam definitely deserved a fight, but I guess they werent interested in giving a brand new NPC moves, unplayable dolls are easier to implement. Azam in the cinematic mode all does is in the sideline and watch! I could only imagine him to finaly have a fight without Rashid in his side. BYRON is best guy and more interesting to be a playable character. He had potential because there is something to explore to him. Noembelu and twin dolls are wasted potential. Quote Link to comment
sKreetFighteZ Posted December 30, 2021 Share Posted December 30, 2021 All 3 of them had the potential to become something great in SF5, unfortunately Capcom didn't take the chance to show off what they could do in the story mode so their playstyles are left up to our imaginations 😪. However I do recall Takayuki Nakayama posting on his twitter regarding Azam's fighting style. From what i could get from these photos, it appears that Azam has similar moves to Zangief. It make sense given the fact that he used to be a pro wrestler similar to Zangief. Also, according to this post, it also appears that Noembelu may have a preference for fighting with both axes and sickles as weapons, so Noembelu has a nice amount of potential along with the twin sisters Xiayu and Jianyu, as Xiayu has her nunchakus and Jianyu has her bō staff. CESTUS III, DarthEnderX and ShockDingo 3 Quote Link to comment
Lord_Vega Posted December 30, 2021 Share Posted December 30, 2021 (edited) On 12/26/2021 at 3:07 AM, Lord_Vega said: STREET FIGHTER V CHAMPION EDITION STYLE GUIDE PART 1 STREET FIGHTER V CHAMPION EDITION STYLE GUIDE PART 2 Vega (M. Bison in the United States) "The leader of the secret criminal organization; Shadaloo. He uses Psycho Power and schemes on conquering the world. He increases Psycho Power with people’s fears, with Shadaloo’s plan to emerge as the one and only strong arm, but Bison’s true purpose is to only fight the strong. Bison’s own ambitions is to take over the mind and memories of a substitute body and continue to fight forever."1 "Head of the secret criminal organization Shadaloo. He uses Psycho Power, and plans to control the entire world. Shadaloo's plan is, through fear of people, to increase the strength of Psycho Power and obtain a unique power; but Vega's real goal is to find a really strong opponent. Transmitting his soul to a surrogate body and continuing to fight eternally is Vega's personal ambition."2 Spoiler Cammy "One of the strengthened soldiers Dolls who’ve undergone body modifications in Shadaloo. She was rescued by the British Special Unit Delta Red in a state of amnesia, but her true purpose was Shadaloo’s scheme to send in a spy into Delta Red. In order to protect her fellow Dolls who are brainwashed and used as murder weapons, she decides to abandon her position and friends." Spoiler Birdie "A former member of Shadaloo’s organization with a rude and rough personality. Though he has the abilities as a fighter, he’s easily enticed by his own immediate desires and doesn’t reflect on his actions. After escaping from Shadaloo, he is picked up by Karin, the head of the Kanzuki Zaibatsu and serves as a guest. His body is out of shape due to living a lazy life, however his strong obsession with hairstyles remain the same as before." Spoiler Ken "Ryu’s best friend and greatest rival. Although he stands on top as being stamped as America’s biggest conglomerate, his bright personality is alive and well. He became even more stronger by gaining family bonds that supports him. As Ryu strengthens the Hadoken and improves the accuracy towards the blow, Ken refines his Shoryuken and increases the density of the consecutive attacks." Spoiler Necalli "An ancient warrior who appears in a place of a strong fighting spirit and begins rampaging over the soul of a strong man. During a time of conflict that comes once every several hundred years, the “Surge of Murderous Intent” materializes “Necalli” in the form of a human being who appears all over the world. He has no sense of rationality and his words are uncertain, and he makes noises such as “Devourrrrr” and “Getepe”. Miasma pollutes the minds of those who come in contact with the unfolding, and those who are polluted will act violently similarly to Necalli." Spoiler Balrog (Vega in