Street Fighter 6 Lounge: The FGC has a crack problem.

[Sonero]

The saga continues:

 

Shit, the man is tight:

 

 

[Darc_Requiem]

2 hours ago, Sonero said:

The saga continues:

 

 

When I was a teenager, I was one of the SF3 players in my area. It wasn't until later when the internet took off that I realized that I wasn't shit. Just because you can give the local scene that work doesn't mean your good. Your local scene maybe weak. At college I was the best SF3 player in the area because I was one of the few people that actually played game. Literally almost no one played the Second Impact cab and the fact that I actually knew how to play instantly made me the best by default.

 

TLDR; With rare exception, you being good locally doesn't mean much. Not every local scene is NLBC.

Edited January 9, 2023 by Darc_Requiem

[Reticently]

The other side of it is that playing on-location is a whole different mental and physical stack than playing at home in the same environment you practice in.  Even if the online is a 100% match of the offline game.

Edited January 9, 2023 by Reticently

[Sonero]

1 hour ago, Darc_Requiem said:

When I was a teenager, I was one of the SF3 players in my area. It wasn't until later when the internet took off that I realized that I wasn't shit. Just because you can give the local scene that work doesn't mean your good. Your local scene maybe weak. At college I was the best SF3 player in the area because I was one of the few people that actually played game. Literally almost no one played the Second Impact cab and the fact that I actually knew how to play instantly made me the best by default.

 

The issue with the guy is that he gave us a way to measure his ability.  I can get in and out of celestial whenever I want. That's not really a great measurement of me as a player. But its kind of a easy bar to clear. Matter of fact, Strive is designed so that they can easily move you through floors to where the proverbial floor of your abilities matches up best. People complain about how sometimes things are too wide, but the deal is to give you a wide group of people to play that are within a certain range.

 

So this guy is telling the planet "I am at this range in a measuring system where its easy to move up and down". So its like...eh, my guy? In the thing we all use to practice, you are practicing in a place that doesn't have the highest character knowledge and semi stuck on a game that has great netcode.

 

Its really f-ing weird. Yeah sure, online isn't 1 to 1 translation of skill. Doesn't change the fact that you need to develop skills to do well online. Whether I like admitting this to myself or not, I am a lot better than many of the people I talk to online about my character. I'm also playing people who understand fighting my character better than others do. So when I've discussed match up stuff, I've gotten the equivalent of "oh man, Sim's j.lp is hard to anti air with sagat". And its like...the fuck you just told me? If you're playing people who can't DP anti airs semi consistently, I'm not shitting on your playgroup, but we are talking about different skill levels.

 

 

That was a big issue I had in SRK. You came to SRK to get better at FGs. FML if you're telling me that you're in SRK and can't get out of Silver. My body reacts violently because that means I have to help you get better but you may not care at all and then wtf were we doing in SRK with all that?

[-PVL93-]

17 minutes ago, Sonero said:

FML if you're telling me that you're in SRK and can't get out of Silver. My body reacts violently

Nervous sweat

 

Haha yeah hah that is so stupid haha who would do that in their life lol haha

[Sonero]

 

[Sonero]

31 minutes ago, -PVL93- said:

Haha yeah hah that is so stupid haha who would do that in their life lol haha

 

There's like a few bare minimum skills that SRK can teach novice (in perspective to people who take the game seriously) player to improve. so if you were in SRK talking about how you can't get out of silver...Did the site fail you or did the community fail you? Why did you make it to the forums but stagnate as a player? Did we not have a convo to help you at all?

 

Def various factors that would puzzle me in that. Of course, as mentioned before, SF5's netcode is the definition of Your Mileage May Vary so everybody's internet situation is different. I quit altogether because I was trying to take the game semi seriously when the conditions made it impossible to do so.

 

so its just that. Gold is probably the easiest bar to clear because anti airing, blocking and hitting a combo into a meaty situation got you there. If you learned those few things from SRK then you at least picked up certain understanding about FGs. If not then to me, the site fucked up in its most basic function.

