The Street Fighter V Thread

Darc_Requiem · June 1, 2021

2 minutes ago, Mattatsu said:

What are your guys’ button layout on stick for VF?

Something like this:

G P K

x x x

I'm trying to figure that out right now. Your setup is currently what I have. The game's default for a stick wasn't working for me. It was setup like this.

P K x

G x x

I guess they were trying to mimic the arcade set up, but honestly this would be me more arcade cabinet and that doesn't work either IMO. I'll hit the buttons with "no use" with this layout.

x P K

G x X

Emptyeyes · June 1, 2021

2 hours ago, AriesWarlock said:

For whoever is wondering how to do the last evasion tutorial. I don't even understand the utility of it 🤷‍♂️

Sega always strived to make this system more built on an extension of logical situations. It's all about more options on protecting yourself, after an evade particularly, given the recovery time of it, which can leave room for planning through future intuition on your next strategy.

Darc_Requiem · June 2, 2021

I've never used Emo Karate Man in VF before. I hate the way he looks but I like the way he plays.

Edit: Yeah I may rock him for now. Hopped online and went 3-0. I miss VF4 Vanessa. Don't think I have time, talent, or skill to mess with VF5 Vanessa. You are essentially learning two characters with her.

Edited June 2, 2021 by Darc_Requiem

Emptyeyes · June 2, 2021

15 minutes ago, Darc_Requiem said:

I've never used Emo Karate Man in VF before. I hate the way he looks but I like the way he plays.

He's a nice start, but me in particular, I value everyone in this series through the inconceivable nostalgia.

It's all preference at the end, so a main to me was no longer needed, which has been that way for quite sometime. I believe eventually oneself, should they obtain strong fundamentals, then they can learn the rest of what every character has to offer. You become your own main basically. That's the anecdotal evidence of which I've discovered for myself and only for myself.

It preserves that genre for me, which keeps me from discontinuing it again. I couldn't be more satisfied.

Edited June 2, 2021 by Emptyeyes

Illwill88 · June 2, 2021

50 minutes ago, Mattatsu said:

What are your guys’ button layout on stick for VF?

Something like this:

G P K

x x x

I'm doing

KGx

Pxx

Not sure if it'll stay that way but it works for now

Darc_Requiem · June 2, 2021

6 minutes ago, Emptyeyes said:

He's a nice start, but me in particular, I value everyone in this series through the inconceivable nostalgia.

It's all preference at the end, so a main to me was no longer needed, which has been that way for quite sometime. I believe eventually oneself, should they obtain strong fundamentals, than they can learn the rest of what every character has to offer. You become your own main basically. That's the anecdotal evidence of which I've discovered for myself and only for myself.

It preserves that genre for me, which keeps me from discontinuing it again. I couldn't be more satisfied.

Jean and Goh showed up right when I stopped playing a lot of VF. Arcades were dead. I had VF5 for 360, but I didn't snag Final Showdown until it became backward compatible on Xbox One. Of course I let my gold expire....so yeah. No online play.

Illwill88 · June 2, 2021

This is my first time actually playing vf against anyone other than my brother so it's been a learning experience.

Went with taka since I never got to play him since all I had was vanilla vf5.

Read a basic guide and jumped straight online started actually winning ranked up a couple times. Regardless of tier lists I don't think I have what it takes to get too much farther with him.

Ryu..erm I mean Akira and all the other smaller characters seem to give me such a hard time with him.

But it's mainly I have a tough time converting into big damage with him which is his whole thing. So it's probably just me.

Emptyeyes · June 2, 2021

18 minutes ago, Illwill88 said:

This is my first time actually playing vf against anyone other than my brother so it's been a learning experience.

Went with taka since I never got to play him since all I had was vanilla vf5.

Read a basic guide and jumped straight online started actually winning ranked up a couple times. Regardless of tier lists I don't think I have what it takes to get too much farther with him.

Ryu..erm I mean Akira and all the other smaller characters seem to give me such a hard time with him.

But it's mainly I have a tough time converting into big damage with him which is his whole thing. So it's probably just me.

You won't know, until you try. I guess I had the luxury of versing a fair amount of prominent players in the distant past for years from this genre and was just patient in making the losses become less. However, I'm far more relaxed now, having no regard of the outcome, but cherish the moment and progressing therein. The competition in this genre in more recent times is as formidable and ruthless as the days of old. I'm interested in this generation of both old and especially the young lot, since the announcement of this series has resurrected. I'm revisiting the on-going fighting games of today. The irony of it all and the reminisce return of seeing where the chips fall.

