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2 minutes ago, Darc_Requiem said:

I thought Arika added to the Switch version of Fighting EX Layer earlier this year?  I remember my version of the game updating and the netcode was certainly improved. Wait here is an article.

 

https://nintendoeverything.com/fighting-ex-layer-another-dash-2-2-0-april-update-to-add-new-netcode-on-switch/

This just says "new netcode" in the article but doesn't say that its rollback.

 

Upon doing a quick search into if there are any rollback games on Switch, I was pleasantly surprised that I was actually wrong.  There's a reddit post that says there are 6 games on the platform (including MK 11?  That's crazy.  What's the excuse for everyone else now?)

 

 

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ha, the "fat Drake" skin reminded me of a certain trend I eventually hated in gaming many years ago... the era of the "Big Head Code"....I think it started around the late 16-bit era going into the 32-bit systems.  I got tired of seeing that lame nonsense in nearly every game with 3d-rendered characters....taking up valuable space in the tips/codes sections of all major gaming magazines at the time.  Sometimes I wonder what kind of person was looking forward to that, like "ooh, I hope there's a big-head code in this one too!!"....as the era of cool hidden content and codes was dying.  I miss those days when there was something interesting to unlock, either by just finding it or entering a certain code.  

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1 minute ago, Darc_Requiem said:

MK11 on Switch is the opposite of Dragon Quest 11. MK11 they just turned down the settings until hit 60fps hence the meh graphics. DQ11 they rebuilt the game from the ground up for Switch and the game looked far better for it.

I imagine that will be the general practice going forward, with the consoles turning so PC based most devs are just gonna flip switches and move sliders when porting to lesser hardware. 

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1 minute ago, RSG3 said:

I imagine that will be the general practice going forward, with the consoles turning so PC based most devs are just gonna flip switches and move sliders when porting to lesser hardware. 

The funny thing about DQ11 is they built that game 3 times, 4 if you count the 2D classic aesthetic. The 3DS version, Original Console/PC version, and the Switch version. I still think it's a shame the 3DS version didn't get localized.

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2 hours ago, Sonichuman said:

A good chunk of the likely GotY contenders that were going to get released this year got shifted into next year leaving Elden Ring and Dad of War Ragnarok to sweep up.  There were still a lot of great games that released this year that were included in the nominations like Bayo 3 and XBC 3 but they are unlikely to win in any cat where those 2 are in save for the slim chance of story or music (more so XBC3 than Bayo 3).

i would not put bayo3 in goty cat. sorry but that story wasnt...the strongest thing thing in the world.

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2 hours ago, iStu X said:

I mean…it did? Just play definitive edition in 2D mode

That's not whole game. The 3DS versionrendered the game in 3D on one screen and 2D on the other. The 3D environments and locations were similar to the PS4 version but not one or one.

 

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2 hours ago, VirginDefiler said:

i would not put bayo3 in goty cat. sorry but that story wasnt...the strongest thing thing in the world.

Story isn't the end all be all and its just one part of the whole piece.  In comparison to most games that came out this year?  I think Bayo 3 deserves to be nominated though I don't neccessarily think it should win.  Bayo stories are ridiculous but saying a game shouldn't win or even be nominated purely because the story was out there would invalidate a lot of games. 

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1 hour ago, Sonichuman said:

Story isn't the end all be all and its just one part of the wholepiece.  In comparison to most games that came out this year?  I think Bayo 3 deserves to be nominated though I don't neccessarily think it should win.  Bayo stories are ridiculous but saying a game shouldn't win or even be nominated purely because the story was out there would invalidate a lot of games. 

Reminds me of the Elden Ring narrative conversation going on right now since Elden Ring is nominated for GOTY and Best Narrative.

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1 hour ago, Sonichuman said:

Story isn't the end all be all and its just one part of the wholepiece.  In comparison to most games that came out this year?  I think Bayo 3 deserves to be nominated though I don't neccessarily think it should win.  Bayo stories are ridiculous but saying a game shouldn't win or even be nominated purely because the story was out there would invalidate a lot of games. 

 

Speaking of GOTY, if it were for me, I wouldn't give it to Ragnarok.

Really liked the game, and think is a worth contender, but Elden Ring deserves it more imo.

 

BTW, I am still on the 2 battles for the Platinum trophy.

I always get wrecked at the last moments of the battles, when is only like 10% of health left for them 😅

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6 hours ago, OPTIMUS124 said:

I would say that the novelty wore off. In a similar vein, GOWR is stellar in (mo-cap) performance and looks but is a more refined version of the previous entry. 

