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2 hours ago, TheInfernoman said:

Buying a pre-built always seemed like a lazy halfway move. Having said that, most pre-built give you a graphics card without being unreasonably priced. 

Isnt it the same as buying premade game console?  Its not like you built them consoles yourself.  In any case what does this have to do with consoles possibly going extinct?

2 hours ago, Sonero said:

 

I have a prebuilt with an hella old graphics card by today's standards. Its has more than enough power to do anything I wanna. What it doesn't do is keep up with Game companies pushing graphics hard for shits and giggles and releasing a lot of unoptimized games.

 

That'll always be the convinience of a console. Not having to worry about any of that nonsense. Buy the game, put it in, downloaded 3 patches for 6 hours and they it works.

Have you looked at current pre-built PC's?  They are pretty powerful.  You can also upgrade them.

2 hours ago, Lantis said:

LOL you master racers always crack me up with your "consoles R D3d" ever since the turn of the century

I started to feel that way/think like that around the time the PS4 and XB1 were released.  So not as long as you think.  Its also something I've figured would take a couple/few console cycles to happen.  I dont think its something that will just happen over night.  But it will happen.

 

Also I dont think of myself as one of those master race computer dorks.  I just like games.

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1 hour ago, Hawkingbird said:

I don't see that happening. Getting a PC is more accessible than getting a console. 

For those of us who are techies, it is, but for someone looking to buy a thing, I disagree. A coincidence is I just built a new rig last night 🤣. This is just for work more than anything else.

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2 hours ago, DarkSakul said:

That just the devs being sloppy.


 

Microsoft is already getting to abandon consoles for their "Ecosystem" of games as a service. 
No word what exactly Sony is up too, Nintendo is only going to hold out as long as the gimmick still draws people in.
As Nintendo can no longer keep up with the "lets make console from budget hardware just for games", it worked for the Game Boy, but it stopped working for their consoles for a while. Switch has a fun gimmick people are willing to buy into plus some killer apps at launch, BOTW is what sold the Switch at launch. 

Is it REALLY a Gimmick? Switch seems like a smart way to handle gaming going forward. My Gal likes playing on a dock. I play handheld. no need anymore for 2 separate consoles. Besides if it was a gimmick, Steam Deck wouldn't take a risk on such a thing. 

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5 hours ago, OPTIMUS124 said:

For those of us who are techies, it is, but for someone looking to buy a thing, I disagree. A coincidence is I just built a new rig last night 🤣. This is just for work more than anything else.

It's been two years since the launch of the new consoles and still can't casually go to a store and buy one. There's no struggle in purchasing a PC. The only time that happens is in crypto is on the rise

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yeah one can imagine the sales of Steam Deck being even more crazy if it were available in "regular" stores like Walmart and Target....perhaps add at least 1 commercial aired during key demographic times on television and that might indeed pose a serious threat to Nintendo's dominance on the portable side of things.  I'd agree that it being only available from the Steam site is a major thing holding back what a monster it could be in terms of sales numbers.  I think you also need to already have an account, so that's another limiting factor as well.

 

Also as they randomly come to mind---

  • I don't understand why some pet owners just let their pet run wild all over the neighborhood.  Do they just not care what happens?  I'd be concerned about my dog getting hit by a speeding vehicle, or perhaps some psycho kids finding and torturing it, etc. etc.  I don't have a pet but I wouldn't be cool with letting it roam around too far from home, unsupervised....it just seems crazy to me, like if a parent let their 3 year old wander around outside with no supervision, going however as far as they want.
  • Marshmallows----they're terrible.
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2 hours ago, Hawkingbird said:

It's been two years since the launch of the new consoles and still can't casually go to a store and buy one. There's no struggle in purchasing a PC. The only time that happens is in crypto is on the rise

True, but I'd state that is more of a product of the supply chain (e.g., components to make it, distribution) and resellers than raw consumer demand. To the second point, I don't disagree, but that would be your more high-end GPUs than an entire unit. 

 

  

4 hours ago, DarkSakul said:

Yet their dominance is being challenged by the steam deck. Now only if people didn't have to preorder.

Being challenged is one thing, overtaken is another. 

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Good PC parts are expensive as fuck to, those affordable pre-builts are not that great. Good graphics cards are extremely expensive still. 

 

The issues effecting next Gen consoles is the same issue effecting Good PC parts. 

 

Everything's hard to buy right now. 

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8 minutes ago, RSG3 said:

Good PC parts are expensive as fuck to, those affordable pre-builts are not that great. Good graphics cards are extremely expensive still. 

