Video Game Discussion Thread vol. 2

[AriesWarlock]

shareholders right now 🤯

 

In a document submitted in a June 22 court hearing by Microsoft (and viewed by Kotaku), the company discussed how it’s been losing the console wars to Nintendo and Sony ever since it hit the scene in 2001 with the beefy original Xbox. It suggests that both the GameCube and PlayStation 2 outsold the first Xbox by a “significant margin.” And as Microsoft stated in the document, it’s been like that ever since—even now.

“Xbox has lost the console wars, and its rivals are positioned to continue to dominate, including by leveraging exclusive content,” Microsoft wrote. “Xbox’s console has consistently ranked third (of three) behind PlayStation and Nintendo in sales. In 2021, Xbox had a share of 16 percent while Nintendo and PlayStation had shares of [redacted] and [redacted], respectively. Likewise for console revenues and share of consoles currently in use by gamers (‘installed base’), Xbox trails with 21 percent while PlayStation and Nintendo have shares of [redacted] and [redacted], respectively.”

 

Microsoft says Xbox has ‘lost the console wars.’

The FTC vs. Microsoft case is starting this morning and Microsoft is keen to show Xbox is in third place. “Xbox has lost the console wars, and its rivals are positioned to continue to dominate” argues Microsoft in a filing today. It also reveals Xbox had 16 percent share of console sales in 2021 and 21 percent of console install base.

 

 

Edited June 23, 2023 by AriesWarlock

[iStu X]

52 minutes ago, AriesWarlock said:

In a document submitted in a June 22 court hearing by Microsoft (and viewed by Kotaku), the company discussed how it’s been losing the console wars to Nintendo and Sony ever since it hit the scene in 2001 with the beefy original Xbox.

And water is wet. Xbox has always sold at a loss and has always been 3rd place. Even during the PS360 era and even during Nintendo’s Wii U era. 

Edited June 23, 2023 by iStu X

[iStu X]

Double post cause FF16 hype!!!

 

Traded in some stuff to where I didn’t have to pay out of pocket for game or t-shirt. I was super nervous about the t-shirt due to it being white but the GameStop employee gave me the great idea of tye-dying it. So I asked my girlfriend if she knows how to and what I was wanting (blue) and she said she would. 
 

 

[RegH81]

Alright nerds, VGM Friday.

 

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[Wellman]

I mean in the US/NA, they have had some success but globally, yeah they never have breached Japan or Europe to a degree they could claim to be anything but third place. 

[iStu X]

I only got to play for a few hours and some change but FF16 is pretty good so far. I wish you could customize the controls though.  Having R1 as my evade is dumb as fuck (I’m left handed) 

Edited June 23, 2023 by iStu X

[Sonichuman]

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Edited June 23, 2023 by Sonichuman

[DoctaMario]

19 hours ago, Darc_Requiem said:

A lot of people are green right now. If I didn't know it was envy, I'd think there really was a Secret Invasion.

Not saying he didn't work hard or doesn't deserve the role, but he's delusional if he thinks his social media metrics have nothing to do with it.

[Sonichuman]

2 minutes ago, DoctaMario said:

Not saying he didn't work hard or doesn't deserve the role, but he's delusional if he thinks his social media metrics have nothing to do with it.

Actually if you listened to Sun Wong Cho's vid about the subject, often times being a youtuber has made him miss roles because of the stigma of putting people in a box.  Its only been now at this point in his life with a ton of roles under his belt that it has been less of a factor.

[Darc_Requiem]

6 minutes ago, DoctaMario said:

Not saying he didn't work hard or doesn't deserve the role, but he's delusional if he thinks his social media metrics have nothing to do with it.

I'd argue the opposite in this case. He's video game Youtuber that's often critical of video game companies. I don't think that helps him get VA roles in video games. If anything, it would limit his opportunities. I can see the argument made if this was a major anime role, something he doesn't cover, that's not the case though.