I wish you the best on your journey.

Edited June 2, 2021 by Emptyeyes

Sonero · June 2, 2021

1 hour ago, Darc_Requiem said:

My dude. You need help. Seriously. You trying to gin up drama on and old game that people's opinions have been set on for years.

I provided a proper representation of why your opinion on the meter management was unfounded. You're opinion is no the issue so much as the misrepresentation of the gameplay. If games are to be discussed properly, their actual qualities should be represented properly. this is something you have failed to do.

I await your reply as you reconsider the previous explanations of certain SF4 gameplay issues.

Regards,

🎩

🧐

🤏 ☕

AriesWarlock · June 2, 2021

1 hour ago, Mattatsu said:

What are your guys’ button layout on stick for VF?

Something like this:

G P K

x x x

I am playing on a stick and I always have guard on X like with other 3D fighters like Soulcalibur and Dead or Alive (can't remember if I changed buttons)

P K

G

actually like this

Edited June 2, 2021 by AriesWarlock

Mattatsu · June 2, 2021

Thanks guys, I liked the idea Darc mentioned of the following:

x P K

G x x

until I realized I played on Hitbox and kept my thumb on jump/up. Now I just use GPK in a row

Mattatsu · June 2, 2021

This Evasion - 2 tutorial can suck my asshole clean

edit: figured it out. You don’t tech the throw, you just have to try and crouch dash to evade it. The points only accumulate when you block the mid

Edited June 2, 2021 by Mattatsu

DoctaMario · June 2, 2021

1 hour ago, Sonero said:

What are you smoking right now? You haven't brought any receipts other than "your take is bad" if that counts as "receipts" at all, and I never said anything about wakeup supers, Ultras or anything else. This guy, with your no-reading but typing up a wall of text arguing shit nobody said ass. 🙄

Vhozite · June 2, 2021

@Soneroyoure my dude so know it’s with love when I say you’re acting like a real fucking tool right now

HonebamiX · June 2, 2021

13 hours ago, Reticently said:

I think it's less crazy than it might look. While I generally disagree with having an 'S' tier when there are going to be 7 characters in it, they only used 3 letter grades, showing how the strength distribution is pretty compressed right now. (Gotta count the + and - tiers as half steps within an actual tier.)

Then when you look at how they placed the characters themselves, there are only really two clusters going on: S through A, and A- through B-. If you look at which of those two clusters each character ended up in, there's a lot less to nitpick. Maybe I'd swap clusters for Menat and Ibuki (but tbf my main does a lot better against Menat than against Ibuki).

I think everybody knows that tier lists like these are really just guesstimates. But it's hard to get high quality data to do match-up charts that aren't also just based on guesstimates.

I miss when match up charts were more stantard early last in SFIV's lifetime but those take very long to both make and then theorycraft. And a week later a patch just changes things anyway.

Psychoblue · June 2, 2021

I see the topic of Gatekeeping and Friendship is coming up again. I was always told no one would listen to me unless I won, and when I did people spoke to me less. And you know what? That's completely OK. Here's my thoughts.

I know in the past I'd get frustrated at how the way I'd compose myself was met with all of this disdain, but the mistake I kept amking is that I figured because they were also competitors they'd understand the places we gotta go. RobTV told me the other day on one of his workout streams that I shouldn't view a lot of these other players the same way I'd view my peers and rivals when I played organized sports like basketball and soccer. Over the course of the last year I've felt way more secure in who I am as a person and as a competitor than I was five years ago, even after winning stuff at EVO, so now I'm whatever even if I go to Summer Jam and I get the stink-eye from certain people.

Do you, guys. All that matters when you're at these things is a) are you willing to run the set and b) are you willing to give it your all when you do? As long as you can say you did your best, that's all it boils down to.

Vhozite · June 2, 2021

I forget who was talking about it but Gill is definitely wack af for a boss character. Dude looks some impressive at a glance but in gameplay he is so plain.

Mattatsu · June 2, 2021

VF is cool. It does remind me that 3D games really aren’t my jam, but I had fun doing some wacky tipsy shit with the town drunk.

I’ll probably play it from time to time but can’t see me taking it too seriously with strive a week away

Edited June 2, 2021 by Mattatsu

KingTubb · June 2, 2021

2 hours ago, Mattatsu said:

What are your guys’ button layout on stick for VF?

Something like this:

G P K

x x x

Mines

P K (P+K+G)

G X X

i just do the arcade default and add the all buttons macho to make tech rolling and side step dash canceling easier.

also, this game is the shit.