[Sonero]

 

 

 

[-PVL93-]

47 minutes ago, Sonero said:

silver...Did the site fail you or did the community fail you? Why did you make it to the forums but stagnate as a player? Did we not have a convo to help you at all?

 

Nah it's more that I just got bored to hell with SFV, don't really care about ranking up in general, but nevertheless joined SRK to talk shit despite consistently sucking dick at fighting games for like 12 years now

[Darc_Requiem]

38 minutes ago, Sonero said:

 

 

 

So basically dude, is saying people need to do something sexual assault victims in the FGC. Gets asked how we should go forward and responds with "not my problem." Unless he's trolling, he seems to be epitomizing the type of person he's complaining about.

[TWINBLADES]

I've been making steady progress with Kolin. My goal was to get to master before SF6 dropped and I've got 6 months to do it. But I ended up reaching a point to where what I needed to learn wasn't as obvious as get meaties down or to make sure you finish that combo. Once you make it to Diamond everything is so situational and because the ranks are super compressed in Diamond you end up running into sweats and evo top 32 players and it gets really fucking frustrating. There's a Cammy player I'm sorta friends with on CFN, recently he broke pass his mental block and went on a tear getting really close to Ultra Diamond after like 3 years of being stuck. He's been a driving force to motivate me to take in what I'm doing in matches more seriously. I also stream snipe allot or run into people like Pilipinoman in rank and he gave me props for being a solid Kolin despite me thinking I'm shit. For the last 3 years now I've been stuck between 19000 LP and 20100 LP. Maybe getting higher by a few hundred points or lower by a few hundred. But recently I've been pushing past my old knowledge checks and maintaining  a more consistent play style. I really believe I can do this. I just gotta focus my efforts. 

 

Also if anyone here mains Nash hardcore and is west coast I would love to play you. That MU is cancer for Kolin I feel. I need help. This one UGM Nash has my fucking number lol

[Reticently]

As a pretty average player, I didn't find it hard to advance within Silver.  I just didn't want to commit to playing ranked enough to get to Gold+.

 

Ranked is just an invitation to get frustrated with the game if you're in an environment where you can't control your distractions, and casual is right there getting you games at about the same rate.

[Shakunetsu]

4 hours ago, Darc_Requiem said:

When I was a teenager, I was one of the SF3 players in my area. It wasn't until later when the internet took off that I realized that I wasn't shit. Just because you can give the local scene that work doesn't mean your good. Your local scene maybe weak. At college I was the best SF3 player in the area because I was one of the few people that actually played game. Literally almost no one played the Second Impact cab and the fact that I actually knew how to play instantly made me the best by default.

 

TLDR; With rare exception, you being good locally doesn't mean much. Not every local scene is NLBC.

I had the same feeling too in Marvel vs Street Fighter, It was the only Capcom arcade machine in the VHS rental shop near my college while others were KOF cabs, it was also the least popular and played here compare to XVS and MVC1.

 

Until I saw some crazy stuff in a different city when I started working.

 

 

[AriesWarlock]

 

[Shakunetsu]

 

[TWINBLADES]

1 hour ago, Reticently said:

As a pretty average player, I didn't find it hard to advance within Silver.  I just didn't want to commit to playing ranked enough to get to Gold+.

 

Ranked is just an invitation to get frustrated with the game if you're in an environment where you can't control your distractions, and casual is right there getting you games at about the same rate.

It took me maybe 3 months during the first year of SF to get to Silver. I wish I had my old replays because I would love to see just how far I've come. I basically stagnated with Cammy in Ultra Gold for a really long time and it was pissing me off. So that's why I switched characters. I trained with Kolin for a while  and when I made a new account I blitzed through Rookie to Ultra Platinum in like 5 days. Once I made it to Diamond was when the real SF kicked in. I think it's easily the hardest rank to stay good in.

 

Edit: AAAAAAAAYE YOOOOOOOOO LETS GO

 

Oh shit I wonder what rank this guy is now....

