Hecatom Posted February 15, 2022 Share Posted February 15, 2022 49 minutes ago, RSG3 said: So I actually think the ST has the best saber fights in the movies. The OTs are too wooden and stiff to actually be super hype and the PTs are so choreographed they look it. The ST looks like real fights. Real struggles and hits that look hard. The lightsaber fights are one of the STs stronger points imo. I heavily disagree, the DT has the worst saber fights, they look like kids flailing sticks rather than capable warriors, which makes sense for Finn and Rey since they are noobs, but Kylo should have been a beast with how to combine the force and the sword skills in a fight. Instead what we got was choreographies ridden with glaring errors that pull you out immediately of the scenes since you are reminded that they are actors with little training failing at their ques and the stuntman are forced to try to salvage the scene by continuing what they were supposed to do. Not only that, they barely use the force while fighting, which makes them look even worse. The PT have the better sow3rdplay bar none, since they actually put the effort into making you believe that those are powerful people using super natural powers to enhance their combat ability, that they are not bound to the same rules as mere mortals. Quote Link to comment
RSG3 Posted February 15, 2022 Share Posted February 15, 2022 (edited) 16 minutes ago, Hecatom said: The PT have the better sow3rdplay bar none, since they actually put the effort into making you believe that those are powerful people using super natural powers to enhance their combat ability, that they are not bound to the same rules as mere mortals. They look like band leaders twirling batons. They do so much needless crap in those it looks goofy as hell. Edited February 15, 2022 by RSG3 Quote Link to comment
Darc_Requiem Posted February 15, 2022 Author Share Posted February 15, 2022 The best lightsaber fights Iive seen, in live action, are from fan films. The prequel trilogy was hit and miss. The OT was a product of the time. The sequel trilogy was also hit and miss. With Rey and Kylo fight against Snoke's guards being the worse fight in all 9 movies IMO. Fan films, good ones at least, give you stuff like this. RSG3 1 Quote Link to comment
OPTIMUS124 Posted February 15, 2022 Share Posted February 15, 2022 54 minutes ago, RSG3 said: They look like band leaders twirling batons. They do so much needless crap in those it looks goofy as hell. The moment at 3:22 is exactly what you mean 🤣. Hecatom, RSG3 and Chadouken 3 Quote Link to comment
RSG3 Posted February 15, 2022 Share Posted February 15, 2022 (edited) 12 minutes ago, OPTIMUS124 said: The moment at 3:22 is exactly what you mean 🤣. And almost every other moment they point out. I can suspend disbelief for some goofy shit like surviving a 50 foot fall but why is Obi-Wan exposing his back in close quarters? That's not hype. Also never seen that vid before, that was fucking hilarious. Edited February 15, 2022 by RSG3 OPTIMUS124 1 Quote Link to comment
Hecatom Posted February 15, 2022 Share Posted February 15, 2022 1 hour ago, RSG3 said: They look like band leaders twirling batons. They do so much needless crap in those it looks goofy as hell. Lol, i know that is hyperbole due to that one scene, but tbh, dunno how can you see a well choreographed scene like Anakin vs Obi Wan which is easily the best sword fight scene in live action minus that scene, and think that is inferior to the garbage that the DT passed as fights, 🤣 Quote Link to comment
RSG3 Posted February 15, 2022 Share Posted February 15, 2022 (edited) 6 minutes ago, Hecatom said: Lol, i know that is hyperbole due to that one scene, but tbh, dunno how can you see a well choreographed scene like Anakin vs Obi Wan which is easily the best sword fight scene in live action minus that scene, and think that is inferior to the garbage that the DT passed as fights, 🤣 No it's not just that scene. It's every fight in the PT they do silly pointless little saber twirls and baton spins and back spins and shit at dumb times. In Phantom Menace Darth Maul does an Arial for no fucking reason. He just does one. That scene in ROTS is just the absolute worst example of it so it's easy to point to but they do it all the time in the PT. It's not the best scene in live action. It should be but it's not. That's still Vader Vs Luke the ROTJ Runback. That fights a good fucking fight John Williams did sooo much heavy lifting in the PT. Edited February 15, 2022 by RSG3 OPTIMUS124 1 Quote Link to comment