Edited June 23, 2023 by Darc_Requiem

[DoctaMario]

11 minutes ago, Sonichuman said:

Actually if you listened to Sun Wong Cho's vid about the subject, often times being a youtuber has made him miss roles because of the stigma of putting people in a box.  Its only been now at this point in his life with a ton of roles under his belt that it has been less of a factor.

 

10 minutes ago, Darc_Requiem said:

I'd argue the opposite in this case. He's video game Youtuber that's often critical of video game companies. I don't think that helps him get VA roles in video games. If anything, it would limit his opportunities. I can see the argument made if this was a major anime role, something he doesn't cover, that's not the case though.

Both of you make fair points but the fact is, he's a lot more visible than other actors and has a built in audience the game companies can capitalize on. And that goes a long way in casting decisions.

[Sonichuman]

vids

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Diablo IV's Soundtrack Team Created Perfect Music for Every Game Moment

Sonic X Samba De Amigo Collaboration

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Super Mario Galaxy - An Impossible Masterpiece from Liam Triforce

 

Edited June 23, 2023 by Sonichuman

[Sonichuman]

Realized I forgot to put that in a spoiler.  I'll fix it when I get off

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[Sonichuman]

VGM Fridays!!

 

[CDB2k20]

4 hours ago, Sonichuman said:

Realized I forgot to put that in a spoiler.  I'll fix it when I get off

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Keef skit got my rolling!! 🤣

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[Jurassic]

Started playing Diablo IV as a druid. My build is focused on poison from shred, pets and rabies. Even at level 24 it melts groups quickly. So far I am enjoying the game and looking forward to working with the other classes.

[Sonichuman]

The little snippets of Phil talking to the FTC to try to get this Acti-Blizz deal to go through has been interesting

Phil apparently bought Bethesda after hearing that Starfield was going to be exclusive to Playstation.  That's some crazy ish

https://www.theverge.com/2023/6/23/23771828/microsoft-betheda-acquisition-starfield-playstation-exclusive

 

 

Edited June 24, 2023 by Sonichuman

[Sonichuman]

 

[Sonichuman]

Found out that there's an indie game that plays like Ace Attorney on Steam that Insaneintherain did the music for.  If you like Ace Attorney then this might be something to check out.

 

[Hecatom]

3 hours ago, Sonichuman said:

 

 

Based Pippa

[Hecatom]

2 hours ago, Sonichuman said:

The little snippets of Phil talking to the FTC to try to get this Acti-Blizz deal to go through has been interesting

Phil apparently bought Bethesda after hearing that Starfield was going to be exclusive to Playstation.  That's some crazy ish

https://www.theverge.com/2023/6/23/23771828/microsoft-betheda-acquisition-starfield-playstation-exclusive

 

 

I love how he is trying to paint a picture that Sony does those moves like if they have not been doing the same for years.

Like when the sequel for the Tomb Rider reboot came out was exclusive to the xbone, a move that was so dumb from SE part that it tanked the prospects of the series XD.

 

Or how they made sure that certain games like Dead Rising stayed exclussive for Xbox for a year or more.

 

[TheInfernoman]

14 minutes ago, Hecatom said:

 

Based Pippa

I love community notes

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[RSG3]

8 hours ago, Hecatom said:

 

I love how he is trying to paint a picture that Sony does those moves like if they have not been doing the same for years.

Like when the sequel for the Tomb Rider reboot came out was exclusive to the xbone, a move that was so dumb from SE part that it tanked the prospects of the series XD.

 

Or how they made sure that certain games like Dead Rising stayed exclussive for Xbox for a year or more.

 

Yea that "complaint" is weird. That was Microsofts whole MO when entering the console race. 

 

"Sony spend the money they earn to minimize our presence in the market!" No duh, that's literally Capitalism. Thats your bosses entire strategy, its how MS became so fucking big in the first place. 

[Darc_Requiem]

I'm enjoying Final Fantasy XVI but this game is an action game. Final Fantasy, as a series, has no identity anymore. It seems like they come up with a separate game concept and slap a Final Fantasy coat of paint on it. You just toss in some chocobos, crystals, an familiar iconography  and just call it Final Fantasy. 