Edited January 9, 2023 by TWINBLADES

[Darc_Requiem]

1 hour ago, Shakunetsu said:

I had the same feeling too in Marvel vs Street Fighter, It was the only Capcom arcade machine in the VHS rental shop near my college while others were KOF cabs, it was also the least popular and played here compare to XVS and MVC1.

 

Until I saw some crazy stuff in a different city when I started working.

 

 

Yeah I was 3rd best player in my Arcade at SF3, best at college for the reasons I listed. It's the funny though. The guy that worked at the arcade was an okay player at first. After working there for a few months, he was bodying all of us. He was a cool dude though. If he was playing a game for free and beat you. He gave you a free credit. If he was off the clock though and was spending cash, your wallet was gonna learn today. Man, I remember the sets all of us would run. Good times man. 

[HeavensCloud]

1 hour ago, TWINBLADES said:

Also if anyone here mains Nash hardcore and is west coast I would love to play you. That MU is cancer for Kolin I feel. I need help. This one UGM Nash has my fucking number lol

Is it that gavthethanos guy?  I'm terrible against Nash too with either Karin or Cody.  I can see why he's not a great character but in an online environment I feel like it's so hard to react to all his nonsense - and he's got a ton of it.  

[BornWinner]

The long con

 

 

Edit: Okay it goes into the full video instead of the clip for some reason. It just talks about how Phoenix Wright doesn’t have an unblockable with his level 1 because air Objection isn’t an overhead.

Edited January 9, 2023 by BornWinner

[Volt]

3 hours ago, Sonero said:

That was a big issue I had in SRK. You came to SRK to get better at FGs. FML if you're telling me that you're in SRK and can't get out of Silver.

It really be like that sometimes.

[Chun-Li_Forever]

 

[Shakunetsu]

14 minutes ago, Chun-Li_Forever said:

 

 

Game Play Modes?

 

[TWINBLADES]

44 minutes ago, HeavensCloud said:

Is it that gavthethanos guy?  I'm terrible against Nash too with either Karin or Cody.  I can see why he's not a great character but in an online environment I feel like it's so hard to react to all his nonsense - and he's got a ton of it.  

No it’s a Nash players called slurpps_n_stuff or something like that. He’s insanely good. 
 

Also looking at that first Cammy video and god damn have I gotten better. The throw tech into sweep was the meta back then. Punishing the overhead with cr.MP but because I had no confirms I just turn my brain off and do dive kick and when that fail I just jump back lol

 

Main I wonder what my reaction would have been if someone from the future showed me playing the game at the level I play now back then lmao! 

Edited January 9, 2023 by TWINBLADES

[Shakunetsu]

 

[TWINBLADES]

Can everyone give their reason for why they stopped playing V? I used to have all you guys and other people in my list of favorites but almost no of them were ever online. Made it seem like the game was dead. 

[Pair of Rooks]

1 hour ago, Chun-Li_Forever said:

 

The death of SFV. 

[Darc_Requiem]

3 hours ago, TWINBLADES said:

Also if anyone here mains Nash hardcore and is west coast I would love to play you. That MU is cancer for Kolin I feel. I need help. This one UGM Nash has my fucking number lol

@Vhozite Do you still play? I can't remember where you are located. Twin needs your help.

 

 

[Sonero]

13 minutes ago, TWINBLADES said:

Can everyone give their reason for why they stopped playing V? I used to have all you guys and other people in my list of favorites but almost no of them were ever online. Made it seem like the game was dead. 

 

They "fixed" the netcode and then I was stuck with the same set of laggy players.

 

OTOH on Strive I'm playing people in the Dominican Republic with little issue.

[TWINBLADES]

18 minutes ago, Sonero said:

 

They "fixed" the netcode and then I was stuck with the same set of laggy players.

 

OTOH on Strive I'm playing people in the Dominican Republic with little issue.

skill issue 

[Sonero]

Skill issue on Capcom's side not being able to put together a netcode.

[HeavensCloud]

2 hours ago, TWINBLADES said:

No it’s a Nash players called slurpps_n_stuff or something like that. He’s insanely good. 
 