Hecatom Posted February 15, 2022 Share Posted February 15, 2022 (edited) This is one of those things that we will have to agree to disagree. I can get you, sort of, since they are small stuff that i know is added for "rule of cool", but for me is very minor. Unlike the amateurish underwhelming shit that the DT has that for me has the same effect that these stuff that the PT does for you. Doubt you will watch those since they are on the long side, but Shadiversity sums up most of my grievance with the DT fights Edited February 16, 2022 by Hecatom Quote Link to comment
Chadouken Posted February 15, 2022 Share Posted February 15, 2022 The end of ESB is my favorite lightsaber battle. I like the Force Awakens one, too, because of the lighting effects in the snow. RSG3 and Wellman 2 Quote Link to comment
RSG3 Posted February 15, 2022 Share Posted February 15, 2022 4 minutes ago, Hecatom said: This is one of those things that we will have to agree to disagree. I can get you, sort of, since they are small stuff that i know is added for "rule of cool", but for me is very minor. Unlike the amateurish underwhelming shit that the DT has that for me has the same effect that these stuff that the PT does for you. Doubt you will watch those since they are on the long side, but Shadiversity sums up most of my grievance with the DT fights Ill try to watch them at some point but yea those are pretty long so no promises. And I'm not saying the ST movies have the best fights of all time or anything. They deffinitly have their flaws but when I watch them I feel like someone's actually in danger. Hecatom 1 Quote Link to comment
OPTIMUS124 Posted February 15, 2022 Share Posted February 15, 2022 1 hour ago, RSG3 said: It's not the best scene in live action. It should be but it's not. That's still Vader Vs Luke the ROTJ Runback. That fights a good fucking fight This is my favorite moment in all of Star Wars. RSG3 and Chadouken 2 Quote Link to comment
iStu X Posted February 15, 2022 Share Posted February 15, 2022 (edited) I know it’s almost entirely CGI but my favorite fight is Dooku vs. Yoda. Especially once you get the context of Yoda is the reason Dooku turned to the dark side. But the main thing I loved was we finally got to see one of the strongest Jedi‘s if not the strongest Jedi ever known finally showing why he’s regarded as such. as soon as he pulled back his cloak and force grabbed his lightsaber man. Fucking chills. Edited February 16, 2022 by iStu X RSG3, Hecatom and TheInfernoman 3 Quote Link to comment
OPTIMUS124 Posted February 16, 2022 Share Posted February 16, 2022 1 hour ago, RSG3 said: Ill try to watch them at some point but yea those are pretty long so no promises. I love fans being passionate, but you can only bitch about something for so long. Full Fat did a much better commentary on some of the duels in the saga. It's ironic because a channel called "Full Fat" did so much more with less. Here's a couple examples: Admittingly, they don't really cover the ST as there really isn't a whole lot to say. Quote Link to comment
Hecatom Posted February 16, 2022 Share Posted February 16, 2022 (edited) 43 minutes ago, OPTIMUS124 said: I love fans being passionate, but you can only bitch about something for so long. He is not bitching though. He is analyzing and explaining the fights in the perspective of someone who practice swordfight. Is an indepth analysis, scene by scene, explaining the details behind the action. Is not even from a perspective of a fan (not that he dislikes SW), but someone that give a complete breakdown of what works and what doesn't, giving examples, etc. BTW, I used to practice swordplay in my youth (huge fan of Highlander both movies and series, which motivated me to go and learn actual swordplay), which is why, his opinion mirrors more or less mine 😅 Edited February 16, 2022 by Hecatom Darc_Requiem 1 Quote Link to comment
