The Return of.. Terribly Unpopular Opinions.

Faltimar the Dark · June 17, 2022

2 hours ago, TheInfernoman said:

Buying a pre-built always seemed like a lazy halfway move. Having said that, most pre-built give you a graphics card without being unreasonably priced.

Isnt it the same as buying premade game console? Its not like you built them consoles yourself. In any case what does this have to do with consoles possibly going extinct?

2 hours ago, Sonero said:

I have a prebuilt with an hella old graphics card by today's standards. Its has more than enough power to do anything I wanna. What it doesn't do is keep up with Game companies pushing graphics hard for shits and giggles and releasing a lot of unoptimized games.

That'll always be the convinience of a console. Not having to worry about any of that nonsense. Buy the game, put it in, downloaded 3 patches for 6 hours and they it works.

Have you looked at current pre-built PC's? They are pretty powerful. You can also upgrade them.

2 hours ago, Lantis said:

LOL you master racers always crack me up with your "consoles R D3d" ever since the turn of the century

I started to feel that way/think like that around the time the PS4 and XB1 were released. So not as long as you think. Its also something I've figured would take a couple/few console cycles to happen. I dont think its something that will just happen over night. But it will happen.

Also I dont think of myself as one of those master race computer dorks. I just like games.

iStu X · June 17, 2022

12 hours ago, DarkSakul said:

The Switch is getting in danger of getting trounced by a Hand Held PC the Steam Deck, and more impersonators are coming.

Fucking what? The switch is now within the top 5 best selling consoles of all time and shows absolutely no signs of slowing down.

Edited June 17, 2022 by iStu X

OPTIMUS124 · June 17, 2022

1 hour ago, Hawkingbird said:

I don't see that happening. Getting a PC is more accessible than getting a console.

For those of us who are techies, it is, but for someone looking to buy a thing, I disagree. A coincidence is I just built a new rig last night . This is just for work more than anything else.

J-ride · June 17, 2022

I think PC gaming has become more accessible in the last few years but it's still not nearly as accessible as a console especially for couch co op or playing on a TV.

TheInfernoman · June 17, 2022

2 hours ago, DarkSakul said:

That just the devs being sloppy.

Microsoft is already getting to abandon consoles for their "Ecosystem" of games as a service.
No word what exactly Sony is up too, Nintendo is only going to hold out as long as the gimmick still draws people in.
As Nintendo can no longer keep up with the "lets make console from budget hardware just for games", it worked for the Game Boy, but it stopped working for their consoles for a while. Switch has a fun gimmick people are willing to buy into plus some killer apps at launch, BOTW is what sold the Switch at launch.

Is it REALLY a Gimmick? Switch seems like a smart way to handle gaming going forward. My Gal likes playing on a dock. I play handheld. no need anymore for 2 separate consoles. Besides if it was a gimmick, Steam Deck wouldn't take a risk on such a thing.

Chadouken · June 17, 2022

55 minutes ago, OPTIMUS124 said:

For those of us who are techies, it is, but for someone looking to buy a thing, I disagree.

I dunno, man. Seems like it's still a hell of a lot easier to buy a PC than a PS5.

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DarkSakul · June 17, 2022

4 hours ago, iStu X said:

Fucking what? The switch is now within the top 5 best selling consoles of all time and shows absolutely no signs of slowing down.

Yet their dominance is being challenged by the steam deck. Now only if people didn't have to preorder.

Hawkingbird · June 17, 2022

5 hours ago, OPTIMUS124 said:

For those of us who are techies, it is, but for someone looking to buy a thing, I disagree. A coincidence is I just built a new rig last night . This is just for work more than anything else.

It's been two years since the launch of the new consoles and still can't casually go to a store and buy one. There's no struggle in purchasing a PC. The only time that happens is in crypto is on the rise

MillionX · June 17, 2022

yeah one can imagine the sales of Steam Deck being even more crazy if it were available in "regular" stores like Walmart and Target....perhaps add at least 1 commercial aired during key demographic times on television and that might indeed pose a serious threat to Nintendo's dominance on the portable side of things. I'd agree that it being only available from the Steam site is a major thing holding back what a monster it could be in terms of sales numbers. I think you also need to already have an account, so that's another limiting factor as well.

Also as they randomly come to mind---

I don't understand why some pet owners just let their pet run wild all over the neighborhood. Do they just not care what happens? I'd be concerned about my dog getting hit by a speeding vehicle, or perhaps some psycho kids finding and torturing it, etc. etc. I don't have a pet but I wouldn't be cool with letting it roam around too far from home, unsupervised....it just seems crazy to me, like if a parent let their 3 year old wander around outside with no supervision, going however as far as they want.
Marshmallows----they're terrible.