 

The issues effecting next Gen consoles is the same issue effecting Good PC parts. 

 

Everything's hard to buy right now. 

Thanks to the market crypto market collapsing graphic cards of all levels has been readily available and prices have been dropping like a rock. I've seen some of the AMD cards sell for below MSRP. 

 

What are you defining as a good card? An entry level reference card would be good enough for most people. 

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2 minutes ago, Hawkingbird said:

What are you defining as a good card? An entry level reference card would be good enough for most people. 

What can compete with current gen console performance? Do you have to get into the 30XX level? I'm honestly asking because I don't know much about PC gaming. I have a laptop with a 2070 and it runs games better than PS4, but not PS5. It is the mobile version of the 2070 though, and I was told that it's not as powerful as one you would get in a PC tower. Runs hot, too, with limited space for cooling.

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1 hour ago, Hawkingbird said:

What are you defining as a good card? An entry level reference card would be good enough for most people. 

Needs to compete with next gen hardware at a comparable price.

 

And yea graphics cards have finally, FINALLY come down a bit in price.

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10 hours ago, J-ride said:

I think PC gaming has become more accessible in the last few years but it's still not nearly as accessible as a console especially for couch co op or playing on a TV.  

I'll never understand this thinking since all you do is plug the HDMI in and grab 2+ controllers

 

1 hour ago, Chadouken said:

What can compete with current gen console performance? Do you have to get into the 30XX level? I'm honestly asking because I don't know much about PC gaming. I have a laptop with a 2070 and it runs games better than PS4, but not PS5. It is the mobile version of the 2070 though, and I was told that it's not as powerful as one you would get in a PC tower. Runs hot, too, with limited space for cooling.

I'd imagine a desktop 2070/2070ti and up would be on par and then steadily beat out console GPUs the further up the 30XX line you go BUT we also have to consider that, generally speaking, console are easier to optimise for. I may be also be very wrong though.

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9 minutes ago, Abbachio said:

I'll never understand this thinking since all you do is plug the HDMI in and grab 2+ controllers

Its funny how every time i try to use 2 controllers on my tower there is always a problem. Every single time have to spend 5 to 10 minutes trouble shooting the software. I have the patience to make it work, but man many of my friends sure as shit don't and get impatient as hell. It was really fun poking around for half an hour trying to figure out why when i plug a PS5 controller into the tower i lose all sound (the Mic on the PS5 controller seems to count as a sound option and your PC will default to it on plug in, you need to set sound back to your prefered option and off the Duel Sense). I dont think consoles will go away anytime soon as the majority of casual players, which is the largest demo market, dont have the patience to dick with their computer just to game. Many of them spend a lot of their time at work on computers and don't want to be on one when they get home. Consoles offer ease of use, braindead set up and maintenance, its too convenient overall to really ever go away imo. Shit a lot of the time these days the product runs worse on PC then it does on console because the product was optimized for a closed enviroment.

 

I game on both console and PC and i still use my consoles a lot more then my PC because it way less of a hassle. My consoles, even my PS5 are still smaller (Not by much tho honestly) then my tower to, so its still easier to integrate into my living room as a pillar gaming device then a good gaming PC would be.

 

Those little mini PCs are jumping up in tech pretty fast tho, which is cool to see as ive always thought Towers were needlessly massive and bulky.

 

 

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6 minutes ago, Abbachio said:

I use xbone controllers or wired controllers/sticks so maybe that's why I haven't had too much hassle. 

I have an Xbone Elite that works with 95% of stuff. The Duel Sense works pretty well with most stuff, but always gotta reset the sound when i plug it in, and thats slightly annoying. I dont have any wired 360 controlers so thats not an option. The DS3 can be used on PCs but you gotta download other programs to see it, some of which will backdoor your system, or start fiddling with drivers which i dont want to do anymore.

 

That leaves my 8Bitdo SN30 Pro, and that things super hit or miss. Works about half the time, lots of stuff cant see it or synch with it, especially a number of Emulators which is frustrating.

 

When by myself its not too bad, i just use the Xbone Elite Pad when the SN30 Pro wont work, but when trying to play with more then one person, it can become a hassle.

 

And heaven forbid we go to a friends house and try to plug controllers into their rig, fuck me dude. Most people ive met know less about their own computers then they should, and im not about to poke around in their system so they can say i broke it later that night after they catch a virus from downloading questionable porn or something.

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2 hours ago, Chadouken said:

What can compete with current gen console performance? Do you have to get into the 30XX level? I'm honestly asking because I don't know much about PC gaming. I have a laptop with a 2070 and it runs games better than PS4, but not PS5. It is the mobile version of the 2070 though, and I was told that it's not as powerful as one you would get in a PC tower. Runs hot, too, with limited space for cooling.