OPTIMUS124 Posted February 16, 2022 Share Posted February 16, 2022 4 minutes ago, Hecatom said: He is not bitching though. He is analyzing and explaining the fights in the perspective of someone who practice swordfight. Is an indepth analysis, scene by scene, explaining the details behind the action. Is not even from a perspective of a fan (not that he dislikes SW), but someone that give a complete breakdown of what works and what doesn't, giving examples, etc. BTW, I used to practice swordplay in my youth (huge fan of Highlander both movies and series, which motivated me to go and learn actual swordplay), which is why, his opinion mirrors more or less mine 😅 I've watched a few of his vids. I don't disagree that there are some immense technical flaws with most lightsaber combat. However, there is a lot of nitpicking about combat situations with a weapon that shouldn't exist to begin with. He even did a video a few years back that was much more concise and informative that explained the "problem" with lightsabers. Quote Link to comment
Hecatom Posted February 16, 2022 Share Posted February 16, 2022 Just now, OPTIMUS124 said: Snip The thing is that those videos are part of his Fight Scene Autopsy, which are meant to be in much more in depth. I know that not everyone is down for 1 hour long video, but it is why he has others for similar subjects. The idea of those vids is to be as nitpicky as possible in both technical stuff and his own grievance. 🤷♂️ OPTIMUS124 1 Quote Link to comment
OPTIMUS124 Posted February 16, 2022 Share Posted February 16, 2022 2 minutes ago, Hecatom said: The thing is that those videos are part of his Fight Scene Autopsy, which are meant to be in much more in depth. I know that not everyone is down for 1 hour long video, but it is why he has others for similar subjects. The idea of those vids is to be as nitpicky as possible in both technical stuff and his own grievance. 🤷♂️ You're right but I would see it more applicable on something like "The Princess Bride" 😂. Quote Link to comment
Hecatom Posted February 16, 2022 Share Posted February 16, 2022 Just now, OPTIMUS124 said: You're right but I would see it more applicable on something like "The Princess Bride" 😂. IIRC, the scenes are voted by his followers. OPTIMUS124 1 Quote Link to comment
DarkSakul Posted February 17, 2022 Share Posted February 17, 2022 Best Yoda fight scene Quote Link to comment
Wellman Posted February 18, 2022 Share Posted February 18, 2022 Just got to see the last episode last night. Spoiler Won't lie wasn't a fan of Grogu coming in and ruining all of Mando's shine. I get it he is the "face" of the show but damn aside from take shots they let Grogu take everything that they didn't give to Fett. Quote Link to comment
iStu X Posted February 19, 2022 Share Posted February 19, 2022 (edited) 5 hours ago, Wellman said: Just got to see the last episode last night. Reveal hidden contents Won't lie wasn't a fan of Grogu coming in and ruining all of Mando's shine. I get it he is the "face" of the show but damn aside from take shots they let Grogu take everything that they didn't give to Fett. Fett imo is just a boring character regardless of what they do with him. It’s why every other side character outshines him in his own show. All of Danny Trejo’s scene explaining how Rancors interact with people as a species was more interesting than anything Boba Fett did. Especially after all of he went through he just turned to Fennec and was like “this shit sucks. Let’s bail”. Which basically made everything he did irrelevant Edited February 19, 2022 by iStu X OPTIMUS124 1 Quote Link to comment