 

I feel the same way about GOWR. Its still great, but playing through the title, the first game had a much tighter story.

 

 

I agree you on this.

Is the reason why I think that Elden Ring deserves the GOTY more if it depended on me.

Although, the previous one also had 1 point where I was like, this is the route you want to go?, seriously?

Which is when Atreus reverted back as he was, like if he had some form of split personality that wasn't either explored neither explained.

 

Besides that, the game was almost excellent.

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3 minutes ago, VirginDefiler said:

whats that famous quote from george lucas. "special effects without a story..is a pretty boring thing."

 

so yea. i think for the goty category the story has to be the strongest thing. cuz a great gameplay with a weak story is not gonna cut it for goty. 

So Tetris, one of the greatest games ever made, doesnt deserve the 50+ years of history influence and reverence it has because it doesnt have a story? Street Fighter II isnt an amazing set of games because Street Fighters story is stupid?

 

I dont think you've thought this through very well honestly.

 

The gaming version of that George Lucas quote would be "A pretty game with shallow game-play mechanics is a pretty boring thing."

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BTW, the reason why I mentioned the uglification of Allow is simply because for me it was a tiny red flag that clued me into the nonsensical shit that the story would had and how Allow would behave.

 

Is not only her appearance but her personality.

Like I mentioned some months ago, Alloy was insufferable for me on HFW, didn't like her personality and the story was kind of trash for me.

 

The gameplay was good for the most part, but the rest of the game wasn't something that I enjoyed much, since they doubled downed on everything that I hoped they improve on the sequel coming from HZD.

 

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16 minutes ago, VirginDefiler said:

whats that famous quote from george lucas. "special effects without a story..is a pretty boring thing."

 

so yea. i think for the goty category the story has to be the strongest thing. cuz a great gameplay with a weak story is not gonna cut it for goty. 

Not every game is played for it's narrative. People play Bayonetta for the gameplay. Story is paramount in narrative driven games. Bayonetta is not a narrative driven game. It's gameplay driven. If Bayonetta 3 had the best story every and it's gameplay was subpar it would be a bad game. It's an action titled structured a round a deep action combat system. The story is just window dressing. 

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4 minutes ago, Hecatom said:

Is not only her appearance but her personality.

Like I mentioned some months ago, Alloy was insufferable for me on HFW, didn't like her personality and the story was kind of trash for me.

That's funny I found her attitude 

to be obnoxious in the first half of Zero Dawn with her shitty come backs and self indulgent ego stroking. Ross had her pegged right from jump in that game. She's super selfish. 

 

Didn't feel the same at all in 2, any time she was short with someone it was because she's busy or there just flat out isn't time to explain shit they won't understand anyway. 

 

Don't really see how that aligns with her physical attractiveness anyway, it's not like she wasn't short tempered and snappy when she was "attractive" before. 

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11 minutes ago, Darc_Requiem said:

The story is just window dressing.

Yo was so weird to me to see so many people crying (like not whining, like actually crying with tears and sniffles and shit) at Bayonetta 3s ending....like

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ok she dies but she also goes to where all her infernal friends are already, AND she can whoop all them asses down there anyway. Like does anyone really believe she's stuck down there, on top of this being a time travel/multivariate story, they could just give us another Alt Bayo, like come on.

This is like Dante and Vergil getting locked in hell, who really lost here? 

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Sooo...things aren't looking so hot for Panda right now....Event hubs is reporting that 80% of the people who were under them have left.

 

Don't know how true this is...buuuut I will say I've been seeing a few posts on my twitter feed of people saying they're leaving.  And then on top of that the CEO resign fired.

 

I say resign fired caaaause I'm pretty sure he was probably put in a position that if he didn't resign...well he probably wasn't going to be with the company much longer anyway.

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3 minutes ago, RSG3 said:

That's funny I found her attitude 

to be obnoxious in the first half of Zero Dawn with her shitty come backs and self indulgent ego stroking. Ross had her pegged right from jump in that game. She's super selfish. 

 

Didn't feel the same at all in 2, any time she was short with someone it was because she's busy or there just flat out isn't time to explain shit they won't understand anyway. 

 

Don't really see how that aligns with her physical attractiveness anyway, it's not like she wasn't short tempered and snappy when she was "attractive" before. 

 

I love how you are so focused on me mentioning her attractiveness 🤣

Like I said, it was a tiny red flag of all the shit I wouldn't like being double down.

 

I mentioned it as a sort of a joke hence the emoji at the end, but it is amusing how you niggas got their "jimmies rustled" by it.

I guess is my fault for not also putting a quotation around uglification to make it clear?

