Scotia Posted August 4, 2021 Share Posted August 4, 2021 Excited to see some connections to SF6 but they literally just went "How about we do Alex again but in a game that won't kill the franchise for ten years?" My boy's never getting that spotlight again. Hawkingbird 1 Quote Link to comment
Shakunetsu Posted August 4, 2021 Share Posted August 4, 2021 Just now, N-Tactix said: In that case he got ugly as fuck considering he has cheese strings dangling out of his hair. Gunloc alternate name Lucky Colt Quote Link to comment
YagamiFire Posted August 4, 2021 Share Posted August 4, 2021 (edited) ...I can't say this isn't a surprising reveal... But...uh...this design is pretty generic AF Also are they just leaning into the meme? Even as a blond guy, don't we have enough blond guys in the game already? Why not someone with like bright red hair (Iori style) or even auburn or something? Edited August 4, 2021 by YagamiFire Dracu 1 Quote Link to comment
DarthEnderX Posted August 4, 2021 Share Posted August 4, 2021 Looks pretty fun, but I wish this had been a redesign of SF1 Joe instead of a new character. At least it wasn't a guest. Dracu, BootyWarrior and Shakunetsu 3 Quote Link to comment
Phantom_Miria Posted August 4, 2021 Share Posted August 4, 2021 Sad day when you gotta hope that Maximilian Dood got his crazy lore theory right because it'd be a more interesting outcome than Luke being just Luke. Miðgarðsorm and Darc_Requiem 1 1 Quote Link to comment
N-Tactix Posted August 4, 2021 Share Posted August 4, 2021 Just now, Phantom_Miria said: Sad day when you gotta hope that Maximilian Dood got his crazy lore theory right because it'd be a more interesting outcome than Luke being just Luke. Honestly, that's an insult to CapCom @YagamiFireI remember in SRK when you said something along the lines of the last character being akin to introducing "Ash Crimson before the Ash arc" Quote Link to comment
YagamiFire Posted August 4, 2021 Share Posted August 4, 2021 10 minutes ago, N-Tactix said: Honestly, that's an insult to CapCom @YagamiFireI remember in SRK when you said something along the lines of the last character being akin to introducing "Ash Crimson before the Ash arc" Yeah I don't mind at all if they are introducing the next game's 'viewpoint' character or whatever as the last character of releases for SF5. In fact, I think it's a halfway decent idea... ...and for Luke I like his fighting style from what I've seen so far. Going MMA is not a bad idea at all and he looks pretty neat. I will ABSOLUTELY try him out on release (which as per Capcom usual is WAY too long of a schedule...) but his design is just...very uninteresting. A blond guy in shorts with a prominent body tattoo that has light punch-gloves and uses a hybrid fighting style? Yeah his name is ED and we JUST GOT HIM. The design seems VERY derivative and even redundant in a lot of ways. I don't hate it by any stretch but it feels like a background character or like a Fighting Layer character...not an SF character. He's missing design elements. Like, for one, his tattoo should be WAY more prominent with darker colors and stronger lines to make it part of his at-a-glance look...instead it feels like just something thrown on. I dunno not feeling it but maybe his alt costumes will be better ShockDingo and Dracu 1 1 Quote Link to comment
Scotia Posted August 4, 2021 Share Posted August 4, 2021 (edited) I'm not terribly excited for the guy but I at least want to give him a chance before I shit all over him. Can't really do that based off a minute trailer where he just beats up Ryu. Edited August 4, 2021 by Scotia DarthEnderX 1 Quote Link to comment
ShockDingo Posted August 4, 2021 Share Posted August 4, 2021 (edited) 1 hour ago, Hawkingbird said: Max seems to think he's Captain Commando's civilian identity. People are determined to make him a pre-existing character. Captain Commando is Mars Carlyle though...I'm wondering what his deal is gonna be. I hope he doesn't steal Alex's spotlight, buuuuut....I fear it already lol Edited August 4, 2021 by ShockDingo Quote Link to comment
YagamiFire Posted August 4, 2021 Share Posted August 4, 2021 Yeah I want to say I do not HATE him. At all. His gameplay looks FUN and that counts for a lot. Is his design perfect? No...but I think this is also basically a prototype. I think we'll see a lot of refinement of this look Quote Link to comment