the United States) "One of Shadaloo’s Four Heavenly Kings, who fights using a claw to cut through his opponents. He wears a mask in order to prevent exposure to the filthy blood of losers. He is a narcissist who believes “beauty” is the best, and despises ugly things and sets out to eliminate them. Although he’s an executive of Shadaloo, he has little loyalty to Bison and is always in never-ending conflict amongst the other Four Heavenly Kings." Spoiler Rainbow Mika "Her real name is Mika Nanakawa. Born in Kansai, she teams up with Yamato Nadeshiko, the expected ace of Iwashigahama Japan Women’s Pro-Wrestling as her tag partner to charm and excite the audience about professional wrestling. She has a strong sense of justice and hates those who are twisted, and talks with “ssu” attached to the end. She admires the legendary “Red Cyclone” Zangief and aspires to become a professional wrestler." Spoiler 1: Translation provided by @sKreetFighteZ 2: Translation provided by Lord Vega Edited February 20, 2022 by Lord_Vega Hawkingbird, ShockDingo, Darc_Requiem and 4 others 7 Quote Link to comment
sKreetFighteZ Posted December 30, 2021 Share Posted December 30, 2021 46 minutes ago, Lord_Vega said: STREET FIGHTER V CHAMPION EDITION STYLE GUIDE PART 2 And to think i was just about to post Ryu's translations from this guide lol 😭, you came in just at the right time 😁 . Quote Link to comment
sKreetFighteZ Posted December 30, 2021 Share Posted December 30, 2021 After receiving what could possibly be the most greatest christmas gift ever awhile ago by @Lord_Vega here's Ryu's bio from the SF5CE Guide. 真の強さを求め修行を続ける格闘家 。礼儀正しく誠実な性格で 、 自分より強い相手と闘うために世界を旅する 。己の中に生まれたもう一つの存在 、「 殺意 の 波動 」と闘い続け 、その力をコントロールするために日々精進を重ねている 。 A martial artist who continues his training in search of true strength. He is truly sincere in manner and personality, and travels the world seeking to fight against stronger opponents than himself. He continues to fight against the “Surge of Murderous Intent”, another entity that been born within himself. It's a little late as he came in with more new stuff for me to look at, however please enjoy and feel free to revise it if any mistakes should be seen. Quote Link to comment
Darc_Requiem Posted December 30, 2021 Author Share Posted December 30, 2021 @Lord_VegaI see you provided @Daemoswith a belated Christmas gift 😉 Daemos and Lord_Vega 1 1 Quote Link to comment
CESTUS III Posted December 30, 2021 Share Posted December 30, 2021 11 hours ago, sKreetFighteZ said: All 3 of them had the potential to become something great in SF5, unfortunately Capcom didn't take the chance to show off what they could do in the story mode so their playstyles are left up to our imaginations 😪. However I do recall Takayuki Nakayama posting on his twitter regarding Azam's fighting style. From what i could get from these photos, it appears that Azam has similar moves to Zangief. It make sense given the fact that he used to be a pro wrestler similar to Zangief. That's pretty cool, i ever LOVE read info about fighters that are part of SF Universe outside playable cast, make the world feel bigger and not limited to same few characters spammed over and over Strange see it's supposed to be some sort of mini-zangief (he's much lighter built), considering he's Rashid's master ever thought about a more acrobatic big dude style, more like T.Hawk 12 hours ago, sKreetFighteZ said: Also, according to this post, it also appears that Noembelu may have a preference for fighting with both axes and sickles as weapons, so Noembelu has a nice amount of potential along with the twin sisters Xiayu and Jianyu, as Xiayu has her nunchakus and Jianyu has her bō staff. She's ever been my favourite of the dolls (wich tbh i never liked much as group), specially now that T.Hawk seems ever more destined to not be in playable cast she may be SF next native american rep She also seems quite powerful for how she quickly handled Birdie even if by cheap shot... sure, SFV Birdie is weak (of the cast guess canon wise only Dan is worse) but still he defeated other weaker dolls like Aprile and Fevrier Gave the impression she's the toughest of the dolls (maybe not counting Decapre) sKreetFighteZ 1 Quote Link to comment
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