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[HD-Man]

I'll be there soon as I can to see BP2, gotta avoid spoilers for the next 7-8 days which is highly unlikely. I'm honestly hype for it

[Darc_Requiem]

1 hour ago, Jurassic said:

I don't plan to watch Wakanda Forever. With the exception of Spiderman, IMO the past 1 1/2 years of MCU movies have not been worth watching in theaters. The trailers make this movie look too busy even for 2.5+ hours of runtime. The only MCU movies I am looking forward to next year is Guardians of the Galaxy and Blade.

The whole situation around T'Challa killed any interest in the film for me. I'll die on the they should of recast T'Challa hill. T'Challa isn't just some rando character. He deserved better. Not to be killed off screen because the actor portraying him died. I'd bet my desktop PC that they don't even kill him off in an honorable way either. I like a lot of the characters in the first movie. There were several great performances by multiple actors. None of the characters left can carry a film. I've yet to be disappointed by anything Coogler has done. That said, it'll be a miracle if this movie is any good. And a near impossibility that I'll think it's any good. So my money is staying in my wallet. My 2 hours 40 minutes (?) will be spent elsewhere even when it hits Disney+.

[DangerousJ]

Comic book artist Carlos Pacheco passes away at 60  :{

He suffered from ALS (Lou Gehrig Disease) which is a neuromuscular disease with no cure.

He was born in Spain and eventually broke out in the mid 90's-with runs on X-men vol.2 , Avengers Forever, Flash among others.

RIP

 

 

 

https://www.superherohype.com/comics/521806-legendary-comic-book-artist-carlos-pacheco-passes-away-at-60

 

 

 

 

[OPTIMUS124]

Gonna go see BP2 at 4p today. I'll post thoughts when I return

[Darc_Requiem]

1 hour ago, OPTIMUS124 said:

Gonna go see BP2 at 4p today. I'll post thoughts when I return

I'm curious on your thoughts. The initial reviews seemed on the positive side. What they were saying didn't indicate to me that it was actually a good movie though. Could be my inherit bias when comes to Black Panther though. The impressions coming out now seem less positive. I won't say what I've heard, I don't want to color your opinion in anyway.

[OPTIMUS124]

6 minutes ago, Darc_Requiem said:

I'm curious on your thoughts. The initial reviews seemed on the positive side. What they were saying didn't indicate to me that it was actually a good movie though. Could be my inherit bias when comes to Black Panther though. The impressions coming out now seem less positive. I won't say what I've heard, I don't want to color your opinion in anyway.

I've seen a mix as well. That said, I've been good to separate other opinions and just go in with my own set of expectations. The only bias I am walking in with right now is "was it worth it not recasting T'Challa", and I'm on team nah. 

[Hecatom]

On 11/9/2022 at 12:26 AM, iStu X said:

Can’t wait to see Cubix in the MCU

 

 

 

 

This reply to that tweet got me 🤣

 

 

 

[Darc_Requiem]

On 11/9/2022 at 1:26 AM, iStu X said:

Can’t wait to see Cubix in the MCU

 

 

 

 

🤔

[iStu X]

19 hours ago, DangerousJ said:

Comic book artist Carlos Pacheco passes away at 60  :{

He suffered from ALS (Lou Gehrig Disease) which is a neuromuscular disease with no cure.

He was born in Spain and eventually broke out in the mid 90's-with runs on X-men vol.2 , Avengers Forever, Flash among others.

RIP

 

 

 

https://www.superherohype.com/comics/521806-legendary-comic-book-artist-carlos-pacheco-passes-away-at-60

 

 

 

 

Absolute legend. I didn’t realize how much of his work I had as a kid  until looking at art of his that his friends, colleges and fans posted on social medias 

Edited November 10, 2022 by iStu X

[Hecatom]

32 minutes ago, Darc_Requiem said:

 

🤔

 

I have that movie 🤣

It was something that was pointed out way back when marvel created Riri, that her armor and name was suspiciously similar to the JAV design and name, which is older than Marvel's character for quite some time.

Edited November 10, 2022 by Hecatom

[Darc_Requiem]

5 minutes ago, Hecatom said:

 

I have that movie 🤣

It was something that was pointed out way back when marvel created Riri, that her armor and name was suspiciously similar to the JAV design and name, which is older than Marvel's character for quite some time.

Oh I know. I just posted it so we'd have a low budget porno suit to compare to what marvel came up with. MCU Iron Heart looks like something cooked up with on a Legends of Tomorrow level budget.