OPTIMUS124 · June 17, 2022

2 hours ago, Hawkingbird said:

It's been two years since the launch of the new consoles and still can't casually go to a store and buy one. There's no struggle in purchasing a PC. The only time that happens is in crypto is on the rise

True, but I'd state that is more of a product of the supply chain (e.g., components to make it, distribution) and resellers than raw consumer demand. To the second point, I don't disagree, but that would be your more high-end GPUs than an entire unit.

4 hours ago, DarkSakul said:

Yet their dominance is being challenged by the steam deck. Now only if people didn't have to preorder.

Being challenged is one thing, overtaken is another.

Edited June 17, 2022 by OPTIMUS124

RSG3 · June 17, 2022

Good PC parts are expensive as fuck to, those affordable pre-builts are not that great. Good graphics cards are extremely expensive still.

The issues effecting next Gen consoles is the same issue effecting Good PC parts.

Everything's hard to buy right now.

Hawkingbird · June 17, 2022

8 minutes ago, RSG3 said:

Good PC parts are expensive as fuck to, those affordable pre-builts are not that great. Good graphics cards are extremely expensive still.

The issues effecting next Gen consoles is the same issue effecting Good PC parts.

Everything's hard to buy right now.

Thanks to the market crypto market collapsing graphic cards of all levels has been readily available and prices have been dropping like a rock. I've seen some of the AMD cards sell for below MSRP.

What are you defining as a good card? An entry level reference card would be good enough for most people.

Chadouken · June 17, 2022

2 minutes ago, Hawkingbird said:

What are you defining as a good card? An entry level reference card would be good enough for most people.

What can compete with current gen console performance? Do you have to get into the 30XX level? I'm honestly asking because I don't know much about PC gaming. I have a laptop with a 2070 and it runs games better than PS4, but not PS5. It is the mobile version of the 2070 though, and I was told that it's not as powerful as one you would get in a PC tower. Runs hot, too, with limited space for cooling.

RSG3 · June 17, 2022

1 hour ago, Hawkingbird said:

What are you defining as a good card? An entry level reference card would be good enough for most people.

Needs to compete with next gen hardware at a comparable price.

And yea graphics cards have finally, FINALLY come down a bit in price.

Edited June 17, 2022 by RSG3

Abbachio · June 17, 2022

10 hours ago, J-ride said:

I think PC gaming has become more accessible in the last few years but it's still not nearly as accessible as a console especially for couch co op or playing on a TV.

I'll never understand this thinking since all you do is plug the HDMI in and grab 2+ controllers

1 hour ago, Chadouken said:

What can compete with current gen console performance? Do you have to get into the 30XX level? I'm honestly asking because I don't know much about PC gaming. I have a laptop with a 2070 and it runs games better than PS4, but not PS5. It is the mobile version of the 2070 though, and I was told that it's not as powerful as one you would get in a PC tower. Runs hot, too, with limited space for cooling.

I'd imagine a desktop 2070/2070ti and up would be on par and then steadily beat out console GPUs the further up the 30XX line you go BUT we also have to consider that, generally speaking, console are easier to optimise for. I may be also be very wrong though.

RSG3 · June 17, 2022

9 minutes ago, Abbachio said:

I'll never understand this thinking since all you do is plug the HDMI in and grab 2+ controllers

Its funny how every time i try to use 2 controllers on my tower there is always a problem. Every single time have to spend 5 to 10 minutes trouble shooting the software. I have the patience to make it work, but man many of my friends sure as shit don't and get impatient as hell. It was really fun poking around for half an hour trying to figure out why when i plug a PS5 controller into the tower i lose all sound (the Mic on the PS5 controller seems to count as a sound option and your PC will default to it on plug in, you need to set sound back to your prefered option and off the Duel Sense). I dont think consoles will go away anytime soon as the majority of casual players, which is the largest demo market, dont have the patience to dick with their computer just to game. Many of them spend a lot of their time at work on computers and don't want to be on one when they get home. Consoles offer ease of use, braindead set up and maintenance, its too convenient overall to really ever go away imo. Shit a lot of the time these days the product runs worse on PC then it does on console because the product was optimized for a closed enviroment.

I game on both console and PC and i still use my consoles a lot more then my PC because it way less of a hassle. My consoles, even my PS5 are still smaller (Not by much tho honestly) then my tower to, so its still easier to integrate into my living room as a pillar gaming device then a good gaming PC would be.

Those little mini PCs are jumping up in tech pretty fast tho, which is cool to see as ive always thought Towers were needlessly massive and bulky.

Edited June 17, 2022 by RSG3

Abbachio · June 17, 2022

I use xbone controllers or wired controllers/sticks so maybe that's why I haven't had too much hassle.

RSG3 · June 17, 2022

6 minutes ago, Abbachio said:

I use xbone controllers or wired controllers/sticks so maybe that's why I haven't had too much hassle.