Wellman Posted February 19, 2022 Share Posted February 19, 2022 I actually liked that part. It fits the old Conan/warrior king trope where upon taking the throne, they want to bail for adventure. It was a funny line given how much work he did and how unlikely he should be to do it unless the next season story demands it. Which I hope it does cause while his supporters are cool, I am sick of the desert. RSG3 and Hecatom 2 Quote Link to comment
TheInfernoman Posted February 19, 2022 Share Posted February 19, 2022 So then the question is how to fix Boba Fett? What should the story have been about? (in before someone says "it should have been Mando season 3") Though It felt like Boba should have stuck to being a cameo/support for Mando. Just felt better that way. Maybe have Boba run his own merc group/guild? Anything would have been more interesting than what we got. I didn't hate the show...just felt like an anime filler arc. OPTIMUS124 1 Quote Link to comment
OPTIMUS124 Posted February 19, 2022 Share Posted February 19, 2022 1 hour ago, TheInfernoman said: So then the question is how to fix Boba Fett? What should the story have been about? (in before someone says "it should have been Mando season 3") Though It felt like Boba should have stuck to being a cameo/support for Mando. Just felt better that way. Maybe have Boba run his own merc group/guild? Anything would have been more interesting than what we got. I didn't hate the show...just felt like an anime filler arc. I agree. Another take is that the Season 1 should have been about Boba's restoration with the Tuskens. That was actually a more interesting plot. The crime-boss stuff would have been better served in a focused Season 2. Darc_Requiem and TheInfernoman 2 Quote Link to comment
Wellman Posted February 20, 2022 Share Posted February 20, 2022 On 2/18/2022 at 10:20 PM, TheInfernoman said: So then the question is how to fix Boba Fett? What should the story have been about? (in before someone says "it should have been Mando season 3") Though It felt like Boba should have stuck to being a cameo/support for Mando. Just felt better that way. Maybe have Boba run his own merc group/guild? Anything would have been more interesting than what we got. I didn't hate the show...just felt like an anime filler arc. I didn't mind either the flashback or modern stuff, they just needed to implement it better. With Boba's character, the amount of times he was proactive and took the lead either in terms of action or just running the place were minimum. Would have preferred him interacting with the populace more and getting into fights on his own. If we get another season, would love to see him with the crew he picked up here trying to take on different jobs preferably in different locations but even on that rock there are ways to put together interesting set pieces. Quote Link to comment
DarkSakul Posted February 23, 2022 Share Posted February 23, 2022 KimuraLOX, RSG3 and OPTIMUS124 3 Quote Link to comment
OPTIMUS124 Posted March 1, 2022 Share Posted March 1, 2022 My brother and I were talking today about Star Wars and he made a viewpoint that I can actually see the logic in. Star Wars - Jedi: Fallen Order should have been a TV show. The Mandalorian should have been a video game. Quote Link to comment
RSG3 Posted March 1, 2022 Share Posted March 1, 2022 Either one of those would have worked in either medium. Darc_Requiem and Wellman 2 Quote Link to comment
VirginDefiler Posted March 5, 2022 Share Posted March 5, 2022 it was worth it just to see jar jar get shot. finally. DangerousJ 1 Quote Link to comment
iStu X Posted March 9, 2022 Share Posted March 9, 2022 DangerousJ and Chadouken 2 Quote Link to comment
Chadouken Posted March 9, 2022 Share Posted March 9, 2022 Would have been cooler if it debuts on May 4th. Darc_Requiem 1 Quote Link to comment
iStu X Posted March 9, 2022 Share Posted March 9, 2022 Chadouken, Wellman and VirginDefiler 1 2 Quote Link to comment
OPTIMUS124 Posted March 9, 2022 Share Posted March 9, 2022 (edited) 9 minutes ago, iStu X said: OUR LORD AND SAVIOR HAS RETURNED Edited March 9, 2022 by OPTIMUS124 Chadouken, VirginDefiler, Wellman and 1 other 1 3 Quote Link to comment