[AriesWarlock]

"Spreadsheets in space" is the perennial EVE joke, but now Excel is an in-game feature.

 

 

[AriesWarlock]

 

35 minutes ago, RSG3 said:

Yea that "complaint" is weird. That was Microsofts whole MO when entering the console race. 

 

"Sony spend the money they earn to minimize our presence in the market!" No duh, that's literally Capitalism. Thats your bosses entire strategy, its how MS became so fucking big in the first place. 

 

I remember they were big on "exclusive episodic content"

 

 

[RSG3]

30 minutes ago, Darc_Requiem said:

I'm enjoying Final Fantasy XVI but this game is an action game. Final Fantasy, as a series, has no identity anymore. It seems like they come up with a separate game concept and slap a Final Fantasy coat of paint on it. You just toss in some chocobos, crystals, an familiar iconography  and just call it Final Fantasy. 

So the last 20+ years of FF? Series hasn't had any concrete identity in decades. 

 

Edit: And before someone accuses me of exaggerating, FFX was 22 years ago. 

Edited June 24, 2023 by RSG3

[Darc_Requiem]

4 minutes ago, RSG3 said:

So the last 20+ years of FF? 

Last twenty years? I don't think so. How many mainline games have dropped in 2003? 3, maybe 4. I'd have to look it up. 

[AriesWarlock]

 

12 hours ago, Sonichuman said:

 

 

Apparently the community notes is wrong on this one?

 

 

 

[RSG3]

12 minutes ago, Darc_Requiem said:

Last twenty years? I don't think so. How many mainline games have dropped in 2003? 3, maybe 4. I'd have to look it up. 

Since 03? We got 11, an MMO, 12 Single player MMO hybrid, 13 whatever the fuck that was, 14 another MMO, and 15, an action game, and now 16 an action game. We have gotten 6 mainline FFs since 03, and I'm leaving out mainline sequels to boot. Didn't count games like 10-2 or 13-3. 

 

What exactly are you referring to as their identity? They basically abandonded traditional, full turn based combat by 11 and it hasn't been back since. Hell they made the Bravely series which is arguably more Final Fantasy then FF has been in...about 20 years lol.

Edited June 24, 2023 by RSG3

[Abbachio]

My friend showed me some of the early game of FFXVI and I was so happy that Suparna and Chirada showed up since, from my knowledge, they're from XIV.

[RSG3]

15 minutes ago, Abbachio said:

My friend showed me some of the early game of FFXVI and I was so happy that Suparna and Chirada showed up since, from my knowledge, they're from XIV.

XVI was made by the XIV team with the combat designed by the DMCV combat designer. Hence its primarily an action game with tone, feel and call backs to XIV. 

 

Yoshi P has been very vocal about how he wants FF to be a big deal again. To be a series you have to buy, you have to play. He wants its old prestige back. 

 

Turn based games don't sell like that, they haven't for a long time. Final Fantasy Mainline probably won't be turn based ever again. 

 

How one feels about that is up to themselves I suppose. I like turn based combat, I love full action combat so it's a positive for me. Games like Persona and SMTV and the SRPG genre fill that void just fine for me, and I can always go back and play the first 9 if I want to. Thats my feelings on the issue from a taste and I guess ideological standard?

Edited June 24, 2023 by RSG3

[Abbachio]

Yeah I knew that 16 was being dev'd by some of the 14 team, with Yoshi P heading, I just didn't expect elements from 14 to show up pretty much directly. It makes me wonder what's in store later but alas I have a 6 month wait. And honestly Yoshi P is dead on with wanting to restore the name of Final Fantasy, people ignore the online games as being mainline, 12 was hit and miss for a lot people, 13 is 13 and 15 was honestly dogshit from every single angle. I'm really happy for Yoshi P and his team especially since from what I can tell from the initial response to 16 he's gotten his wish.

[Faltimar the Dark]

So like you can really just beat bosses by mashing the same button?  Some of you guys gotta be playing this and know the truth.