Also looking at that first Cammy video and god damn have I gotten better. The throw tech into sweep was the meta back then. Punishing the overhead with cr.MP but because I had no confirms I just turn my brain off and do dive kick and when that fail I just jump back lol

 

Main I wonder what my reaction would have been if someone from the future showed me playing the game at the level I play now back then lmao! 

Yeah, you don't notice how much you improve, have to go back and dig up old videos.  I think we kind of take it for granted sometimes.  Sajam looked through his old stuff when he just started playing +R and was laughing at how bad he was at the beginning.  Now he's legit good.  

[Volt]

1 hour ago, TWINBLADES said:

Can everyone give their reason for why they stopped playing V? I used to have all you guys and other people in my list of favorites but almost no of them were ever online. Made it seem like the game was dead. 

Netcode.

 

Also, midrange feels generally ass to play in this game. It was a pretty stressful experience outside of lobbies, but again, since the netcode was so ass, that usually meant I was drawing the short end of the stick.

[TWINBLADES]

Man feels like my games are usually good. I guess being American has it's payoffs

[Hawkingbird]

4 hours ago, TWINBLADES said:

Can everyone give their reason for why they stopped playing V? I used to have all you guys and other people in my list of favorites but almost no of them were ever online. Made it seem like the game was dead. 

Alex became shit after season 1 and didn't become decent again until season 4. 

[Jocelot]

Ngl it's the netcode. So many recent games actually put effort into the netcode including the SF6 beta. I actually tried playing SF5 again but it just made me annoyed.

[Phantom_Miria]

 

[Yiceman]

9 hours ago, TWINBLADES said:

Can everyone give their reason for why they stopped playing V? I used to have all you guys and other people in my list of favorites but almost no of them were ever online. Made it seem like the game was dead. 

I still play maybe every other weekend or so with friends. Playing vs strangers has always left me unreasonably stressed so I quit ranked hard once I hit gold and got the trophy for the PlayStation platinum. I still enjoy it a lot, especially with Rose in her current state, and I'd be down to play folks here. I've never had the connection issues I see some people rage about so often, excluding the occasional Mexican Ken player you run into.

[Shahenzan]

9 hours ago, TWINBLADES said:

Can everyone give their reason for why they stopped playing V? I used to have all you guys and other people in my list of favorites but almost no of them were ever online. Made it seem like the game was dead. 

netcode kept getting worse
never fixed some of the things i didnt like about the game (constant sense that everything was stubbier than it should be)

realized just how conceptually wack vtrigger/the entire vsystem is

 

and most importantly they kept nerfing ibuki smh

[HeavensCloud]

The SFV netcode is weird for me. I have to stick to ranked/casual - battle lounge connections are usually terrible. I can't even play my friend who I used to fight all the time in SF4 endless mode.  And that was with crap delay netcode. 

[Shakunetsu]

 

[Sonero]

5 hours ago, HeavensCloud said:

And that was with crap delay netcode. 

 

Dude, the rolled out the netcode "Fix" and it made it so the connection that was previously good with a guy in my city went to shit. During launch, if I played crossplay with one of the guys in the city and the guy mashed, the connection would go to shit.

 

But all it told me was that the guy was a flaming idiot because even though I told him multiple times to stop doing that because the connection magically kept going to shit whenever he did it, he kept doing it.

 

On the plus side though, that guy never crouched block midscreen. So you could literally dash up and cr.mk xx anything completely blind and it was guaranteed to hit. 😂

[Hawkingbird]

12 hours ago, Phantom_Miria said:

 

I love how filthy Injustice 1 is. It has more bullshit than MK9 and most of it made it a more fun game. I definitely used that dumpster tech with Nightwing lol. Grundy is one of the most fun grappler designs of any fighting game. It sucked he didn't come back for Injustice 2

[Phantom_Miria]

19 hours ago, TWINBLADES said:

Can everyone give their reason for why they stopped playing V? I used to have all you guys and other people in my list of favorites but almost no of them were ever online. Made it seem like the game was dead. 