Shakunetsu Posted August 4, 2021 Share Posted August 4, 2021 1 hour ago, Phantom_Miria said: Max just really wants a new Mahvel and a crossover with SNK, but everything about the crossover unlikely as of now. Luke closest even in Lucky Colt /Gunloc in terms of moveset I won't be surprised that he would end up as something RELATED to GUILE? Darc_Requiem, ShockDingo and BootyWarrior 1 2 Quote Link to comment
YagamiFire Posted August 4, 2021 Share Posted August 4, 2021 Yeah the Lucky Colt/Gunloc stuff is VERY interesting As is the American flag tattoo motif AND the dog tags Has anyone suggested that this 'peak at the future of Street Fighter' might be LITERAL? Luke might not be a contemporary of the characters/story of SF5. He might be a LITERAL vision of the future. Taking that possibility into consideration really changes options for Luke. If SF6 involves any kind of time skip for instance it could really change the options for Luke's relation to other preexisting characters Shakunetsu 1 Quote Link to comment
BornWinner Posted August 4, 2021 Share Posted August 4, 2021 4 minutes ago, YagamiFire said: Has anyone suggested that this 'peak at the future of Street Fighter' might be LITERAL? That’s exactly how I took it when I saw them say it. I imagined it might have been someone’s son and SF6 is going to have a timeskip. I first thought Ken, but then I remember his son’s name is Mel. Then I thought he could be related to Guile because of the dogtags but I think he only has a daughter. Maybe he’s related to Charlie and trying to live up to his legend after his sudden death in Alpha 2? I don’t know, he could be Rufus’s son for all we know. Shakunetsu 1 Quote Link to comment
YagamiFire Posted August 4, 2021 Share Posted August 4, 2021 The hair very much reminded me of Charlie (but in reverse) The punches he's throwing also seem 'super sonic' and delivering high-pressure impacts...which is in keeping with Guile & Charlie's fighting style Shakunetsu 1 Quote Link to comment
Shakunetsu Posted August 4, 2021 Share Posted August 4, 2021 (edited) Others pointed him out that he could be related to Joe because of the STAR? Joe is a kickboxer, and known especially for his magnificent Savate. Although he was undefeated in American kickboxing, he later ran into money problems and turned to violent crime to fix them. Currently he fights in tournaments under the moniker "Superstar". He likes to collect star-shaped promo items, and believes that hard work (and a Rolling Sobat) is the key to becoming a true super star! https://game.capcom.com/cfn/sfv/column-112444?lang=en Edited August 4, 2021 by Shakunetsu Darc_Requiem 1 Quote Link to comment
Lord_Vega Posted August 4, 2021 Share Posted August 4, 2021 9 minutes ago, Shakunetsu said: Others pointed him out that he could be related to Joe? Yeah. I thought about that. Specially that, in Joe's CRI profile, mentions that he likes star-shaped objects. And Luke got stars tattooed on his shoulder and forearms. Shakunetsu and ShockDingo 2 Quote Link to comment
Shakunetsu Posted August 4, 2021 Share Posted August 4, 2021 Just now, Lord_Vega said: Yeah. I thought about that. Specially that, in Joe's CRI profile, mentions that he likes star-shaped objects. And Luke got stars tattooed on his shoulder and forearms. They even posted this Quote Link to comment
Lord_Vega Posted August 4, 2021 Share Posted August 4, 2021 18 minutes ago, Shakunetsu said: They even posted this He got braces on his teeth. Cool! Well, maybe "that man" he mentions during his intro... could it be Joe? ShockDingo, Darc_Requiem, Shakunetsu and 1 other 2 2 Quote Link to comment
YagamiFire Posted August 4, 2021 Share Posted August 4, 2021 (edited) 6 minutes ago, Lord_Vega said: He got braces on his teeth. Cool! Well, maybe "that man" he mentions during his intro... could it be Joe? Might be a clear mouthguard? EDIT: Oh. Nope. On closer inspection I agree it looks like braces. Okay so is it spooky that I mentioned Ash Crimson-type as #5 character and both Ash and Luke have braces? 😆 Edited August 4, 2021 by YagamiFire Quote Link to comment
ShockDingo Posted August 4, 2021 Share Posted August 4, 2021 Oh man I hope SF6 isn't a time skip. I...I just want SF3 resolved and then us having fun with a new bunch of arcs immediately right after. Darc_Requiem, Phantom_Miria, Shakunetsu and 2 others 5 Quote Link to comment
DarthEnderX Posted August 4, 2021 Share Posted August 4, 2021 (edited) Why not just MAKE HIM JOE! That's TWICE now what should have been a Joe revamp went to another character! How am I ever gonna get "EVERYONE IS HERE" if they keep doing this?! 6 hours ago, YagamiFire said: The hair very much reminded me of Charlie (but in reverse) His hair actually reminds me of Dean from FF3. Edited August 4, 2021 by DarthEnderX Shakunetsu, Darc_Requiem and Dracu 1 2 Quote Link to comment
