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Thoth369 Level 1

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Drugs can drive you crazy, man, and when you are free to access them, well, there will likely be more crazy people. That's mainly going to apply to people who lack self control and have mental problems. Drugs can cause problems, too.  I understand that some of these drugs can raise your Consciousness and that can be a good thing. Raising your Consciousness with drugs can be addicting. 

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Reticently Level 16

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11 minutes ago, Volt said:

Wait, ALL drugs!?

 

I can't be the only one that thinks that this is a horrible idea, right?

A nuance that's being missed is that it only decriminalizes possession for personal use.  Selling it is still illegal, having enough on hand to sell is illegal, all the stuff that goes with selling it is still illegal.

 

They're basically decriminalizing addiction, which is better thought of as a health problem anyway.

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Darc_Requiem Level 19

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9 minutes ago, scorp said:

The fact that it’s so close confirms the Homer meme. 

I agree. And its ridiculously close. We'll see how it'll ultimately ends up but the way things are trending. Biden is going to hit 270 exactly and Trump is going to get 268. Last night Trump was winning Michigan and Wisconsin but now it trended the other way. Those states could still go either way though. I don't see Trump losing Pennsylvania. He's still up by 10 points there. NC and GA (WTF btw) are toss ups but Trump has the edge 

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Sonero Level 17

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7 minutes ago, Reticently said:

They're basically decriminalizing addiction, which is better thought of as a health problem anyway.

 

Glenn Beck just talking about it. Obviously this part of it flew right over his head.

 

Louisiana passed an amendment saying there is no constitutional right to abortion.

 

You know for a libertarian who made a cameo in the Atlas Shrugged movies, he is hilariously mad at personal choices people make. He kinda made fun of the trans broad who won a congressional seat. How can you be a libertarian and be mad at what people do with the freedom they have already?

 

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scorp Level 12

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Glenn Beck just talking about it. Obviously this part of it flew right over his head.

 

Louisiana passed an amendment saying there is no constitutional right to abortion.

 

You know for a libertarian who made a cameo in the Atlas Shrugged movies, he is hilariously mad at personal choices people make. He kinda made fun of the trans broad who won a congressional seat. How can you be a libertarian and be mad at what people do with the freedom they have already?

 

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Guess he's a LINO.

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Volt Level 15

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16 minutes ago, Reticently said:

A nuance that's being missed is that it only decriminalizes possession for personal use.  Selling it is still illegal

Yes, because that makes perfect sense. You're buying stuff illegally, but you know what? Personal use. It's all good.

 

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I agree with addiction needing to be seen as a health issue though.

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Thoth369 Level 1

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7 minutes ago, Sonero said:

Or...you know...you're forcing a sensitive organ like the brain is, one which runs your entire body, and damaging it with dangerous chemicals which leads to physical damage. This physical damage in turn leads to cognitive issues since the brain literally controls everything.

Yes, you don't want to force enlightenment. That's usually not a good thing.

 

The brain controls the body, but the heart controls the brain. I'm just putting that out there.  

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Sonero Level 17

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2 minutes ago, Volt said:

Yes, because that makes perfect sense. You're buying stuff illegally, but you know what? Personal use. It's all good.

 

Well, you're addicted. Alcoholics can get helped without catching a charge for being alcoholics. In this situation if you catch an addict, you don't throw them in jail just because they use drugs.

 

So lets say you have a heroin addiction. If a cop catches you, they'll arrest you for being addicted to a substance and having possession of it for the addiction. So not only do you have a health issue, you also now have to deal with the criminal charges.

 

If you decriminalize possession, you're basically ignoring a  whole swaths of people doing recreational stuff without harming anybody. You aren't wasting the court's time on weedheads and cokebores. But people down in the dumps aren't having their life penalized extra hard for being down in the dumps.

 

What you focus is on getting these people out of addiction and rehabbing. The other way is just penalizing people extra hard for making a mistake.

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Volt Level 15

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6 minutes ago, Hawkingbird said:

My mom is watching her morning shows and their was a discussion about how disappointed the hosts are about how majority of Florida's Latin population (Cuban Americans and Puerto Ricans) voted for Trump. Praying on their fear of Democrats turning the country into a communist state worked on the Cubans.

To be fair, considering they literally ran for their lives away from a leftist dictatorship, that's not surprising.

 

1 minute ago, Sonero said:

What you focus is on getting these people out of addiction and rehabbing.

Yet the signal this gives is: "People can get lit in Oregon without being arrested."