BornWinner · June 2, 2021

Sad to hear, but it’s expected.

Pair of Rooks · June 2, 2021

45 minutes ago, Psychoblue said:

I see the topic of Gatekeeping and Friendship is coming up again. I was always told no one would listen to me unless I won, and when I did people spoke to me less

Glad to see you again PB, I'm always interested in what you've been cookin up in your FG life!

Having said that, wtf are you going on about? I am totally lost.

Edited June 2, 2021 by Pair of Rooks

Psychoblue · June 2, 2021

2 minutes ago, Pair of Rooks said:

Glad to see you again PB, I'm always interested in what you've been cookin up in your FG life!

Having said that, wtf are you going on about? I am totally lost.

Just some reminiscing. Everyone on twitter is talking about how it sucks that no one listens to them unless they're a top player. My response is that you shouldn't be in this to be listened to, you should be in this because you're looking to run the set in whatever game is your fancy. In other words, we should value the fighting game part of the FGC and put less emphasis on the community part of the FGC, moreso to remind people why we're all here in the first place and it's not to re-enact our school clique days.

Leave your problems at the door, we're all here for a mutual love of the game and the competition.

Shakunetsu · June 2, 2021

TWINBLADES · June 2, 2021

Damn they pushed KOF15 all the way to 2022 LMAO!!!!!!

hahahahaaaaaaa

BornWinner · June 2, 2021

VF5 tier list. Old but none of the gameplay changed so it’s still relevant.

It doesn’t seem to matter that much. I’ve seen people tear it up with Lei Fei.

Pair of Rooks · June 2, 2021

1 hour ago, Psychoblue said:

Everyone on twitter is talking about how it sucks that no one listens to them unless they're a top player

Hm. Who is lamenting their not listened to? YouTubers? Random bronze scrubs?

About matchups?

Or about how their main totally isn't bottom tier? 😒

I guess I don't understand what's driving this need. Baseball fans talk stats and which player or team is on the come-up all the time. Do they lament no one listens to them? It's not why we talk. We talk because it's fun and Cammy totally carries.

Edited June 2, 2021 by Pair of Rooks

HeavensCloud · June 2, 2021

2 hours ago, BornWinner said:

Sad to hear, but it’s expected.

Unfortunate. Probably the game I'm most looking forward to - but in the end it's probably for the best. Wondering if the reason for the delay is the netcode, since SNK hasn't really worked with rollback before.

ShockDingo · June 2, 2021

On 5/18/2021 at 10:38 AM, Darc_Requiem said:

@ShockDingo What are your thoughts on the Ramlethal voice actor situation? As far as I know, you are the only VA here and situations like this would actually have a direct effect on the opportunities you'd receive.

Just saw this, been away from the boards for a bit so I missed the tag. It's.....a very complicated issue. From what I believe, Erin wasn't forced out, but she willingly stepped down. I don't know her personally, but some friends do and have worked with her. She's passionate about us black and minority VAs getting a fair shake and has been vocal on twitter about this since before last year.

The issue is as I said complicated. I wont get into the nitty gritty, but in general voice work for black people, east asian, Arabic, Latino, and other minorities is a mixed bag to say the least. Anime is a warzone. Now, I'm a freelancer, I'm not in LA or Texas and repped by a union, though some of my pals are and the voice acting community talks. When it comes to white people, they can get audition sides for any and everything. A lot of times what happens with black people is that you will have white performers be called in for anything. Sometimes you'll get the shot with black actors and actresses, but with anime, you'll hear stories of how black actors are not called in for anything but small cameo roles of black characters or characters that tend to be stereotypes, rather than getting a fair break at even AUDITIONING for main characters.

One of the most recent and infamous examples was Carol in Tuesday. I don't know the full story and my memory is fuzzy on the details, but the Japanese version of the anime actually went out of their way to get Carol to be voiced by a black girl, the creative team searched all over and got their pick. When it came time to be dubbed in English, they didn't bother asking any black actresses to audition. Many who were called in just flat out said they were not comfortable doing this and passed, but the role eventually went to a white va. The sides that went to black actresses was for some side character that's in like one scene.

So this is the problem, you have black and POC VAs being called in for a very small pool of roles to audition for, but sometimes, even with that, you can get tossed aside as a white VA, who can audition for EVERYTHING, comes in and can also get that role.