Shakunetsu Posted August 4, 2021 Share Posted August 4, 2021 (edited) 5 minutes ago, DarthEnderX said: Why not just MAKE HIM JOE! That's TWICE now what should have been a Joe revamp went to another character! They probably want a more flexible state that would had less interaction with other characters Edited August 4, 2021 by Shakunetsu Quote Link to comment
Shakunetsu Posted August 4, 2021 Share Posted August 4, 2021 Someone in YT pointed this out Then I remember, Capcom really like a move that is named SONIC FIST? Quote Link to comment
Dracu Posted August 4, 2021 Share Posted August 4, 2021 Luke is Joe. Unless his story is some future bullshit, like you guys are speculating, you can't change my mind. THANK GOD IT'S NOT A FUCKING GUEST! BootyWarrior, Darc_Requiem and DarthEnderX 3 Quote Link to comment
Shakunetsu Posted August 4, 2021 Share Posted August 4, 2021 Just now, Dracu said: THANK GOD IT'S NOT A FUCKING GUEST! lol Quote Link to comment
DarthEnderX Posted August 4, 2021 Share Posted August 4, 2021 4 hours ago, Shakunetsu said: They probably want a more flexible state that would had less interaction with other characters That's stupid! Dracu 1 Quote Link to comment
Shakunetsu Posted August 4, 2021 Share Posted August 4, 2021 (edited) it less work for them lol I had a feeling that SF6 would be another huge timeskip and like Garou with more into martial artist fighters around the globe fighting mix with pseudo guest characters and tons of fan favorite females Edited August 4, 2021 by Shakunetsu Quote Link to comment
BootyWarrior Posted August 4, 2021 Share Posted August 4, 2021 (edited) It's very unlikely they'll do a big time-skip after SFIII. Gotta keep the girls young and attractive to sell swimsuit costumes. Alex will suffer a worse fate than K' after they introduced Ash Crimson. The climax of Alex's career is beating Gill who was obviously holding back like he did vs Urien, Ibuki & Dudley. Then getting perfected by Ryu in an alleyway. The way people hating on Luke is similar to the hate Ash and the SFIII cast got when they were shown. Edited August 4, 2021 by BootyWarrior Shakunetsu 1 Quote Link to comment
Miðgarðsorm Posted August 4, 2021 Share Posted August 4, 2021 9 hours ago, N-Tactix said: He has the same voice actor So what? He's still not Kyo, thank goodness. Anyway, SFV ends opening a whole array of new mysteries and LEAVING open ALL of them; classic Capcom. Who or what is G? They had to use ROSE, who wasn't even scheduled until the last season, just to reveal he's indeed SFV's last boss; too bad he... hasn't done ANYTHING actually bad apart from... I don't know, ominously hinting we're all gonna die? Come on! What is Neo Shadaloo up to? They seemed willing to kidnap Ryu for who knows what purpose, judging by the CapcomCup 2017 trailer. Is Mad Gear really plotting something? All forgotten and swept under the rug like the big role NECALLI seemed being destined to play in the very first SFV trailer. Tons of big ideas and still nothing actually moves forward, that's the impression SFV leaves on me. ShockDingo, N-Tactix, Shakunetsu and 4 others 7 Quote Link to comment
Shakunetsu Posted August 4, 2021 Share Posted August 4, 2021 12 minutes ago, BootyWarrior said: Gotta keep the girls young and attractive to sell swimsuit costumes. I forgot to consider this one, Looks like Capcom knows costumes is more profitable than aiming for the retail. So more sexy costumes and crossover costumes. They probably even sold well than nostalgia one. Quote Link to comment
Hawkingbird Posted August 4, 2021 Share Posted August 4, 2021 8 hours ago, Shakunetsu said: Others pointed him out that he could be related to Joe because of the STAR? I don't think Capcom's devs give a shit about SFV profile. If it showed up there first it has never aligned with what appears in the game. Shakunetsu 1 Quote Link to comment
N-Tactix Posted August 4, 2021 Share Posted August 4, 2021 12 hours ago, YagamiFire said: Ash and Luke have braces? Does he? I know he has nail varnish and freckles. Might need to catch up on XI today. 5 hours ago, BootyWarrior said: The way people hating on Luke is similar to the hate Ash and the SFIII cast got when they were shown. After first impressions have settled down, I don't think he's the absolute WORST choice they decided on but I do hope they refine him his design and presence in later games so that he isn't a waste. Quote Link to comment