 

Like I said before, there is so much that is lost on only text communication, since we only can take things at mostly face value with some help of context based on the convo.

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13 minutes ago, Hecatom said:

I love how you are so focused on me mentioning her attractiveness

Its what started the conversation after all.

 

13 minutes ago, Hecatom said:

Like I said, it was a tiny red flag of all the shit I wouldn't like being double down.

Which is what? Everything you listed applies to the firs tone so it doesn't tell us anything. What exactly did they double down on that you don't like? I mean honestly im going kinda hard on the attractive shit because its the only concrete thing you've ever said about the game that i can remember. You're always talking shit about her attractiveness and thats it. You cant accuse me of being overly focused on her attractiveness when you're the one who always brings it up. You're the one focused on it, I'm just responding to it.

 

13 minutes ago, Hecatom said:

I mentioned it as a sort of a joke hence the emoji at the end, but it is amusing how you niggas got their "jimmies rustled" by it.

I guess is my fault for not also putting a quotation around uglification to make it clear.

No we definitely understand you think shes ugly now. That's extremely clear. You don't to rephrase it. What I'm pointing out and i think others as well, is that you sound shallow as fuck when you constantly say this. I had issues with FW myself, the writings a step back, the big bad guys are teased for too long and amount to mostly nothing at all in the end because they're just a distraction from the next bigger bad. They ABSOLUTELY chicken out on showing what Ted Faro did to himself. You don't really talk about those things tho, you just keep pointing out that shes a little fatter now and it somehow makes her hideous or some shit.

 

My jimmies aren't rustled, I'm just pointing out that you sound fucking shallow. With the amount of borderline porn you post and then comments like these it doesn't seem like you have a very healthy relationship with actual real women. Not gonna say that's for sure true, i don't really know you, but its how you come off on here, and its kinda why its the focus of the conversation. You make it the focus because its the only part you talk about. Maybe talk about other parts of the game if you'd like the convo to be about more then your taste in women, I dunno man.

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3 hours ago, RSG3 said:

Yo was so weird to me yo see so many people crying (like whining actually crying with tears and sniffles and shit) at Bayonetta 3s ending....like

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ok she dies but she also goes to where all her infernal friends are already, AND she can whoop all them asses down there anyway. Like does anyone really believe she's stuck down there, on top of this being a time travel/multivariate story, they could just give us another Alt Bayo, like come on.

This is like Dante and Vergil getting locked in hell, who really lost here? 

I think people have developed a certain attachment to the character. One that was likely amplified by the franchise nearly going away forever. That said. I agree with you thoughts in your spoiler tag but for different reasons. 

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I hate to the "lore guy" but that's just who I am. I agree with you that she'll be fine. Not because she can fight them off. IIRC she can't. Without her amulet, they don't have to listen to her. But because Luka went down there with her and he's strong as fuck. Plus Rodin clearly tells Viola that he dad wouldn't appreciate her playing hookie. Which means he must of made it back from Inferno. The funny thing is the Bayonetta 3's ending isn't even sad. The story telling just isn't very good. Singularity absorbed all of the Bayonettas/etc. to power himself up. You literally given him Gohan vs Cell treatment. You literally knock the Bayonetta's out him during your fight. Aka restore all of the destroyed universes. Which is why Bayo 1 and Bayo 2 were able to show up to help Cereza in the final fight. 

Sorry I can't help but be a lore person. Even when the story telling is sus 🙃

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7 minutes ago, Darc_Requiem said:

they don't have to listen to her.

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They don't....but they would. Shes too good for business, lets be honest. Who else is delivering the Halos by the bucket loads after all? Also her relationship with Madame Butterfly is clearly more then contractual lol. My main point was there is 0 reason to think her dying and going to hell is gonna be any kind of long term set back. And even if that was the case they just gave us a Multi-Verse.

 

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2 minutes ago, Darc_Requiem said:

@RSG3I don't want to speak for @Hecatombut the way I took his post was that people were focusing on what Aloy looked like when there were more serious issues in the game to focus on. Correct me if I'm wrong Hecatom.

Maybe i am misunderstanding because what i get from his posts when he talks about the game is the only issue is shes kinda fatter. I don't remember him ever saying anything else until just now, thats its some kind of sign about them doubling down on the bad content, but what was the bad content in the first place? I have no clue what he did and didnt like because i dont remember him ever actually talking about the game proper. Now i don't have the best memory no doubt, but i definitely remember the last two years being mostly "They made her ugly!" and nothing else.

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3 minutes ago, RSG3 said:

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Gonna reply to this post later, since I am going out to attend some family issues.