Everyone loves to say "but what about Kevin Michael Richardson, Cree Summer, or Phil LaMarr?!" They're some greats, I love and respect them, but the reality is they're few and far inbetween. Yes, there are black VAS working today, but they've had to fight and work their asses off at the roulette wheel, in one case, my buddy had to "accidentally" read the wrong audition sides he managed to get a hold of that were for all the white characters and he knocked it out of the park.

The other side of the issue is about flexibility of roles. Now, I don't speak for everyone, but myself and others have basically said, in an ideal world, sure, let people play whoever is best for the role, but that's not the reality we're currently in. Also We absolutely are NOT saying "only let black people be black people" because then that leads to 90% of us never getting work since there' s like 5 characters at a time. What do we want? To be offered the same opportunities as our white peers, let us audition for white heroes like Captain America, Steve Rogers, All Might, Eddie Brock etc to show off our range. Now I've read with my own eyes peeps on twitter saying that we don't get as many offers because we're not as good or some garbage, but that's not it. We're just not offered the same CHANCES to audition in the first place. Pretty hard to prove your worth if you're not getting send audition sides.

I mean my buddy even had a situation where he read for a role, knocked it out of the park, the initial team LOVED his take on the character, but as it went up higher in the chain of command, he oddly got a request for a headshot. We're voice actors, we almost never provide headshots unless we're going to make a con appearance , they were absolutely insistent on him sending his head shot and since he didn't want to, the folks in charge cut him loose despite him absolutely killing it and winning over the local casting team. Then there's cases were pals have been called in to read and then get kind wrangled to just play the thugs and "blacken up" their voices.

There are some stides being made because some brave VAs have spoken up and made some noise.

The long and short of it is that Erin believes that stepping down is giving more black vas a chance because things have been so skewed for a long time. What the public knows is FAR from the whole story. It's slooooowly changing, but it's rough. I'm freelance and for most of my career no one knew what I looked like, so me just auditioning for projects online had me avoid a TON of these hurdles. Sometimes, I'd get the "Oh wow, I didn't know you were black ShockDingo!" and that's it, but I didn't get the in person hurdles.

I hope that provided some perspective on the issue.

GreatDarkHero · June 2, 2021

9 hours ago, Darc_Requiem said:

Fuudo's wife is a model. It really makes that old meme funnier than ever.

@Darc_Requiembruh, this is some straight up anime shit right here.

delete_me · June 2, 2021

Aoi is low tier? Nooo....

Just kidding. No mirror matches + a free excuse when I lose. Jackpot.

HonebamiX · June 2, 2021

6 hours ago, Vhozite said:

I forget who was talking about it but Gill is definitely wack af for a boss character. Dude looks some impressive at a glance but in gameplay he is so plain.

SFV Gill? He is pretty fun to watch but his little brother is cooler. I think Bison is a lot more boring than Gill in SFV maybe because Bison is so straight forward.

Third Strike boss version Gill? His supers are dope and flashy. Resurrection effects plus voice line is hype as fuck the first time. Even more hype when you parry it and beat him down when you learn the game. lol boring af to play.

I think his New Generation stage was awesome. Third Strike stage is dull.

Edited June 2, 2021 by HonebamiX

Mr.Cipher · June 2, 2021

9 hours ago, Doctrine_Dark said:

Most people I know have switched from PS4 to PC for SFV. Curious to see how this'll work out for EVO. I can only imagine them dreading having to make the switch again.

From what I've seen SFV isn't even in this years Evo lineup.

So they should be fine.

Vhozite · June 2, 2021

2 hours ago, HonebamiX said:

SFV Gill? He is pretty fun to watch...

Lol that is the exact thing. Gill flexes hard on Twitter highlights but that’s it his day to day is so dry. I don’t care how fun a character is to watch I care fun they are to use.

G is supposedly the boss of SFV and Capcom snapped with him.

Edited June 2, 2021 by Vhozite

Reticently · June 2, 2021

FWIW, if you go into Arcade Mode, the final boss on the SFIII path is a version of Gil that would be stupid unfair if it was playable in vs modes.

He's got SFIII style Resurrection, and a few other things.

Psychoblue · June 2, 2021

8 hours ago, Pair of Rooks said:

Glad to see you again PB, I'm always interested in what you've been cookin up in your FG life!

Having said that, wtf are you going on about? I am totally lost.

Thank you for asking by the way!

Right now I'm revising, re-writing and even writing from scratch all of the character dialogue and arcade endings for TMNT x Justice League Turbo. It's a huge honor to be finally be able to put my writing skills to good use in a project like this, especially when we have legends like Nona on the team doing their part.