If current gen consoles is the benchmark than something that can comfortably play a game at 4K with a steady frame. At minimum that would 3070. That should be strong enough to do 4K and 60 fps.

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ah, another thing where apparently I differ from the rest of the human race--- solitary confinement.  This is probably because I'm much more of a weirdo "loner" than anyone else, but if I were in prison, and that was an option (apparently it isn't; a prisoner can't just get that on request), I'd take it every time.  Considering what goes on in "general population" on a regular basis... it's strange to me that most people seem to think solitary confinement is worse.  I already don't like most people in the first place, so this would be a gift, imo.  I'd be just fine sitting in my cell, separated from the other prisoners for an indefinite period of time. 

 

The lack of anything fun to do would be the only real downside for me....imagine if they at least let you have 1 form of entertainment in there, like a small cheap tv to watch, or a radio....or papers and a writing utensil (*I'm sure pens and pencils would not be allowed for obvious reasons) so I could write and draw my own stories. ...or with paper I could get into making little origami characters.  You know what one doesn't have to deal with in solitary?  Some "Booty Warrior" dude over there checking you out like "...I likes ya...and I wants ya...."  Though, since we've been in Loony Land for the past few years with a certain game of "Pretend" being championed and validated, maybe I'd just claim I now identify as a woman (without even being required to get the surgery or treatments) so I could get into the women's prison and be a lesbian over there.

 

 

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  • 3 weeks later...

OK here's my hot take of the day

 

LOZ BOTW isn't really all that. I wouldn't even rank it as the best Zelda game of all time, much less the best Switch game. I find myself kind of going through the motions everytime I play it and not feeling invested at all. The general lack of direction really hurts it for me. I'm sure everyone gets pretty hyped for the Cooking Simulator but I don't.

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9 hours ago, Lantis said:

LOZ BOTW isn't really all that. I wouldn't even rank it as the best Zelda game of all time, much less the best Switch game. I find myself kind of going through the motions everytime I play it and not feeling invested at all. The general lack of direction really hurts it for me. I'm sure everyone gets pretty hyped for the Cooking Simulator but I don't.

Super Mario Maker 2, Metroid Dread, and Odyssey are all better Switch games imo. I never even finished BOTW. I got pretty far into it, but lost interest eventually. I liked Link Between Worlds more than BOTW.

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On 7/13/2022 at 9:58 AM, Chadouken said:

I never even finished BOTW. I got pretty far into it, but lost interest eventually.

I accidentally finished the game waaaaaaay ahead of schedule. I only did one of the Divine Beasts and got the Master Sword and shield. I was goofing off in the castle and came across the big bad. I walked in assuming there would be some sort of trigger but nope. The cutscene starts, fought all of the blights, Calamity, and Dark Beast in order. I always intended to go back to finishing it properly, but never did. 

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9 hours ago, Chadouken said:

Dating your step siblings is actually ok because you're not really related by blood. Unless both your parents are cousins.

Sir, this is UNpopular and you just described the #1 most popular opinion on PornHub.

 

Also, yeah as long as the step siblings didn't spend their childhoods together it totally isn't a real issue.

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ohhh yeah, some of the best/hottest finds out there on the net have been in that "step-sis" or "step-mom" category.... 

 

While I'm here...

The idea of "dessert" food seems odd and unnecessary to me.  If the meal was good/satisfying; I would not still be hungry for something else right after that....and for it to be a sweet food right after a dinner that's not in that category; that in itself seems like a strange and "wrong" mix to me....like right after some pizza slices, I don't want ice cream or cake to follow that up immediately.  

 

Live action superhero/villain characters should not have their real eyes showing in costume. (**edit---depending on the original design, of course; for some this isn't the case obviously)  It's odd to me that no one else seems to have this opinion, but it always looks "wrong" to me when we're looking at say... Batman in another movie, and you can see the actor's eyes, when in comics and animation it's not usually drawn that way.  It always looks like something's missing... like he forgot to include the protective eye coverings or something of the costume.  In Batman vs. Superman, the scenes where he was in the more armored form of the Batsuit was correct on this issue...and I'd say it showed off how much better the comic-art way of presentation looks regarding that little detail.  I've never seen anyone else bring this shit up and that in itself is a bit annoying.

 

I'm sure part of it is likely related to how important it is to see an actor's eyes for certain aspects of their performance, but to me the comic-art way of not showing the eyes just looks cooler.