But I just want to mention that the majority of times I mentioned her being more uggo was due the nonsensical way that Guerrilla went with it.

 

Like Darc said some posts ago, they were the ones that made the choice to use a model as the base for her character, and is not like Allow exactly like her to begin with, since they made changes to Alloy to make it look more rugged than her real life counter part.

She wasn't particularily attractive to begin with.

 

The other times I mentioned has been at most thrice or 4ice? as jest because it was the non issue that was overblown hence why I always added emojis at the end to denotate that it was a joke.

 

I think I have mentioned some of my issues when I talked about the gameplay, but gonna go on them again when I come back.

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4 minutes ago, RSG3 said:

Now i don't have the best memory no doubt, but i definitely remember the last two years being mostly "They made her ugly!" and nothing else.

 

I think you are remembering wrong mate. Like with the Xrd thing, thinking I hated it and said it ruined the franchise.

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20 minutes ago, Hecatom said:

But I just want to mention that the majority of times I mentioned her being more uggo was due the nonsensical way that Guerrilla went with it.

Which is why i said their delivery on that in my initial response post was that they did a dog shit job talking about it. There are so many great reasons for Aloy to be heavier in the sequel, Shes way more active then before, shes literally running and climbing and fighting her happy ass across the destroyed remains of the United States, shes gonna put on mass, its inevitable. Why they didnt go with that line of thought when talking about it publicly is beyond me short of Guerilla Games isn't an American company, they're in Amsterdam so probably social conventions are different there then here, so it probably came off wrong to us. Only semi-logical explanation i can come up with. I run into it a lot when watching interviews with CDPR, its really clear few on the team, especially in the high up positions speak english regularly. They stumble and struggle to find the words they need regularly and at times have said shit that made 0 fucking sense without having to like...think about it and figure out what they actually meant.

 

Its the only thing i can think of.

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1 hour ago, RSG3 said:

So Tetris, one of the greatest games ever made, doesnt deserve the 50+ years of history influence and reverence it has because it doesnt have a story? Street Fighter II isnt an amazing set of games because Street Fighters story is stupid?

 

I dont think you've thought this through very well honestly.

 

The gaming version of that George Lucas quote would be "A pretty game with shallow game-play mechanics is a pretty boring thing."

 

hmm. true. you make a good point there.

but isnt that what the other categories are for? isnt there a action/adventure category at the vga? im pretty confident there is. it can win that.

as for goty. i dont know if theres a story/narrative/writing category. if there isnt. im guessing thats goty category. if there is, then i guess a game without a good story can win goty category.

but if theres a another game in the goty that has both gameplay and story why not give it to that game.

but i guess it being a vga and me trying to put a square peg into a round hole meaning. me applying film logic to another medium of entertainment aka video games aka interactive entertainment was a mistake. idk.

but when i think of goty games.

i think of games like gow, dmc5, resident evil remakes. nier automata, hellblade. games like that.

i really dont think uh games like rogue legacy 2, among us. stuff like that. 

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there seems to b only 12 categories on the vga website. i thought there were more including a category for each genre. im guessing there is and the website just isnt showing the minor award categories n just showin the top 12 ones cuz i couldve sworn there was a action/adventure category, a fighting game cat, a sports cat etc etc in the past. hmmm

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5 minutes ago, VirginDefiler said:

 

hmm. true. you make a good point there.

but isnt that what the other categories are for? isnt there a action/adventure category at the vga? im pretty confident there is. it can win that.

as for goty. i dont know if theres a story/narrative/writing category. if there isnt. im guessing thats goty category. if there is, then i guess a game without a good story can win goty category.

but if theres a another game in the goty that has both gameplay and story why not give it to that game.

but i guess it being a vga and me trying to put a square peg into a round hole meaning. me applying film logic to another medium of entertainment aka video games aka interactive entertainment was a mistake. idk.

but when i think of goty games.

i think of games like gow, dmc5, resident evil remakes. nier automata, hellblade. games like that.

i really dont think uh games like rogue legacy 2, among us. stuff like that. 

That's why I said earlier that Story is just a piece of the whole.  Story can be really important and as RSG3 said it's really dependent on the genre on how much precedence it has.  If a game has the right amount everything and executes it extremely well?  Then yeah I think that should get GotY but often times there are going to be games that just have a higher execution in one area that really makes it stand out and worthy to be at least be nominated/and or win.  Case in point Overwatch has a story but it's really scattered and you have to go relatively out of your way to dig into the lore of that series, but when that game came out it executed what it did so well that it pretty much sweeped everything that it got nominated for the year it came out.  This was in 2016 when Uncharted 4, Persona 5, Doom 2016, and Dark Souls 3 came out.