I quit around when I got to Super Diamond in late 2019 because the online environment was so stressful and I was honestly surprised I ever got that far in ranked. Still can't believe that switching to Falke when she came out in Season 3, at her shittiest form, was what took me from Ultra Gold to Diamond and skipping all of Platinum almost immediately, then all the way to Super Diamond.

 

I recently tried to get back to V with the hype for VI and I immediately lost around 2000 points.

[Phantom_Miria]

3 hours ago, Shakunetsu said:

 

 

Ah, quite an impressive job on the shading, to say nothing about the coloring and the uses of prospective. An interesting piece for sure. Always been a fan of Leona.

[Darc_Requiem]

20 hours ago, TWINBLADES said:

Can everyone give their reason for why they stopped playing V? I used to have all you guys and other people in my list of favorites but almost no of them were ever online. Made it seem like the game was dead. 

Honestly, I haven't really played any fighting games lately. I've been on an RPG kick. I finish one and another drops. The games like Tactics Ogre are fucking time seek. Fuck the Palace of the Dead. It's not hard just absurdly long. I'm only floor 67. I thought it was 100 floors put apparently it opens up more after you beat the boss on that floor.  I've been basically doing a half dozen floors every day for the past week and half. Once you enter, you can't leave or you have to start from scratch. I haven't even scratched the surface of the San Bronsa ruins. If I pick up Fire Emblem....the cycle will begin again. Maybe, I should start playing fighting games again.

Edited January 10, 2023 by Darc_Requiem

[Daemos]

 

[BornWinner]

21 hours ago, TWINBLADES said:

Can everyone give their reason for why they stopped playing V? I used to have all you guys and other people in my list of favorites but almost no of them were ever online. Made it seem like the game was dead. 

I got up to Super Diamond during season 4 and that just made the online unfun for me. I tried learning new characters but I was still fighting Diamond and up players in Casual mode because it shared points with Ranked mode for some reason. So I never did get that second wind of fun again just being beat down trying to use a new character. And then I just stopped playing all together. 

[TWINBLADES]

God damn every one of you is fucking weak! SRK died for this wtf!?

 

L @BornWinner

L @Sonero

L @Darc_Requiem

L @Phantom_Miria

L @Hawkingbird

L @Volt

L @Shahenzan

L @Jocelot

 

I'm literally the last Capcom solider unironically. When I make it to master I'm lording it over all you quitters.

 

MUH NETCODE MUH RANK MUH REAL FOOOTSIES 

 

I better not catch one of you niggas playing SF6. If I so much as see a steam tab open I'm circling the block in this bich

 

[Vhozite]

23 hours ago, TWINBLADES said:

Can everyone give their reason for why they stopped playing V? I used to have all you guys and other people in my list of favorites but almost no of them were ever online. Made it seem like the game was dead. 

Same thing that happened with SF4: I had my fun with the game and now I’m 100% done with it. Respect to everyone’s opinions, but I haven’t liked SFV since 2017/Season 2.  I appreciate the game for what it is but there is stuff in the game I hate so much that I probably will never play it again. The only reasons I played it as long as I did is because I enjoy hanging with people here. 

 

Speaking of, @Darc_RequiemI can’t help Twin. Me and him don’t have a great connection (I’m east coast) and UGM is way above my level lol. I haven’t played SFV in at least a year and I’m pretty sure I’ve had it uninstalled since before Luke dropped. 
 

Edit: Also realistically I don’t game as much period. Where I was in 2016 vs today I have way less free time. If I’m gaming at all it’s probably on Warzone with my friends. 

Edited January 10, 2023 by Vhozite

[Darc_Requiem]

@TWINBLADES You know we can't play. We tried. Netcode doesn't hold fam. Which was weird because when you, Jerom, Hawkingbird, and I ran sets in a lounge early on it was fine. Overall, the netcode has been fine for me. People close by are solid 99% of the time. Where is gotten worse for me is people further away. @Mattatsuand I had schizophrenic connections as the game progressed. Early on in the game, they were fine. It go to the point were we had better connections in Soul Calibur 6 and Samurai Showdown.

 

Side Note: I will never forget the day you thought i was on a smurf account with my Kolin. 😂