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1 hour ago, Darc_Requiem said:

In most cases I know. The "step siblings" were already dating and didn't know their parents were in a relationship. So it creates an awkward situation.

Yeah, when I dated my step sister, it was before our parents hooked up. In fact, that's how they met, and why I broke up with her. I only technically hooked up with her while she was my step sister once, and that was just a breakup hookup when I came home to visit for Christmas after our parents got married. I called her my step girlfriend. She hated that 😂

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1 minute ago, Chadouken said:

Yeah, when I dated my step sister, it was before our parents hooked up. In fact, that's how they met, and why I broke up with her. I only technically hooked up with her while she was my step sister once, and that was just a breakup hookup when I came home to visit for Christmas after our parents got married. I called her my step girlfriend. She hated that 😂

This is the most Chad thing ever  🤣

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Being considered "overused" in the work force database. I would only say this for myself, simply because I was never the type to have a long term attention span for a single type of employment. So, that works in my favor.

 

The reason for being labeled as "overused", is lack of on-going personality and no passion for employment. I've always worked for survival. They get tired after a while varying from termination to resigning before termination and I'm ok with that.

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1 minute ago, DangerousJ said:

I actually like the jellied Cranberry sauce from the can more than fresh/homemade sauce.

 

I usually prefer fresh over canned, but this is the only time I make an exception.

When I was a kid, the options were jellied cranberry sauce from a can, or whole cranberry sauce from a can.  Yeah, the jellied was way better.

 

As a grownup, it's not too hard to make homemade cranberry sauce that's just flat better- but a lot of the recipes for homemade sauce kind of skimp on the flavor, so I can see where you may have been let down.

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  • 3 weeks later...

The more I listen to Castlevania music (which is quite a bit since I DL'ed the box set), the more I realize just how much more I like the older stuff than Michiru Yamane's (still great) contributions.  Most of it is way more rhythmically interesting to my ears, very complex for such short pieces.  Yamane's stuff,  particularly CoD, which I previously considered a high point, is so goddamn repetitive with the drums that I'm having a hard time listening to much of it anymore. Contrast it to Haunted Castle's rhythmic insanity and you'll see what I mean. Those early composers were so much more limited with what they could do that they really pulled the stops out with what was available. 

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On 11/27/2023 at 10:07 AM, Chadouken said:

Yeah, when I dated my step sister, it was before our parents hooked up. In fact, that's how they met, and why I broke up with her. I only technically hooked up with her while she was my step sister once, and that was just a breakup hookup when I came home to visit for Christmas after our parents got married. I called her my step girlfriend. She hated that 😂

What the motherfuck?

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On 7/14/2022 at 3:16 PM, Darc_Requiem said:

Damn, I hadn't been in this thread in a while. The ludicrous "Steam Deck is challenging the Switch" take has me dying man. They can't even produce them in a reasonable quantity. That nullifies that take before even getting into anything else.

Has your opinion changed recently? It has to have. If not, why?

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1 hour ago, Dayaan said:

Has your opinion changed recently? It has to have. If not, why?

No. Why would it? Nothings changed. Despite being in it's 8th year and soon to be replaced the Switch crushes the Steam Deck in sales. The Steam Deck is a niche product.  Moreover games aren't built specifically for the Deck. They are by in large Windows based PC games. Steam Deck runs them through a translation layer and game requirements go up over time, not down. Despite being the newer platform, the Steam Deck is facing the same problems as much older Switch. It's getting harder and harder to run games for it. The Steam Deck was more of a threat to Gaming Laptops if anything and it's gotten it's own, actual competitors from Asus, Ayaneo, Lenovo, MSI, Zotac, etc. to deal with.

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2 minutes ago, Darc_Requiem said:

Despite being in it's 8th year and soon to be replaced the Switch crushes the Steam Deck in sales.

Maybe it "challenging" the Switch is a bad way to put it to begin with. I don't consider it a competitor, but another product that solves the problem of not being able to play PC games on the go in a comfortable way.

 

3 minutes ago, Darc_Requiem said:

The Steam Deck is a niche product.

Yeah.

 

3 minutes ago, Darc_Requiem said:

Moreover games aren't built specifically for the Deck.

That's not true! A lot of games are built with handheld PCs in mind, and...

 

3 minutes ago, Darc_Requiem said:

They are by in large Windows based PC games. Steam Deck runs them through a translation layer and game requirements go up over time, not down.