Maxx Posted March 9, 2022 Share Posted March 9, 2022 That trailer just made nerds pass out OPTIMUS124, RSG3 and Chadouken 3 Quote Link to comment
Darc_Requiem Posted March 9, 2022 Author Share Posted March 9, 2022 2 hours ago, Maxx said: That trailer just made nerds pass out So the entire forum then 👀 OPTIMUS124 1 Quote Link to comment
OPTIMUS124 Posted March 9, 2022 Share Posted March 9, 2022 3 hours ago, Maxx said: That trailer just made nerds pass out Why that trailer had me shed a man tear when "Duel of the Fates" started playing 🤣 RSG3 1 Quote Link to comment
Maxx Posted March 9, 2022 Share Posted March 9, 2022 28 minutes ago, OPTIMUS124 said: Why that trailer had me shed a man tear when "Duel of the Fates" started playing 🤣 Basically described the whole comment section OPTIMUS124 and RSG3 1 1 Quote Link to comment
OPTIMUS124 Posted March 9, 2022 Share Posted March 9, 2022 (edited) 4 minutes ago, Maxx said: Basically described the whole comment section Me: Nostalgia is a bitch 🤣 Edited March 9, 2022 by OPTIMUS124 RSG3 and Maxx 2 Quote Link to comment
iStu X Posted March 10, 2022 Share Posted March 10, 2022 (edited) The trailer honestly did absolutely nothing for me. 😂 I’m still going to watch it but what was shown didn’t wow me or get me even remotely excited for the show. Edited March 10, 2022 by iStu X Hecatom 1 Quote Link to comment
RSG3 Posted March 10, 2022 Share Posted March 10, 2022 30 minutes ago, iStu X said: The trailer honestly did absolutely nothing for me. 😂 I’m still going to watch it but what was shown didn’t wow me or get me even remotely excited for the show. Yea, but you are an anti-hype magnet and don't really like Star Wars anyway so this doesn't mean very much lol. Like not to be rude but this is the expected reaction from you. DangerousJ 1 Quote Link to comment
iStu X Posted March 10, 2022 Share Posted March 10, 2022 7 minutes ago, RSG3 said: Yea, but you are an anti-hype magnet That’s not always the case. 8 minutes ago, RSG3 said: don't really like Star Wars anyway I do but I don’t. For me It’s just hard to care about Skywalker lineage stuff. I’m tired of it. 8 minutes ago, RSG3 said: this doesn't mean very much lol Either way, this is far. 😂 9 minutes ago, RSG3 said: Like not to be rude but this is the expected reaction from you. I can be excited about things. Quote Link to comment
RSG3 Posted March 10, 2022 Share Posted March 10, 2022 3 minutes ago, iStu X said: That’s not always the case. Yea sure, but I would bet against you before betting for you liking something Star Wars lol. Sorry but the odds just play that way bro. Darc_Requiem 1 Quote Link to comment
Wellman Posted March 10, 2022 Share Posted March 10, 2022 I thought it was cool as I saw what I believe are at least two of the Inquisitors from Star Wars Rebels or folk that look like them in the trailer. Quote Link to comment
Darc_Requiem Posted March 10, 2022 Author Share Posted March 10, 2022 15 minutes ago, Wellman said: I thought it was cool as I saw what I believe are at least two of the Inquisitors from Star Wars Rebels or folk that look like them in the trailer. Yeah the Grand Inquisitor and "Fifth Brother" I think....I could never remember all the Inquisitor names. Wellman 1 Quote Link to comment
TheInfernoman Posted March 10, 2022 Share Posted March 10, 2022 I wonder if this will display the other inquisitors we haven't seen... you could say... inquisiting minds wish to know! Quote Link to comment
OPTIMUS124 Posted March 10, 2022 Share Posted March 10, 2022 I appreciate this video essay. The show really would have benefited from the story being told chronologically. Darc_Requiem 1 Quote Link to comment
TheInfernoman Posted March 11, 2022 Share Posted March 11, 2022 Star Wars is better when its story has no flashbacks. OPTIMUS124 1 Quote Link to comment
iStu X Posted March 11, 2022 Share Posted March 11, 2022 1 hour ago, TheInfernoman said: Star Wars is better when its story has no flashbacks. Or skywalkers OPTIMUS124 1 Quote Link to comment
OPTIMUS124 Posted March 17, 2022 Share Posted March 17, 2022 The flavors at the end 🤣. Quote Link to comment
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