 

That's kinda counter-productive if you ask me. Addicts need help, sure, medical help. A pass to carry drugs may stave off the legal problems that would prevent them from turning their life around, but it won't get them any closer to the medical help they need.

 

And this even ain't like weed. Legalized Meth!? Really!? People gonna call that medicinal too?

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Sonero Level 17

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Or just kill every addict and dealer like Duterte.

 

Well Seattle fucked up the other approach for everybody. They had cops stand down on drug charges, but it sort of ended up being that they just stopped prosecuting homeless people for actual crimes they committed. There was a long news report on the situation over there.

 

The other sort of weird catch is that by keeping possession criminalized, you can force people into rehab through plea deals and all that jazz. So then the issue now is how to make those services available and attractive enough.  Getting clean is a really hard process and people stumble constantly through it.

 

But at least you won't be tossing them in jail for X amount of months/years for being human and failing at it.

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Sonero Level 17

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1 minute ago, Volt said:

And this even ain't like weed. Legalized Meth!? Really!? People gonna call that medicinal too?

 

That's not what's going on. It isn't medicinal meth. Somebody finds you, you're a meth addicted person carrying a hit, cops don't just toss you in jail and then go through a criminal trial.

 

Instead somebody finds you, you're carrying meth, they'll probably call cops to help, but they'll assist a counselor.

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Volt Level 15

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3 minutes ago, Sonero said:

The other sort of weird catch is that by keeping possession criminalized, you can force people into rehab through plea deals and all that jazz. So then the issue now is how to make those services available and attractive enough.  Getting clean is a really hard process and people stumble constantly through it.

That would be a pretty good idea tbh.

 

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That's not what's going on. It isn't medicinal meth. Somebody finds you, you're a meth addicted person carrying a hit, cops don't just toss you in jail and then go through a criminal trial.

 

Instead somebody finds you, you're carrying meth, they'll probably call cops to help, but they'll assist a counselor.

I just don't see that working out well at all, but we'll find out in a while.

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AriesWarlock Level 18

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19 minutes ago, Hawkingbird said:

My mom is watching her morning shows and their was a discussion about how disappointed the hosts are about how majority of Florida's Latin population (Cuban Americans and Puerto Ricans) voted for Trump. Praying on their fear of Democrats turning the country into a communist state worked on the Cubans.

 

Really, Biden's plan for Venezuela was not to recognize the interim president Guaido and "help" the current dictatorship? They brought this L on themselves.

All those endorsements from radical socialists didn't help him either: Petro Gustavo from Colombia, Maduro, Ortega from Nicaragua, etc.

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scorp Level 12

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4 minutes ago, Sonero said:

So then the issue now is how to make those services available and attractive enough.

haha I was definitely being facetious about my Duterte comment, I think the dude is a smoothbrain savage with tunnel vision.

 

But the issue is that now you gotta tell taxpayers that their taxes are being used to clean people up... Which I'm sure should be ok in blue states.

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Reticently Level 16

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4 minutes ago, Volt said:

I just don't see that working out well at all, but we'll find out in a while.

We've got plenty of laws on the books criminalizing getting fucked up in public, and those are still around.  It's just that owning a limited amount of the stuff isn't a one way ticket into America's for-profit prison labor system anymore.  In Oregon anyway.

 

Shit, addicts should probably be viewed as the victims of drug sales, not co-conspirators.

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MillionX Level 16

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man, this one dude has been covering the election results for 12 hours straight... I've been to sleep, woke up and ate breakfast and the guy is still on. [John from "Modern Life Dating"]

 

On another note-- just noticed some helicopters flying over...y'know, that shit has always seemed like a death-trap to me... even when I was a little kid I'd see those and think---no way...you couldn't pay me enough to ever be on that nonsense.  When something goes wrong on those, that's like a guaranteed Game Over for you.

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Sonero Level 17

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5 minutes ago, scorp said:

But the issue is that now you gotta tell taxpayers that their taxes are being used to clean people up... Which I'm sure should be ok in blue states.

 

I said this on SRK and it bears repeating: most people dont hate government programd, they just hate bad government programs.

 

Thats why Seattle f-ing it up is a big deal. Switching from criminalizing to an active public health situation takes work. You also have to build trust in people. Seattle cops basically stopped arresting homeless people who commited crimes because of the goofy half assed lefty politics.

 

 

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scorp Level 12

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2 minutes ago, Sonero said:

 

I said this on SRK and it bears repeating: most people dont hate government programd, they just hate bad government programs.