I have an Xbone Elite that works with 95% of stuff. The Duel Sense works pretty well with most stuff, but always gotta reset the sound when i plug it in, and thats slightly annoying. I dont have any wired 360 controlers so thats not an option. The DS3 can be used on PCs but you gotta download other programs to see it, some of which will backdoor your system, or start fiddling with drivers which i dont want to do anymore.

That leaves my 8Bitdo SN30 Pro, and that things super hit or miss. Works about half the time, lots of stuff cant see it or synch with it, especially a number of Emulators which is frustrating.

When by myself its not too bad, i just use the Xbone Elite Pad when the SN30 Pro wont work, but when trying to play with more then one person, it can become a hassle.

And heaven forbid we go to a friends house and try to plug controllers into their rig, fuck me dude. Most people ive met know less about their own computers then they should, and im not about to poke around in their system so they can say i broke it later that night after they catch a virus from downloading questionable porn or something.

Edited June 17, 2022 by RSG3

Hawkingbird · June 17, 2022

2 hours ago, Chadouken said:

What can compete with current gen console performance? Do you have to get into the 30XX level? I'm honestly asking because I don't know much about PC gaming. I have a laptop with a 2070 and it runs games better than PS4, but not PS5. It is the mobile version of the 2070 though, and I was told that it's not as powerful as one you would get in a PC tower. Runs hot, too, with limited space for cooling.

If current gen consoles is the benchmark than something that can comfortably play a game at 4K with a steady frame. At minimum that would 3070. That should be strong enough to do 4K and 60 fps.

Crucades · June 26, 2022

On 6/17/2022 at 7:06 AM, Chadouken said:

I dunno, man. Seems like it's still a hell of a lot easier to buy a PC than a PS5.

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Still cant get a PS5 over here, am pretty sure the PS5 is just an ancient aprils fools and people just keep rolling with it.

MillionX · June 26, 2022

ah, another thing where apparently I differ from the rest of the human race--- solitary confinement. This is probably because I'm much more of a weirdo "loner" than anyone else, but if I were in prison, and that was an option (apparently it isn't; a prisoner can't just get that on request), I'd take it every time. Considering what goes on in "general population" on a regular basis... it's strange to me that most people seem to think solitary confinement is worse. I already don't like most people in the first place, so this would be a gift, imo. I'd be just fine sitting in my cell, separated from the other prisoners for an indefinite period of time.

The lack of anything fun to do would be the only real downside for me....imagine if they at least let you have 1 form of entertainment in there, like a small cheap tv to watch, or a radio....or papers and a writing utensil (*I'm sure pens and pencils would not be allowed for obvious reasons) so I could write and draw my own stories. ...or with paper I could get into making little origami characters. You know what one doesn't have to deal with in solitary? Some "Booty Warrior" dude over there checking you out like "...I likes ya...and I wants ya...." Though, since we've been in Loony Land for the past few years with a certain game of "Pretend" being championed and validated, maybe I'd just claim I now identify as a woman (without even being required to get the surgery or treatments) so I could get into the women's prison and be a lesbian over there.

Lantis · July 13, 2022

OK here's my hot take of the day

LOZ BOTW isn't really all that. I wouldn't even rank it as the best Zelda game of all time, much less the best Switch game. I find myself kind of going through the motions everytime I play it and not feeling invested at all. The general lack of direction really hurts it for me. I'm sure everyone gets pretty hyped for the Cooking Simulator but I don't.

Chadouken · July 13, 2022

9 hours ago, Lantis said:

LOZ BOTW isn't really all that. I wouldn't even rank it as the best Zelda game of all time, much less the best Switch game. I find myself kind of going through the motions everytime I play it and not feeling invested at all. The general lack of direction really hurts it for me. I'm sure everyone gets pretty hyped for the Cooking Simulator but I don't.

Super Mario Maker 2, Metroid Dread, and Odyssey are all better Switch games imo. I never even finished BOTW. I got pretty far into it, but lost interest eventually. I liked Link Between Worlds more than BOTW.

OPTIMUS124 · July 14, 2022

On 7/13/2022 at 9:58 AM, Chadouken said:

I never even finished BOTW. I got pretty far into it, but lost interest eventually.

I accidentally finished the game waaaaaaay ahead of schedule. I only did one of the Divine Beasts and got the Master Sword and shield. I was goofing off in the castle and came across the big bad. I walked in assuming there would be some sort of trigger but nope. The cutscene starts, fought all of the blights, Calamity, and Dark Beast in order. I always intended to go back to finishing it properly, but never did.

Edited July 14, 2022 by OPTIMUS124

Darc_Requiem · July 14, 2022

Damn, I hadn't been in this thread in a while. The ludicrous "Steam Deck is challenging the Switch" take has me dying man. They can't even produce them in a reasonable quantity. That nullifies that take before even getting into anything else.