Edited November 10, 2022 by Darc_Requiem

[Hecatom]

9 minutes ago, Darc_Requiem said:

Oh I know. I just posted so we'd have a low budget porno suit to compare what marvel came up with. Looks like something cooked up with on a Legends of Tomorrow level budget.

 

Speaking of which.

A friend of mine owns the theater near my house (I actually met him when we both ran video game tournaments) he invited me to watch Wakanda Forever before the official date.

I thanked him the offer but told him I wasn't really interested to watch it.

He and the other friends who watched it told me that is not good.

That is a disjointed mess, that the "send off" is bad and kind of insulting, the fx over al are mediocre at best, and in occasions quite bad and that it could potentially ruin the Black Panther franchise.

Namor is meh and lacks gravitas according to them.

 

And that the best actor/actress is Tchalla's mother, since she has a good screen presence.

 

Which, tbh, doesn't surprise me.

Marvel has been dropping the ball a lot.

Edited November 10, 2022 by Hecatom

[Darc_Requiem]

2 minutes ago, Hecatom said:

 

Speaking of which.

A friend of mine owns the theater near my house (I actually met him when we both ran video game tournaments) he invited me to watch Wakanda Forever before the official date.

I thanked him the offer but told him I wasn't really interested to watch it.

He and the other friends who watched it told me that is not good.

That is a disjointed mess, that the "send off" is bad and kind of insulting, the fx over al are mediocre at best, and in occasions quite bad and that it could potentially ruin the Black Panther franchise.

 

Which, tbh, doesn't surprise me.

Marvel has been dropping the ball a lot.

This was the final straw for me deciding against watching the film.

Spoiler

The disrespectful send off to T'Challa. It was bad enough that they didn't recast him. He gets sick and dies offs screen WTF. Have him fight off Namor and large group of soldiers, turn them back on his own, but be given a mortal injury. It would at least let him go out a hero and also explain why was suddenly though Wakanda was ripe for the taking.  

 

[Hecatom]

 

BTW, is it me, or does the helmet have what appears to be space for the corn braids?

[Hecatom]

Just now, Darc_Requiem said:

This was the final straw for me deciding against watching the film.

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The disrespectful send off to T'Challa. It was bad enough that they didn't recast him. He gets sick and dies offs screen WTF. Have him fight off Namor and large group of soldiers, turn them back on his own, but be given a mortal injury. It would at least let him go out a hero and also explain why was suddenly though Wakanda was ripe for the taking.  

 

Spoiler

Yeah, is quite bad.
A lot of people are baffled by the "send off"

I have heard of better options from fans, like having him off planet fighting Galactus, or something, dying like the warrior he is, with dignity.

 

But no, he dies from an unknown illness.

You are telling me that the super advanced society that is Wakanda, with a character that supposedly is as if not more intelligent than Tony and Banner, they are unable to save Tchalla?

LMAO.

 

I wouldn't be surprised if people find it insulting that he died as the way that Boseman died.

Celebrating his dead, instead of his life.

The movie sounds like a fucking joke.

And Namor wouldn't be winning any latino appreciation either as Marvel is expecting, since he is meh and his backstory is bad.

 

Edited November 10, 2022 by Hecatom

[RSG3]

Looks inspired by a fluted helmet. 

 

[Hecatom]

Just now, RSG3 said:

Looks inspired by a fluted helmet. 

 

 

I hope is that, but with marvel nowdays, you can't never know 🤣

 

[Darc_Requiem]

8 minutes ago, Hecatom said:

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Yeah, is quite bad.
A lot of people are baffled by the "send off"

I have heard of better options from fans, like having him off planet fighting Galactus, or something, dying like the warrior he is, with dignity.
The movie sounds like a fucking joke.

And Namor wouldn't be winning any latino appreciation either as Marvel is expecting, since he is meh and his backstory is bad.

 

They should have just cast Brian Tee as Namor like he wanted. Kept Namor basically the same. Dude is a good actor. He looked like Namor in the getup. The whole setup to Namor seemed less about an interesting twist on his origin to be different from Aquaman and more about we have a "latinx" hero.

 

 

Side note: I only used "latinx" to show how out of touch they are because. The day I meet a latino in person that likes that term will be the first time.

Edited November 10, 2022 by Darc_Requiem

[Darc_Requiem]

1 minute ago, Hecatom said:

 

I hope is that, but with marvel nowdays, you can't never know 🤣

 

What you don't trust the company behind such gems as "By Odin's fade!" 😒

[Hecatom]

Just now, Darc_Requiem said:

What you don't trust the company behind such gems as "By Odin's fade!" 😒

The thing that makes me think is for the cornbraids is that the marks seems to align with Riri's hairstyle.