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22 minutes ago, VirginDefiler said:

there seems to b only 12 categories on the vga website. i thought there were more including a category for each genre. im guessing there is and the website just isnt showing the minor award categories n just showin the top 12 ones cuz i couldve sworn there was a action/adventure category, a fighting game cat, a sports cat etc etc in the past. hmmm

Maybe you're thinking about The Game Awards show that's coming up in a few days? I thought that's what people were talking about, though I could be wrong. These are the categories it lists: https://thegameawards.com/nominees

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55 minutes ago, VirginDefiler said:

i dont know if theres a story/narrative/writing category

Elden Ring is nominated for best narrative....yea there is a narrative catagory.

 

Frankly imo GOTY should go to the best GAME. You know the most important part of any game.

 

Anyway im not against you thinking a GOTY contender should have a fantastic narrative, i just think it should be justified better because arguable the majority of worlds greatest games have paper thin stories, if they even have one at all. People still play DOOM almost 40 years later and that games story is "Demons came through a Portal on Mars and your pet rabbit died in the chaos, time for revenge!!" Hardly Oscar material lol.

 

Heres a Q. Can the narrative become over bearing? Lot of people are complaining about Elden Rings Narrative Nom because Elden Ring doesnt tell you its story. You have to find it yourself. Same for the majority of Fromsoft titles. On the other hand i think back to Legacy of Kain series which at times has more story then actual gameplay. Like I LOOOOOVE Soul Reaver 2, But i would never nom it for like GOTY or anything because its way more a movie then it is a game. Its deffinitly got game in it, but you spend a vast majority of your time with the product watching it, not playing it. That means to me it has an amazing narrative but its honestly kind of a shit game. Like the game was an afterthought to the narrative. These days I almost feel like if LOK ever came back it should come back as a streaming series and not a videogame.

 

Yes i avoided the obvious Metal Gear Kojima watch fest, its an easy target and wanted to bring up a more "Obscure" title with arguably the same problems, instead.

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7 minutes ago, Chadouken said:

GOWR is an amazing game, and probably the best game I've played since Elden Ring. Elden Ring will win GOTY, there is no doubt in my mind. It's one of those games that don't come around very often.

How's your adventures in the Lands Between going anyway? 

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40 minutes ago, Chadouken said:

I put it on hold until I beat GOWR.  Elden Ring is going to take me a few years to beat. I see myself going hard for a few months, then taking some time off. A game like that needs to be savored.

Speaking of that title. 

 

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My Black Friday "haul" came in. I'm going to be dying . . . a lot. 

 

I honestly am going to have to put a cap on buying games for the next 18 months. Unless Titanfall 3 or a sequel to Viewtiful Joe drops, I don't think there is anything that's coming out that will divert my attention. 

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8 minutes ago, RSG3 said:

I'm on my like 10th or 11th build now (have had to start doing the hard work of deleting characters, you only get 10 slots for some reason) So anyone looking to co-op in Elden Ring hit me up.

I'll certainly do that once I get started. Speaking of builds,  I really hope they do a NG+ mode for Ragnarok. I want to try out a few things but there really isn't an incentive to play through the title again from the start especially knowing what Kratos is capable of.

 

Also, I rebought GoT because of the issue with the Japanese dub lip syncing. To this day, it's got to be the best title card sequence for a video game.  

 

 

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2 minutes ago, OPTIMUS124 said:

Also, I rebought GoT because of the issue with the Japanese dub lip syncing. To this day, it's the best title card sequence (if not one of) for a video game to date.  

I really liked Cyberpunks Title Card because it's tied to a mission so it may not pop for like...hours, multiple hours, and then BAM something HUGE happens and then Title Card. It also forms an extremely strong seperation between the game you had been playing and the game youll be playing going forward. It's very well done. 

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1 minute ago, RSG3 said:

I really liked Cyberpunks Title Card because it's tied to a mission so it may not pop for like...hours, multiple hours, and then BAM something HUGE happens and then Title Card. It's very well done. 

The only reason I haven't gotten to Cyberpunk 2077 in the backlog  is because of all the issues. I was extremely amped for the title. How is the game now?

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I normally would put this in the PC section but thought it would draw interest here.

 

 

Edit: @OPTIMUS124Which platform? I've been playing it on PS5 lately. I haven't run into anything game breaking but IMO their are lot more minor bugs than I had on PC. Still, I 100% the game without any game breaking bugs and considering how much I tended to fuck around for fun. I didn't run through the game. I think that's pretty good for 100 hours of playtime.

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