I'm reaching back to TMNT lore I haven't used in almost 30 years as that was the last time anyone saw anything of Archie era Wingnut or War. I'm surprising myself with how much I remember despite how long ago it was, those must have been some of the first comics I ever had.

Mattatsu · June 2, 2021

2 hours ago, Mr.Cipher said:

From what I've seen SFV isn't even in this years Evo lineup.

So they should be fine.

No, it is. I saw it yesterday. It seems like they’re allowing for crossplay between PS and PC for SFV.

Tekken is PC only.

Strive and MK11 is PS4/5 only.

Edited June 2, 2021 by Mattatsu

Mr.Cipher · June 2, 2021

I can't wait for the PS4 player to say they lost because they were at a disadvantage.

The excuses afterwards are always great.

Also Strive is next week. Still feels like an eternity to me.

Psychoblue · June 2, 2021

Just now, Mr.Cipher said:

I can't wait for the PS4 player to say they lost because they were at a disadvantage.

The excuses afterwards are always great.

Also Strive is next week. Still feels like an eternity to me.

I'll get Strive eventually, the shorter combos kind of make me want to play it more lol.

KingTubb · June 2, 2021

For real tho... I was really vibing with VF5US last night. That game is sick

edit: I'll also add that since VF5US is complete and final, it's nice to know that my game isn't going to have some crazy balance patch in 3 months that kneecaps a character or buffs one to moon.

The stability is nice. And the netcode seems pretty decent

Edited June 2, 2021 by KingTubb

Vhozite · June 2, 2021

45 minutes ago, Reticently said:

FWIW, if you go into Arcade Mode, the final boss on the SFIII path is a version of Gil that would be stupid unfair if it was playable in vs modes.

He's got SFIII style Resurrection, and a few other things.

I have literally never played arcade mode in this game so I wouldn’t know tbh.

Reticently · June 2, 2021

9 minutes ago, Vhozite said:

I have literally never played arcade mode in this game so I wouldn’t know tbh.

You aren't missing anything (well, except for boss version Gill anyway).

delete_me · June 2, 2021

Arcade Mode was just a waste of development resources. Every casual that was crying for two years for Capcom to include it wasn't going to pick it up by then anyway and probably just went on twitter to say "took you long enough, lolz, imma back to fortnite" or something. Actually, remove the "probably", that sounds super accurate.

It's a shame you can't unlock all those cool illustration any other way then going through every route with every possible character.

Shakunetsu · June 2, 2021

10 hours ago, TWINBLADES_SRK said:

Damn they pushed KOF15 all the way to 2022 LMAO!!!!!!

They probably have a major change on content?

Darc_Requiem · June 2, 2021

1 hour ago, delete_me said:

Arcade Mode was just a waste of development resources. Every casual that was crying for two years for Capcom to include it wasn't going to pick it up by then anyway and probably just went on twitter to say "took you long enough, lolz, imma back to fortnite" or something. Actually, remove the "probably", that sounds super accurate.

It's a shame you can't unlock all those cool illustration any other way then going through every route with every possible character.

Yeah I'm pretty sure I can speak for most of the story thread when I say I couldn't disagree more.

Darc_Requiem · June 2, 2021

8 hours ago, GreatDarkHero said:

@Darc_Requiembruh, this is some straight up anime shit right here.

I just find it so damn funny that his wife is in the meme. People had it wrong. He was really disappointed by because he thought he was going to get some alone time with his girl in between sets and her friend was monopolizing her time.

Mr.Cipher · June 2, 2021

11 minutes ago, Darc_Requiem said:

Yeah I'm pretty sure I can speak for most of the story thread when I say I couldn't disagree more.

I found the Arcade Mode was a giant waste of a opportunity.

Instead of clarifing things they just made them even more inconsistent.

But I think we both can agree that the Arcade Mode should have been there in the beginning.

It did little at the time it came out, since the people who did care about such a thing had long since left.

DoctaMario · June 2, 2021

10 hours ago, Pair of Rooks said:

Hm. Who is lamenting their not listened to? YouTubers? Random bronze scrubs?

About matchups?

Or about how their main totally isn't bottom tier? 😒

I guess I don't understand what's driving this need. Baseball fans talk stats and which player or team is on the come-up all the time. Do they lament no one listens to them? It's not why we talk. We talk because it's fun and Cammy totally carries.

No one is entitled to be listened to just because they say something, just like a bum asking you for money isn't entitled to a payout. People need to stop with the entitlement, it makes life a lot easier when you realize you aren't really entitled to much of anything from anyone.