At least from what I remember watching on the trailers.

I could be wrong though.

[Hecatom]

3 minutes ago, Darc_Requiem said:

They should have just cast Brian Tee as Namor like he wanted. Kept Namor basically the same. Dude is a good actor. He looked like Namor in the getup. The whole setup to Namor seemed less about an interesting twist on his origin to be different from Aquaman and more about we have "latinx" hero.

 

 

Side note: I only used "latinx" to show how out of touch they are because. The day I meet a latino in person that likes that term will be the first time.

 

Speaking of that, the people refering to Namor as Latino are wrong btw, since if he is Mayan/Aztec, he is pre hispanic, aka native american.

And while the countries that had mayan/aztec cities on them, make it part of their identity, we are not the same at all, neither as culture, neither as race (which as I said before, Latino is not a race, but a collection of cultures.)

[Darc_Requiem]

1 hour ago, Hecatom said:

 

Speaking of that, the people refering to Namor as Latino are wrong btw, since if he is Mayan/Aztec, he is pre hispanic, aka native american.

And while the countries that had mayan/aztec cities on them, make it part of their identity, we are not the same at all, neither as culture, neither as race (which as I said before, Latino is not a race, but a collection of cultures.)

Hey now don't let facts get in the way of the false representation narrative. Do you really expect the "latinx" crowd to know the culture? 😉

[AriesWarlock]

 

Edited November 11, 2022 by AriesWarlock

[OPTIMUS124]

So Wakanda Forever - 

 

I enjoyed it overall. It's easily the best film in phase 4. Ryan Coogler understood his assignment and completed it. Props to Letitia Wright and Angela Bassett as they are the standouts in this film. The guy that plays Namor is a creep in all the best ways. The movie has several moments for feels. Lastly, the memorial for Chadwick was very well done. 

 

Having said that, is this the GOAT movie. . . 

 

 

The movie easily could have been about 15-20 minutes shorter. It never feels long, but it could have been tightened up. There are two character designs whose elements irked me. Sometimes, being too close to the comic design just sometimes doesn't work. 

 

I think they were successful at what the film set out to do. It's worth a watch, but I won't see it four times as I did with Top Gun. 

 

 

 

 

[OPTIMUS124]

One last thing - Phase 4 is absolutely is about "loss". This film is the perfect way to close it. 

[Wellman]

Yeah but much like phase 1 it is a bit of a mess as they clearly are not sure where they are going or how to link it properly with all the projects. I am still enjoying the content however so that is all that matters. Hoping WF can take the spot from NWH as the best movie but not going in expecting it due how the subject matter and overall factors.

[RSG3]

Seems to me like they know how to link it up we just aren't privey to those plans so it's easier to say it's scatter shot. 

 

But that's just my impressions. 

Edited November 11, 2022 by RSG3

[OPTIMUS124]

17 minutes ago, RSG3 said:

Seems to me like they know how to link it up we just aren't privey to those plans so it's easier to say it's scatter shot. 

 

But that's just my impressions. 

I think that's the case. There is absolutely a through line, but it wasn't clearly stated.

 

As a side - There is a conversation about traditions that was a pretty well done in the film. There is a moment when it comes full circle at the end of the film. That one . . . 

 

 

 

  

33 minutes ago, Wellman said:

I am still enjoying the content however so that is all that matters. Hoping WF can take the spot from NWH as the best movie but not going in expecting it due how the subject matter and overall factors.

NWH is a victory lap for the MCU. WF certainly has much more to say but in terms of fun-factor, NWH will likely fair better in the space. Still a good movie. 

 

Edited November 11, 2022 by OPTIMUS124

[RSG3]

10 minutes ago, OPTIMUS124 said:

I think that's the case. There is absolutely a through line, but it wasn't clearly stated.

I don't see why they need to state it clearly when the themes of Phase 4 have been very consistant across all projects in this regard. 

[OPTIMUS124]

58 minutes ago, RSG3 said:

I don't see why they need to state it clearly when the themes of Phase 4 have been very consistant across all projects in this regard. 

The first show projects made it very clear. Even all the way up through Thor4 you're pretty much spoonfed it. The stories this go round certainly hit differently (especially with all of the loss my family has gone through). Vision's line "What is grief if not love persevering" is the summary of phase 4's general construct.  