While games are made with Windows in mind primarily, the Proton translation is excellent, and I lose about a frame or two on average over the course of a minute against Windows PCs of the same hardware capabilities. The game requirements going up is just a problem that all PCs face, but whereas desktops can be upgraded, the Deck just faces the same issues that a gaming laptop does, as you've said here:

5 minutes ago, Darc_Requiem said:

The Steam Deck was more of a threat to Gaming Laptops if anything

 

6 minutes ago, Darc_Requiem said:

It's getting harder and harder to run games for it.

I have a high end PC and this is true even for really powerful hardware. I feel as though as long as games can be run reliably at 60fps on medium, and even low settings, the Deck is perfectly fine. It's also more than capable of emulating, even Switch emulation is near perfect. Game requirement are going up way faster than they used to in general, and I honestly blame executives for that. Some studios, like Id, work extremely hard to optimize their games so that they work on hardware that other Triple A games never run on. I know this because I have experience with this on bad systems, the Deck, on high end systems and mid-range systems. I think that, all things considered, handheld PCs are in a great place and it's because of this:

8 minutes ago, Darc_Requiem said:

actual competitors from Asus, Ayaneo, Lenovo, MSI, Zotac, etc. to deal with.

While most of these competitive offers are straight ass, it's largely because of Windows bloatware. I imagine a world where the hardware and expertise of MSI, Asus and Lenovo partner with Valve for SteamOS. The Deck's advantage is not in its hardware but in its incredibly robust OS.

 

And still despite that, I wouldn't consider it a competitor to the Switch, despite how I approached the OP in response to you. I had a moment of reflection after you responded.

 

For what it's worth, if I had to choose between owning my Switch or Deck alone, I'd choose the Deck, because I can still play Switch games, and better. Also, I think the biggest reasons the sales are lower are because of the higher cost of the Deck, along with the relative complexity that comes with owning a PC compared to a console, no matter how they market it.

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3 hours ago, Dayaan said:

That's not true! A lot of games are built with handheld PCs in mind, and...

No they aren't. SteamOS is Linux based. There are a few native Linux ports of games. However those are for the Linux platform in general. They are not Steam Deck specific and are the exception not the rule. Steam Deck verified games aren't built with the Steam Deck in mind. They are games that a verified to run on Steam Deck. At best, they'll have "Steam Deck" setting which just pushes the games settings down to a level that will get the game to run at least 30fps. Like the Switch, a lot of games are sub HD in resolution. The main difference is the Steam Deck has access to better upscaling technologies (DLSS/XESS/FSR)  and the small screen helps mask the fact that all upscalers (even DLSS) are bad when scaling up to 1080p or lower. The Deck has an 800p screen.

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10 hours ago, Darc_Requiem said:

SteamOS is Linux based. There are a few native Linux ports of games. However those are for the Linux platform in general. They are not Steam Deck specific and are the exception not the rule.

I said they're built with handheld PCs in mind, not that they're made for Linux. A lot of games are built for handheld PCs, and a lot of games receive stability and sometimes performance updates post-launch so that they can run on handheld PCs like the Deck or the Windows alternatives. With games getting continuous stability updates and performance optimization for these consoles, you can't say that these games aren't being designed with handheld PCs in mind.

 

10 hours ago, Darc_Requiem said:

Steam Deck verified games aren't built with the Steam Deck in mind. They are games that a verified to run on Steam Deck.

I never said they were.

 

10 hours ago, Darc_Requiem said:

At best, they'll have "Steam Deck" setting which just pushes the games settings down to a level that will get the game to run at least 30fps.

I've never seen that, but that's pretty cool. Still, I'd rather take the framerate and drop the settings further, and usually this means 720p content at a minimum anyway. I'm not sure if you still consider 720p to be HD since Google is trying to make it seem that HD starts at 1080p, but since the Switch only goes up to 720p itself, I don't think they're worth comparing, especially since the Deck and others like it run bigger and more challenging games. By the way, I'm not saying that you're implying that the 720p of the Switch is somehow better than the 720p of the Deck. I'm just saying that if they both have to run sub-HD, even below 720p, then that it's more impressive on the Deck than the Switch given the games it plays and the fact that it can emulate the Switch itself to yield better performance than the native console itself.

 

10 hours ago, Darc_Requiem said:

The main difference is the Steam Deck has access to better upscaling technologies (DLSS/XESS/FSR)  and the small screen helps mask the fact that all upscalers (even DLSS) are bad when scaling up to 1080p or lower. The Deck has an 800p screen.

Ah I dislike scaling anyway. I'd never use that as a point in my favor on principle but it does yield impressive results sometimes. Like you said though, the screen is too small for it to matter realistically, and it's cheating there anyway.

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