Scotia Posted August 4, 2021 Share Posted August 4, 2021 I would love to get a behind the scenes look at the writing for this game because it feels like every season they changed their minds as to where they actually wanted things to go. Season 1: We're showing how Bison died while slowly leading into SF3 Season 2: Ed worries about Bison possessing him while leading his own band of Shadaloo rogues Season 3: G is some weird dude that's alluding to the apocalypse but he also might be Q? Season 4: Gill is starting to make his move but is also weirded out by G Season 5: Rose wants to reset the timeline to stop G. And whatever Luke's deal is I guess They at least decided on G eventually but even then they did NOTHING to actually show or explain who/what G is and why we should even give a shit about him, so I consider it a dropped ball in that regard. I don't even know what Ed's deal is now, dude somehow got a worse deal than Alex and got replaced in his own game. They seriously need better writers for SF6. DarthEnderX, Miðgarðsorm and mykka 3 Quote Link to comment
-PVL93- Posted August 4, 2021 Share Posted August 4, 2021 bruh they better not shaft my boy Alex out of the protagonist role with that quote about Luke having a prominent role in the story going forward, and having a bright future in the series as a whole inb4 Capcom still pusses out and just *slightly* moves the timeline forward from V to 6 instead of going a full on 3 retelling/remake Hawkingbird, Darc_Requiem and ShockDingo 3 Quote Link to comment
ShockDingo Posted August 4, 2021 Share Posted August 4, 2021 (edited) 1 hour ago, Scotia said: I would love to get a behind the scenes look at the writing for this game because it feels like every season they changed their minds as to where they actually wanted things to go. Same, that's part of the big confusion I've had for a few years. I can understand things change, but it looks like they were scrambling to fix something multiple times. With how close in canon SF3 is and how so many new plot points popped up, it's jarring that nothing's answered as Midgarsorm mentioned. As you pointed out, Scotia, they appeared to be moving towards something each season but then spun around. With how Necalli was ultimately nothing major and how G is tied to Rose's worst fears, they've got something super important brewing (even the interview with Nakayama said the team is excited at seeing how people are trying to tie G, Q, and the G project together), but just as G is getting started with a fancy space station, boss-worthy stage filled with fans and minions, and Rose confirming that he's not what he appears to be and is the end of all things, we're hitting the end of the game and the final character seems to be pointing to SF6's future. It's frustrating. I wonder how much of the story focus' shifting was due to the alleged drama behind the scenes? I do hope that things are smoothed out lore wise for SF6 now that it seems the current team's synergy is better. Edit: Also, with Alex, he BETTER not be shafted. That would suck. I just hope that Luke being a "key player" means he's part of the protag posse but not shoving Alex out of the way. If Alex is large and incharge and Luke joins on his quest along the way, I'd be fine with that. Edited August 4, 2021 by ShockDingo Dracu, Tatsuroko, Scotia and 6 others 9 Quote Link to comment
Shakunetsu Posted August 4, 2021 Share Posted August 4, 2021 (edited) And also, It looks like EDs fate is decided also either killed or forgotten in the limbo. ED was force to a "role" that they even make him grow instantly as an adult for unexplained reasons. The problem is that they put it on the last spot which is the most anticipated spot while there are misleading rumors expecting the future of crossover titles which led to hyping about crossover characters. From Demitri, Kyo, Kazuya and Rook. which cause a really negative impression that gave many pressure on the character anticipation being so wildest ever than before. I get the thing about Capcom vs SNK anniversary and Kyo's the same voice actor, but the whole Rook's birthday and the release date being similar doesn't make sense to link the two, It's too far fetch. And then there's also memes linking his character design that might inspired by Logan Paul, which is unlikely because the match was not something like last year it just so recent it's just a terrible coincident. It's the timing that went wrong. So they are force probably revealed it now than later. Then lastly the whole blonde again thing probably isn't something that Capcom is giving a notice or something that they think wouldn't affect their last character because they aren't really aware of but maybe next time they will monitor the count. Edited August 4, 2021 by Shakunetsu Quote Link to comment