Edited November 11, 2022 by OPTIMUS124

[AriesWarlock]

 

Edited November 11, 2022 by AriesWarlock

[Wellman]

Just saw it and personally I may like more then NWH. It may not have the same true links to the past not fan service but it was very well done. 

 

Spoiler

That being said ain't no real surprises here, save Ross and Val's relationship. 

 

I will say that as a Namor fan and one that hated the original depiction of the Wakanda - Atlantis conflict, this was well done and much better handled then then AvX and most of follow up comic storylines did it. I was pleased how they did it as a fan for both Black Panther and Namor it was really good. Wish Chadwick could have lived to play a role in it but it was still a fine story.

 

[iStu X]

 

[AriesWarlock]

Sins of Sinister is looking interesting. Cool that we are gonna see more of that Rasputin girl.

 

 

 

 

Edited November 13, 2022 by AriesWarlock

[RSG3]

Just let out of Wakanda Forever. I give it a solid B. Was very good, and very respectful but still failed to convince me killing T'Challa was the right move. 

 

Oh and I still don't like Shuri. She still kinda sorta sucks imo...like as a person. 

Edited November 15, 2022 by RSG3

[iStu X]

“Thanks” to everything going on I’ve stayed spoiler free when it comes to Wakanda Forever. That said —  it’s time, baby 

 

 

[AriesWarlock]

 

 

Edited November 16, 2022 by AriesWarlock

[iStu X]

Wakanda Forever was great. 
 

Spoiler

Killmonger being the one to visit Shuri in the ancestral plain was a thing of beauty. 
 

Reworking Namor’s origin so he’s even more parallel to the wakandan’s and T’Challa specifically was great. It gives credibility to the beef Wakanda has with the Atlanteans outside of the flood in AvX when Namor was possessed by the Phoenix Force. 
 

RiRi Williams was cool to see but felt unnecessary. I do love that they got rid of her pirating stark tech to build her suit in the way they did. But god that suit looked like shit. 
 

Angela Bassett and Tenoch Huerta were definitely the standouts. They only shared screen time for a few moments but they both knew the assignment and worked so well together. 
 

Namor and he’s peoples absence from all of the Thanos’s campaign was done well. It tied in with his origin and it kept Namor’s characterizations in tact. Aka fuck the surface dwellers. 
 

Julia Louise-Dryfess is a gem. Everytime I see her I get more and more excited for Thunderbolts. 
 

A lot of the CGI was laughably bad. 
 

I’m really glad they didn’t go the Doom War route. I’m a BP event called Doom War, Doctor Doom invades and takes over Wakanda to confiscate all the Vibranium as he discovers it can help him with his alchemy experiments. That part doesn’t exactly matter but the ending of Doom War is  before Doom claims total victory T’Challa hits a kill switch that makes all known Vibranium on earth inert. 
 

As soon as I saw the Atlanteans also had Vibranium I immediately assumed the doom war ending was what they were going with. I’m really happy they didn’t. 

 

King T’Challa JR! 
 

All in all, the only things I really didn’t like is certain spots where the CGI and green screening is horrifically bad, RiRi felt unnecessary and some of the dialogue from Shuri could come across as really clunky. 
 

I’d say a 7.5 or a very low 8 out of 10

 

Edited November 16, 2022 by iStu X

[Wellman]

Yeah Coogler is a fantastic creator and storyteller but his two Marvel movies have some of the worst looking CGI out of all the movies. But the rest of it including art is so good you over look it. 

[BornWinner]

 

[Dragonfave723]

 

[Lantis]

LOL Sony is exploiting the Spider-verse for all its' worth.

 

When do we get a Hypno Hustler movie?

[Maxx]

21 hours ago, BornWinner said:

 

😭😭😭

 

 

[Darc_Requiem]

22 hours ago, BornWinner said:

 

[AriesWarlock]

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Edited November 18, 2022 by AriesWarlock

[AriesWarlock]

 

 

[iStu X]

Edited November 19, 2022 by iStu X

[iStu X]

@AriesWarlockhave they revealed who Xeno/Man with the Peacock Tattoo is yet? Is he a new character by Percy or a legacy character with a new look?

Edited November 19, 2022 by iStu X

[BornWinner]

Chris Hemsworth will be taking a break from acting.

 

 

I wish the best for his family and health.

[AriesWarlock]

5 hours ago, iStu X said:

@AriesWarlockhave they revealed who Xeno/Man with the Peacock Tattoo is yet? Is he a new character by Percy or a legacy character with a new look?

 

No reveal yet but looks like it's happening soon.