 

I mean, a game dont have to be hard to be fun but boss fights should have a little more going on for them I think.  Just a little. 

 

I'll get the game when it comes to PC...in 5 years or so.

Edited June 24, 2023 by Faltimar the Dark
to add - in 5 years or so

[Abbachio]

I dunno from what I can gather it's a tutorial boss and all he's doing is mashing dodge and attacking occasionally, I mean I'm pretty sure I could boot up say Bayonetta or something similar and do the same there. Not trying to white knight here but from what I saw at my friends yesterday it does seem quite a bit more involved gameplay wise.

[RSG3]

29 minutes ago, Faltimar the Dark said:

So like you can really just beat bosses by mashing the same button?  Some of you guys gotta be playing this and know the truth.

I've only played the story part of the Demo which didn't really have any real fights in outside the Morlbol so I dont really know. Will be a bit before I get to play unfortunately for me. 

[Hecatom]

5 hours ago, RSG3 said:

Yea that "complaint" is weird. That was Microsofts whole MO when entering the console race. 

 

"Sony spend the money they earn to minimize our presence in the market!" No duh, that's literally Capitalism. Thats your bosses entire strategy, its how MS became so fucking big in the first place. 

 

Word.

Is like he is trying to bury the history of how they kept fucking with Sony and Nintendo with their timed exclusives and at times permanent exclusives for games and DLC, or forcing devs to release 1st on their platform, and if not, the games wouldnt be allowed on XboxLive.

Like AriesWarlock posted, they locked the GTAIV DLC on their system for quite a while, anbd by the time it made it into PS3, many people already moved on.

If Sony is more aggressive now, is because they started that shit 1st.

Edited June 24, 2023 by Hecatom

[Hecatom]

2 hours ago, Faltimar the Dark said:

So like you can really just beat bosses by mashing the same button?  Some of you guys gotta be playing this and know the truth.

 

 

Nope, you can't, at least not in the action focused mode and without the items to make it easier.

You need to be paying attention or you would be floored.

 

Is not DMC3 normal mode levels of hard, but it is not easy either.

[Hecatom]

 

[iStu X]

The more I play FFXVI the more I dislike it but there's still enough to keep me going. Mainly the story and the voice acting. 

 

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I just absorbed Garuda from benedikta. which gives you a new fighting style. So in very DMC style you can switch back and forth from different Eikos styles. Garuda has a lot of grabbing and air combo type stuff. 

 

[Hawkingbird]

I'm actually disappointed that Caer Norvent isn't a stealth section.

[Hecatom]

1 hour ago, Hawkingbird said:

I'm actually disappointed that Caer Norvent isn't a stealth section.

 

I am pretty sure that most people would have hated if it was the case.

Most people seem to hate surprise stealth sections on games that are not stealth oriented.

[RSG3]

1 hour ago, Hecatom said:

Most people seem to hate surprise stealth sections on games that are not stealth oriented.

Yea cuz those games aren't set up for stealth, so it ends up a hamfisted idea executed like shit. It also tends to run counter to how the character does things from a narrative strength standpoint. I'll use Lord of Shadow 2 as my example, where I'm Dracula and I can literally level armies, but for arbitrary reasons that don't make sense I have to sneak through this next areas because the devs had to have a stealth section for some reason. I can level mountains but not this slightly larger then average dude in black armor because reasons. 

[Hawkingbird]

1 hour ago, Hecatom said:

 

I am pretty sure that most people would have hated if it was the case.

Most people seem to hate surprise stealth sections on games that are not stealth oriented.

The game has quite a few unexpected genre shifts. It opens with an on rails shooter section which is reused to cap off the prologue. A stealth section in a part of the game where the characters are trying to sneak into a castle wouldn't be as jarring as that. I'm not asking for much. Basic sneaking and takedowns are all it would have needed. 

[RegH81]

One of my co-workers told me he was going with Mint Chip for the upcoming Splatfest. I told him never to talk to me again.