N-Tactix Posted August 4, 2021 Share Posted August 4, 2021 5 hours ago, Scotia said: I would love to get a behind the scenes look at the writing for this game because it feels like every season they changed their minds as to where they actually wanted things to go. Looking at the credits, people exclusively from DIMPS are credited for the story. It makes me wonder if the DIMPS team just tried to go off what Capcom told them, it would explain how wildly inconsistent the stories can get in quality and tone. It's kind of sad because SFV was supposed to be the game that bridged the gap between the rest of the series and 3 only for it to suddenly go in all sorts of directions after ASF yet with so many loose threads left hanging. Story-wise, Capcom need to really commit to trying to tell their stories all the way through next time round and I doubt they will do that well because of all these different elements thrown in. Quote Link to comment
Shakunetsu Posted August 4, 2021 Share Posted August 4, 2021 Just now, N-Tactix said: Looking at the credits, people exclusively from DIMPS are credited for the story. It makes me wonder if the DIMPS team just tried to go off what Capcom told them, it would explain how wildly inconsistent the stories can get in quality and tone. Capcom throughout the SFV lifecycle had many shuffling and shake up in roles. Maybe even DIMPS regardless who their higher ups is. So they(who is currently in-charge) likely to see the story as something a limitation to develop their games. Unlike DBFZ that already been based in a separate media. The first half of SFV is probably led in a different way along with different priorities. The data from the character popularity and player usage also reveals what they should aim for and what they(who is currently in-charge) shouldn't do. So previous plans and priorities had likely to shifted along with the deciding fate of the future of the characters for SF. Quote Link to comment
Hawkingbird Posted August 4, 2021 Share Posted August 4, 2021 35 minutes ago, N-Tactix said: Looking at the credits, people exclusively from DIMPS are credited for the story. It makes me wonder if the DIMPS team just tried to go off what Capcom told them, it would explain how wildly inconsistent the stories can get in quality and tone. It's kind of sad because SFV was supposed to be the game that bridged the gap between the rest of the series and 3 only for it to suddenly go in all sorts of directions after ASF yet with so many loose threads left hanging. Story-wise, Capcom need to really commit to trying to tell their stories all the way through next time round and I doubt they will do that well because of all these different elements thrown in. Capcom should have continued the story of SFV by other means. Even if they didn't want to expand on the story mode like Xrd and MK11 did they continue have used arcade mode to push things forward instead of wasting art assists redoing past things. Quote Link to comment
BootyWarrior Posted August 4, 2021 Share Posted August 4, 2021 There's only so many ways you can throw a fireball. Akatsuki throws his fireballs similar to Gill/Urien but i wouldn't call that a rip off or paying homage to them. DarthEnderX, Scotia, Shakunetsu and 1 other 4 Quote Link to comment
YagamiFire Posted August 5, 2021 Share Posted August 5, 2021 13 hours ago, BootyWarrior said: There's only so many ways you can throw a fireball. Akatsuki throws his fireballs similar to Gill/Urien but i wouldn't call that a rip off or paying homage to them. Yeah and one thing I'll point out is that John is throwing straight punches for his... Luke, however? His attacks are more like hooks... ...but more importantly they're more like the motions Guile uses to throw Sonic Booms but with only one hand to throw the attack 🤔 Shakunetsu 1 Quote Link to comment
YagamiFire Posted August 6, 2021 Share Posted August 6, 2021 (edited) Didn't know if anyone ever posted this but... Charlie cameo in Megaman Megamix Edited August 6, 2021 by YagamiFire Hawkingbird, Shakunetsu and Doctrine_Dark 2 1 Quote Link to comment
Chun-Li_Forever Posted August 6, 2021 Share Posted August 6, 2021 (edited) Kind of a grim look for future "story modes" in the video with the way Sugar Punch talks about how Luke's inclusion might affect Street Fighter in the future. Edited August 6, 2021 by Chun-Li_Forever Quote Link to comment