 

Thats why Seattle f-ing it up is a big deal. Switching from criminalizing to an active public health situation takes work. You also have to build trust in people. Seattle cops basically stopped arresting homeless people who commited crimes because of the goofy half assed lefty politics.

 

 

Yea I agree with some of this.

Like Seattle fucking shit up.

 

But I still think conservatives hate any government programs that help addicts.

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Sonero Level 17

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17 minutes ago, AriesWarlock said:

Really, Biden's plan for Venezuela was not to recognize the interim president Guaido and "help" the current dictatorship? They brought this L on themselves.

 Biden did the Libertarian thing and said no to the Neocon Shuffle.

 

Guiado is "interim" because a bunch of rich venezuelans yapped it up woth Americans to try and stage a coup. Yhe whole thing went nowhere snd here we are.

 

People can feel how they want, but US meddling in other governments is the #1 reason why people hate the U.S.  

 

F-- it if Im gonna defend the same type of behavior that lead to the state Puerto Rico finds itself.

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KingTubb Level 11

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1 hour ago, Volt said:

I can't be the only one that thinks that this is a horrible idea, right?

decriminalization is a good move imho. You'll still get in trouble for having it, and you can't legally sell or distribute it, but if you get caught with a small amount (most likely for immediate use) you get hit with a misdemeanor instead of a felony. Keeps people that were just trying to get high out of prison.

 

You usually will either pay a fine and have to go through 24 hours of substance abuse school or whatever  

 

Edit: It ends up working like under age drinking works in the states. No 19 year old kid gets thrown into jail for drinking a beer. Everyone agrees that totally insane. Alcohol is illegal to buy as a minor and illegal to sell to a minor. 

 

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DoctaMario Level 17

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27 minutes ago, Lantis said:

And how did Kanye nail 7K votes in TN? Shit is downright insane....

One word: Memphis

 

13 minutes ago, Reticently said:

"Conservatives" are pretty vocal about hating any govt program they aren't personally benefiting from.

 

 

#NotAllConservatives

Democrats and Republicans all hate the government, but they hate different parts of it. Dems hate the Pentagon, reps hate the state department. And because they can't agree on what parts of it to cut, government automatically wins.

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DoctaMario Level 17

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1 minute ago, scorp said:

Yea, you gotta imagine how many black folk are in jail for YEARS just for having some weed.

You aren't a criminal just because you're an addict or wanna have some fun.

If a presidential candidate got up and said, "If you're a non violent drug offender with no other felonies on your record, you're getting your sentence commuted" they'd win by a landslide 

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AriesWarlock Level 18

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21 minutes ago, Sonero said:

Guiado is "interim" because a bunch of rich venezuelans yapped it up woth Americans to try and stage a coup.

 

Untrue. That's some BS that radical leftists like to say. Guaido is interim because Maduro was "elected" in fraudulent elections  convened  National Constituent Assembly parliament controlled by the regime and not by an electoral body, as mandated by their Constitution. It also states that in legal absence of an elected president, the president of the parliament takes interim role.

 

And latinos what latinos don't want is for US government to go help cement dictatorships. There's a reason why millions are leaving Venezuela, Nicaragua, etc. Biden fucked up there saying he would reestablish cooperations with Maduro.

 

 

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@Volt I get you apprehension to Orgeons drug change but keep in mind we have been doing it the other way for over a 100 years and the drug problem isnt any better. So why keep doing it the old way that's proven not to work and is a huge drain on said tax dollars? Who do you think pays for these guys to go to prison for years and years and see to no beneficial "profit" from the exchange? We, the tax payers are the ones who front that bill so they can go to fucking private prisons where some asshole is making bank off of us by doing shit proven to not work. 

 

Shit gets old man. 

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Volt Level 15

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23 minutes ago, Sonero said:

Guiado is "interim" because a bunch of rich venezuelans yapped it up woth Americans to try and stage a coup. Yhe whole thing went nowhere snd here we are.

 

People can feel how they want, but US meddling in other governments is the #1 reason why people hate the U.S.  

That's not really what happened in Venezuela. Aries explained the technicalities of it, but the fact is that Maduro straight up fixed the election and blocked international overseers.

 

Supporting Maduro is outright a bad move, even if you don't support the opposition.

 

As for that second sentence... yeah, pretty much. Especially on Venezuela's case since even back at the Chavez era, if something went wrong there, the US would get the blame for "running interference" even if they had nothing to do with it, so the best move for the US is really to just stay out of that mess.

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