Phantom_Miria Posted August 6, 2021 Share Posted August 6, 2021 1 hour ago, Chun-Li_Forever said: Kind of a grim look for future "story modes" in the video with the way Sugar Punch talks about how Luke's inclusion might affect Street Fighter in the future. I think people may be reading too much into whatever Capcom meant with Luke and "a look into the future of Street Fighter", especially until he's actually getting released and we can check him and his story properly. If anything Luke looks like a super SFV character, with the "V" thing on his chest and back that's kinda like Necalli with V-Trigger on. I hope they don't do the timeskip thing because fighting games, and especially a legacy one like Street Fighter, relies a lot on established characters and their designs. SFIII was a huge risk back in the day and making a Street Fighter game with barely any of the legacy Street Fighter characters nowadays would be complete suicide. People want their old characters back, and they preferably want them looking and playing the same or similarly. Good luck selling a game where only Ryu and Chun are the legacy characters and their designs have been aged up. Chun-Li_Forever, Darc_Requiem, ShockDingo and 1 other 4 Quote Link to comment
Hawkingbird Posted August 6, 2021 Share Posted August 6, 2021 12 hours ago, YagamiFire said: Charlie cameo in Megaman Megamix Cameo from Denise from the Tron Bonne game as the weather girl. YagamiFire and Shakunetsu 2 Quote Link to comment
Darc_Requiem Posted August 6, 2021 Author Share Posted August 6, 2021 I just want to give @Shakunetsuprops for being the MVP this past week. I appreciate all your insight. You made Luke more interesting than Capcom. Bigtochiro, Hawkingbird, Chun-Li_Forever and 3 others 6 Quote Link to comment
Shakunetsu Posted August 7, 2021 Share Posted August 7, 2021 (edited) The guy also seems like J.Mccoy in Kaiser Knuckle there are also some parallel with Luke that was already mentioned online by others Like Lud in RumbleFish 13 hours ago, Chun-Li_Forever said: Kind of a grim look for future "story modes" in the video with the way Sugar Punch talks about how Luke's inclusion might affect Street Fighter in the future. I don't really take that guy impression of the story other than animation talks. And SF cannot really go on full on Strive character design like his standard because SF is more grounded like Tekken. Tekken is the closest they can do along with KOF. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Like some mentioned earlier it's like Capcom direction is where they can sell costumes and where they can squeeze more out than the retail purchase and characters. So well received characters(not nostalgia) will always return, more females and more pseudo guest characters for the costumes. Capcom already gauge which character had huge following and has an effective reception to the public. Luke is more of an artistic expression or preference of someone in Capcom, like the common design of Capcom protagonist in prior games even before SF, from unknown soldier, captain commando, kevin strayker and etc. Some has similar named attack like SONIC FIST. So whoever in-charge that kind of stylistic choice for a character with show up. They even put a CPS logo in their. Same thing with other designers that left Capcom they tried to import their artistic expression and preference without to a newer character. The thing is whoever in-charge with SF NOW in Capcom and has a strong opinion and voice in their internal, he really needs to balance his preference to the character demands. 12 hours ago, Phantom_Miria said: I hope they don't do the timeskip thing because fighting games, and especially a legacy one like Street Fighter, relies a lot on established characters and their designs. SFIII was a huge risk back in the day and making a Street Fighter game with barely any of the legacy Street Fighter characters nowadays would be complete suicide. People want their old characters back, and they preferably want them looking and playing the same or similarly. Good luck selling a game where only Ryu and Chun are the legacy characters and their designs have been aged up. There are some wanted radical change for the sake of it or even wanted things to be like something else. Hopefully SF won't lose it's identity. Edited August 7, 2021 by Shakunetsu Chun-Li_Forever 1 Quote Link to comment
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